Issue in Iraq - Updated Again!

[Elite]

"Democracy"

 

 

 

Like if any other country have democracy..rofl.

[Barihawk]

I was born in Kuwait, but my parents are from Palestine. They left Palestine after their home was destroyed, moved to Jordan - then Kuwait. Kuwaitis were racist and didnt give us much privilages such as recieving kuwaiti citizenship, so we came to Canada.

 

 

 

I AM NOT KUWAITI!

 

 

 

Its racist if the Kuwaiti's don't give you rights but when Saddam doesn't let his people vote in free elections and kills them because they are Kurds you say he "just has to be tough on them." :roll:

 

 

 

I totally agree. Demorcracy should be a universal concept, and Saddam was a sick man for the things he did.

 

 

 

But without him, the Iraqis are suffering way more than what Saddam did to them.

 

 

 

You cant walk outside expecting to come home and be completly fine in Iraq. It's that dangerous - imagine thinking the next car, restaurant, person or mailbox might blow up the next time you walk by it.

 

 

 

I think it's just sad that the Iraqis were suffering when Saddam was in power, and now they have to suffer a lot more when Saddam was captured.

 

 

 

The United States was pretty messed up for about a decade after we freed ourselves from the rule of King George. American's were so proud of thier newfound freedom that they did not want to follow a central US Government.

 

 

 

All major changes in government take time.

[Kryptic]

I was born in Kuwait, but my parents are from Palestine. They left Palestine after their home was destroyed, moved to Jordan - then Kuwait. Kuwaitis were racist and didnt give us much privilages such as recieving kuwaiti citizenship, so we came to Canada.

 

 

 

I AM NOT KUWAITI!

 

 

 

Its racist if the Kuwaiti's don't give you rights but when Saddam doesn't let his people vote in free elections and kills them because they are Kurds you say he "just has to be tough on them." :roll:

 

 

 

I think it's just sad that the Iraqis were suffering when Saddam was in power, and now they have to suffer a lot more when Saddam was captured.

 

 

 

But surely it has a better chance of ever becoming peaceful with the current plans? As you said, democracy should be a universal concept, so isn't it better to try and implement it now?

 

 

 

Ok, we save the Iraqis from a warlord - but then introduce them to full out war, the strongest over the weak?

 

 

 

I dont think you can implement democracy in Iraq ATM, because to have a demorcracy you need everyone to compromise for the sake of the state, which they are not willing to do.

[MyPurpleCrayon]

"Democracy"

 

 

 

Like if any other country have democracy..rofl.

 

 

 

Learn how to use correct grammar and vocabulary, and then try to argue.

[Barihawk]

 

I dont think you can implement democracy in Iraq ATM, because to have a demorcracy you need everyone to compromise for the sake of the state, which they are not willing to do.

 

 

 

As I stated before, many citizens of the United states did not want to compromise for the sake of the state from 1782-1796. There was much civil unrest and rebellions. Judging a government change after 3 years is really not enough time to declare it a failure.

[WutangFlu]

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[Elite]

"Democracy"

 

 

 

Like if any other country have democracy..rofl.

 

 

 

Learn how to use correct grammar and vocabulary, and then try to argue.

 

 

 

That's the only come back you have when someone kicks your [wagon], good job.

 

I can't argue with a bunch of idiots who have no brain, no knowledge about things, never read a book, never use their [bleep]ing brain and try to understand.

[pianofrieak2]

"Democracy"

 

 

 

Like if any other country have democracy..rofl.

 

 

 

Learn how to use correct grammar and vocabulary, and then try to argue.

 

 

 

That's the only come back you have when someone kicks your wagon, good job.

 

I can't argue with a bunch of idiots who have no brain, no knowledge about things, never read a book, never use their * brain and try to understand.

 

 

 

I agree that comment was kinda...well, lame...but his point is the same. When you argue, you try to convince others to your side. If you look bad doing it, it's not much help.

 

 

 

Besides, what was your point? It seems to me to be "kinda lame" too.

[MyPurpleCrayon]

"Democracy"

 

 

 

Like if any other country have democracy..rofl.

 

 

 

Learn how to use correct grammar and vocabulary, and then try to argue.

 

 

 

That's the only come back you have when someone kicks your wagon, good job.

 

I can't argue with a bunch of idiots who have no brain, no knowledge about things, never read a book, never use their * b

 

 

 

Okay, all I was saying is maybe if you learned how to not use words like "stupidish" then we might actually take you seriously.

 

 

 

But yes, you sure did "kick my wagon".

[Guest GhostRanger]

"Democracy"

 

 

 

Like if any other country have democracy..rofl.

 

 

 

Learn how to use correct grammar and vocabulary, and then try to argue.

 

 

 

That's the only come back you have when someone kicks your wagon, good job.

 

I can't argue with a bunch of idiots who have no brain, no knowledge about things, never read a book, never use their * brain and try to understand.

 

 

 

Elite, I'm sure MyPurpleCrayon would have given you a nice little rebuttle if you had actually provided a stable point instead of just saying "democracy, like anyone as that rofl." Explain to me please how the United States doesn't have a Democracy. Please explain how other countries who have just held elections such as Canada that they don't have democracy. Not only did you have horrible grammar and incoherence, but you didn't even make a point.

[Elite]

"Democracy"

 

 

 

Like if any other country have democracy..rofl.

 

 

 

Learn how to use correct grammar and vocabulary, and then try to argue.

 

 

 

That's the only come back you have when someone kicks your wagon, good job.

 

I can't argue with a bunch of idiots who have no brain, no knowledge about things, never read a book, never use their * brain and try to understand.

 

 

 

Elite, I'm sure MyPurpleCrayon would have given you a nice little rebuttle if you had actually provided a stable point instead of just saying "democracy, like anyone as that rofl." Explain to me please how the United States doesn't have a Democracy. Please explain how other countries who have just held elections such as Canada that they don't have democracy. Not only did you have horrible grammar and incoherence, but you didn't even make a point.

 

 

 

Things happen in the background when you have no idea about things.

[Guest GhostRanger]

"Democracy"

 

 

 

Like if any other country have democracy..rofl.

 

 

 

Learn how to use correct grammar and vocabulary, and then try to argue.

 

 

 

That's the only come back you have when someone kicks your wagon, good job.

 

I can't argue with a bunch of idiots who have no brain, no knowledge about things, never read a book, never use their * brain and try to understand.

 

 

 

Elite, I'm sure MyPurpleCrayon would have given you a nice little rebuttle if you had actually provided a stable point instead of just saying "democracy, like anyone as that rofl." Explain to me please how the United States doesn't have a Democracy. Please explain how other countries who have just held elections such as Canada that they don't have democracy. Not only did you have horrible grammar and incoherence, but you didn't even make a point.

 

 

 

Things happen in the background when you have no idea about things.

 

 

 

Nice response but you failed to answer my question. Here, I'll repeat it for you.

 

 

 

Explain to me please how the United States doesn't have a Democracy. Please explain how other countries who have just held elections such as Canada that they don't have democracy.

[Zerocool11]

Well, I'd say that America's form of democracy is a little off. The main point of democracy is that everyone has a voice in government. America's voter turn out rate is ridiculously low especially compared to other countries.

 

 

 

I'd say that about 30% of the American population actually votes in major elections and even less than that percentage in smaller elections that decide Senators, Congressmen, etc. How can this be called a true democracy? I think in order to truly be considered a democracy, a much higher percentage needs to come out and voice their opinion. I really like what countries like Australia have done where they punish citizens that don't vote. This way no one can complain about the current administration.

[Guest GhostRanger]

Well, I'd say that America's form of democracy is a little off. The main point of democracy is that everyone has a voice in government. America's voter turn out rate is ridiculously low especially compared to other countries.

 

 

 

I'd say that about 30% of the American population actually votes in major elections and even less than that percentage in smaller elections that decide Senators, Congressmen, etc. How can this be called a true democracy? I think in order to truly be considered a democracy, a much higher percentage needs to come out and voice their opinion. I really like what countries like Australia have done where they punish citizens that don't vote. This way no one can complain about the current administration.

 

 

 

Everyone does have a chance to have a voice in government. A strong point of having a democracy is that everyone has the ability to choose whether or not to be involved in politics. Doesn't mean they have to vote...

[Zerocool11]

I don't dispute that America has a democracy. I think that our democracy is one that has a few flaws in it. The biggest one being the fact that people can choose not to have a voice in their government but later complain that our government sucks.

 

 

 

People need to vote, that's the whole basis of democracy. When people don't exercise that right, democracy begins to fail. Yes, democracy is about freedoms, but it also comes with great responsibilities. If a good majority of the people, even more than the approximate 70% that currently don't vote, decided not to vote, our democracy would collapse.

[pianofrieak2]

Yep, you're right. Wickedness prevails when good men do nothing.

 

 

 

However, I would like to clarify:

 

 

 

America has a republic, not a democracy. Democracy means that each person has one vote and the people decide the course of action for every government law. Rather, American people vote, one man = one vote, to elect senators who, in turn, vote for the policy.

[Guest GhostRanger]

Yep, you're right. Wickedness prevails when good men do nothing.

 

 

 

However, I would like to clarify:

 

 

 

America has a republic, not a democracy. Democracy means that each person has one vote and the people decide the course of action for every government law. Rather, American people vote, one man = one vote, to elect senators who, in turn, vote for the policy.

 

 

 

To clarify some more...a Republic is a FORM of Democracy. America's Republic is also based on Constitutionalism and Social Contract theory.

[pianofrieak2]

Yep, you're right. Wickedness prevails when good men do nothing.

 

 

 

However, I would like to clarify:

 

 

 

America has a republic, not a democracy. Democracy means that each person has one vote and the people decide the course of action for every government law. Rather, American people vote, one man = one vote, to elect senators who, in turn, vote for the policy.

 

 

 

To clarify some more...a Republic is a FORM of Democracy. America's Republic is also based on Constitutionalism and Social Contract theory.

 

 

 

Holy cow, you respond quickly.

 

 

 

Yes, you're right on how a republic is a form of democracy and is based on ...

 

 

 

Well I'm just restating what you said. I'm just being off-topic, I apologize.

 

 

 

Have we let this post die yet? I think you've proved your point from the past ten pages. :wink:

[Elite]

"Democracy"

 

 

 

Like if any other country have democracy..rofl.

 

 

 

Learn how to use correct grammar and vocabulary, and then try to argue.

 

 

 

That's the only come back you have when someone kicks your wagon, good job.

 

I can't argue with a bunch of idiots who have no brain, no knowledge about things, never read a book, never use their * brain and try to understand.

 

 

 

Elite, I'm sure MyPurpleCrayon would have given you a nice little rebuttle if you had actually provided a stable point instead of just saying "democracy, like anyone as that rofl." Explain to me please how the United States doesn't have a Democracy. Please explain how other countries who have just held elections such as Canada that they don't have democracy. Not only did you have horrible grammar and incoherence, but you didn't even make a point.

 

 

 

Things happen in the background when you have no idea about things.

 

 

 

Nice response but you failed to answer my question. Here, I'll repeat it for you.

 

 

 

Explain to me please how the United States doesn't have a Democracy. Please explain how other countries who have just held elections such as Canada that they don't have democracy.

 

 

 

Alot of elections are held in public but then again, things happen in the background. They don't give a [cabbage] what people what, they care about their own best. You will understand that some day..but now you are just a kid or playing too much Runescape.

[Guest GhostRanger]

Alot of elections are held in public but then again, things happen in the background. They don't give a cabbage what people what, they care about their own best. You will understand that some day..but now you are just a kid or playing too much Runescape.

 

 

 

1) I'm not a kid, so there goes that point.

 

 

 

2) I don't play Runescape, so there goes that point.

 

 

 

3) Please give me actual information instead of just making baseless assertions about "cabbage (self-censored)" that goes on behind the scenes.

 

 

 

4) Explain to me how they "don't give a cabbage what people what (sic)"

[Elite]

Alot of elections are held in public but then again, things happen in the background. They don't give a cabbage what people what, they care about their own best. You will understand that some day..but now you are just a kid or playing too much Runescape.

 

 

 

1) I'm not a kid, so there goes that point.

 

 

 

2) I don't play Runescape, so there goes that point.

 

 

 

3) Please give me actual information instead of just making baseless assertions about "cabbage (self-censored)" that goes on behind the scenes.

 

 

 

4) Explain to me how they "don't give a cabbage what people what (sic)"

 

 

 

As I said, you still can't think and you are american. You have no idea, just go home..don't believe me if you dont want. someday you will understand..looks like you have been playing to omuch RS or other games and have no idea about life.

[kido14]

Okay, to be honest I didn't want to read 10 pages of posts, so I am sorry if I repeated what has been said already.

 

 

 

This is to the original poster of this thread.

 

 

 

You says Bush is a "Texan goof-ball" correct? I believe Bush went to some ivy league school, like Harvard correct? I'm not 100% sure if my facts are correct or not =s. You can't get into such a prestigious school like Harvard for being a "goof-ball," much less being the president of the United States.

 

 

 

What I can't stand about those of you who criticise Bush for every little thing he does, is that none of you seem to remember he is only human. All humans make mistakes. You all make it sound so easy to be President, yet I bet you haven't bothered to even think how hard it must be.

 

 

 

As for enjoying it when Sadam was in control, if you like being a robot, then I guess that's cool, but I guess America figured not everyone enjoys having no freedom. But I guess if you like that, you are entitled to your own opinion.

[Guest GhostRanger]

Alot of elections are held in public but then again, things happen in the background. They don't give a cabbage what people what, they care about their own best. You will understand that some day..but now you are just a kid or playing too much Runescape.

 

 

 

1) I'm not a kid, so there goes that point.

 

 

 

2) I don't play Runescape, so there goes that point.

 

 

 

3) Please give me actual information instead of just making baseless assertions about "cabbage (self-censored)" that goes on behind the scenes.

 

 

 

4) Explain to me how they "don't give a cabbage what people what (sic)"

 

 

 

As I said, you still can't think and you are american. You have no idea, just go home..don't believe me if you dont want. someday you will understand..looks like you have been playing to omuch RS or other games and have no idea about life.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where you provided us with actual proof. Could you please do that for me instead of make these unsupported accusations? I can say anything I want but it doesn't mean anything without proof. I would produce some facts if I were you instead of just telling me to "go home" and that "games" have caused me to "have no idea about life." (I'd also like you to tell me what games I've recently played...since I can't think of any I've played for years.)

[MyPurpleCrayon]

Alot of elections are held in public but then again, things happen in the background. They don't give a cabbage what people what, they care about their own best. You will understand that some day..but now you are just a kid or playing too much Runescape.

 

 

 

1) I'm not a kid, so there goes that point.

 

 

 

2) I don't play Runescape, so there goes that point.

 

 

 

3) Please give me actual information instead of just making baseless assertions about "cabbage (self-censored)" that goes on behind the scenes.

 

 

 

4) Explain to me how they "don't give a cabbage what people what (sic)"

 

 

 

As I said, you still can't think and you are american. You have no idea, just go home..don't believe me if you dont want. someday you will understand..looks like you have been playing to omuch RS or other games and have no idea about life.

 

 

 

Dude, seriously. Do everyone a favor and quit posting here. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're making baseless assumptions about people you don't know. (Which are wrong by the way).

 

 

 

Omg I know for a fact that 9/11 is a conspiracy. The goverment is lying about everything to you guys!!! I know for a fact that it's all true!!! If you argue with me you are automatically wrong and play Runescape!! If you argue with me I know for a fact that you are a 'kid' and that you play too many games. I use horrible grammar and repeat myself over and over, but I still want people to respect me. I post about lies and then insult people when they point out how wrong I actually am.

[Kryptic]

Okay, to be honest I didn't want to read 10 pages of posts, so I am sorry if I repeated what has been said already.

 

 

 

This is to the original poster of this thread.

 

 

 

You says Bush is a "Texan goof-ball" correct? I believe Bush went to some ivy league school, like Harvard correct? I'm not 100% sure if my facts are correct or not =s. You can't get into such a prestigious school like Harvard for being a "goof-ball," much less being the president of the United States.

 

 

 

He is a Goof-ball. I dont care if he went to Harvard - or if he can count to 10, he is a Goof-ball.

 

 

 

What I can't stand about those of you who criticise Bush for every little thing he does, is that none of you seem to remember he is only human. All humans make mistakes. You all make it sound so easy to be President, yet I bet you haven't bothered to even think how hard it must be.

 

 

 

Making a mistake once is one thing - but making several of the same mistakes is another.

 

 

 

As for enjoying it when Sadam was in control, if you like being a robot, then I guess that's cool, but I guess America figured not everyone enjoys having no freedom. But I guess if you like that, you are entitled to your own opinion.

 

 

 

The Iraqi's under Saddams rule were not robots. For the most part - they were safe from one another - because Saddam was there to stop any fights between the 2 clashing sects of Islam.

 

 

 

Freedom is important - but safety is even more important. How can you have freedoms when you dont even know if you will be able to come home at night.

 

 

 

Alot of elections are held in public but then again, things happen in the background. They don't give a cabbage what people what, they care about their own best. You will understand that some day..but now you are just a kid or playing too much Runescape.

 

 

 

1) I'm not a kid, so there goes that point.

 

 

 

2) I don't play Runescape, so there goes that point.

 

 

 

3) Please give me actual information instead of just making baseless assertions about "cabbage (self-censored)" that goes on behind the scenes.

 

 

 

4) Explain to me how they "don't give a cabbage what people what (sic)"

 

 

 

As I said, you still can't think and you are american. You have no idea, just go home..don't believe me if you dont want. someday you will understand..looks like you have been playing to omuch RS or other games and have no idea about life.

 

 

 

Elite, your tripping on your own words. I dont understand a thing you said - and Im sure no one else can. Your making too many assumptions - based on nothing and I advise you to think 10x before typing.

 

 

 

Remember - 10x