Karma

[RAHK]

While you are correct about the longest lived definition of Karma you must also realize that words change, language develops, views alter etc. If you asked the average person 20 or so years ago what the term "cat" meant you would recieve a much different response now. And the same is true vice versa with the term "dog". Karma's meaning has become altered in general usage due to it becoming a pop phrase in society (see "...Earl" and many other forms of media). When people use the word now they are no longer inferring the interaction of god(s) or another higher power but simply that the act itself is self-fulfilling. You saw a good/bad act so you do your part in rewarding/punishing the samaritan/transgressor in the hopes of a better society. People have now replaced god(s) with themselves in the equation. I am not saying an opinion about it either way but the fact is: the meaning has changed. Karma no longer infers divine intervention in the distribution of justice the word now infers that justice is dispensed by the person at the scene.

 

 

 

I would like to stress that I am not agreeing with the change I am simply stating that a change in the usage of karma has arisen. It is now in pop culture and regardless of your wishes or anybody's it will fade ONLY at it's own speed, you groovy cat. 8)

 

 

 

While contextual differences in words definatly change with the times and I do believe you are very much right in your observation I find myself having to object to it. Karma is an old old belief something that doesnt deserve to be miss-interpreted and could quiet easily be very insulting to someone, albeit I again agree with your synopsis - I and noone else for that matter will be able to change it or influence it in a drastic way it doesnt not however mean I cannot or should not try ;).

 

 

 

Btw when did everyone become such push-overs all of a sudden, whats the matter, do you only fight battles you can win? that take little effort? Stop being so damn boring ;p

 

 

 

The higher the pedestal a notion is given the more people that have a clear shot of it. Noting the decline in it's original meaning only entices those with weapons to take shots. I feel that if you truly feel the way that you say your best course of action is to get this thread locked. Out of sight, out of mind and we all know the attention span of pop culture. Do not worry your word will be back to itself soon enough. Until then you must suffer the bastardization while "modern" man has his way with it.

 

 

 

 

 

I do admit, though, that fighting losing battles is a TON more fun/challenging/interesting than a winning one of course... and for the time being this is definately a losing one that will only right itself once forgotten.

 

 

 

(P.S. How old are you anyway? and what does "(Y)" mean? :oops: )

[Briante]

4 words:

 

My name is Earl.

[The_Avatar]

finally somebody says it im tired of these karma post. yet now were gonna see a bunch of judgemental comparison posts

[frogmite]

While you are correct about the longest lived definition of Karma you must also realize that words change, language develops, views alter etc. If you asked the average person 20 or so years ago what the term "cat" meant you would recieve a much different response now. And the same is true vice versa with the term "dog". Karma's meaning has become altered in general usage due to it becoming a pop phrase in society (see "...Earl" and many other forms of media). When people use the word now they are no longer inferring the interaction of god(s) or another higher power but simply that the act itself is self-fulfilling. You saw a good/bad act so you do your part in rewarding/punishing the samaritan/transgressor in the hopes of a better society. People have now replaced god(s) with themselves in the equation. I am not saying an opinion about it either way but the fact is: the meaning has changed. Karma no longer infers divine intervention in the distribution of justice the word now infers that justice is dispensed by the person at the scene.

 

 

 

I would like to stress that I am not agreeing with the change I am simply stating that a change in the usage of karma has arisen. It is now in pop culture and regardless of your wishes or anybody's it will fade ONLY at it's own speed, you groovy cat. 8)

 

 

 

While contextual differences in words definatly change with the times and I do believe you are very much right in your observation I find myself having to object to it. Karma is an old old belief something that doesnt deserve to be miss-interpreted and could quiet easily be very insulting to someone, albeit I again agree with your synopsis - I and noone else for that matter will be able to change it or influence it in a drastic way it doesnt not however mean I cannot or should not try ;).

 

 

 

Btw when did everyone become such push-overs all of a sudden, whats the matter, do you only fight battles you can win? that take little effort? Stop being so damn boring ;p

 

 

 

The higher the pedestal a notion is given the more people that have a clear shot of it. Noting the decline in it's original meaning only entices those with weapons to take shots. I feel that if you truly feel the way that you say your best course of action is to get this thread locked. Out of sight, out of mind and we all know the attention span of pop culture. Do not worry your word will be back to itself soon enough. Until then you must suffer the bastardization while "modern" man has his way with it.

 

 

 

 

 

I do admit, though, that fighting losing battles is a TON more fun/challenging/interesting than a winning one of course... and for the time being this is definately a losing one that will only right itself once forgotten.

 

 

 

(P.S. How old are you anyway? and what does "(Y)" mean? :oops: )

 

 

 

Your idea intrigues me, I can very much see where your coming from and I think its definatly a case where while people are so defensive; as they will be obviously obliged to be, they wont consider my idea. I do want however for this to be noticed as much as possible first. People want to accuse/insult/flame me im quite indifferent and I more than enjoy the debates however heated they get. I also feel obliged to raise the issue of this uneasiness to as many people as possible something I will do to an extent but not over endulge in albeit will most probably be till I judge myself to have done enough and can go away feeling filled with well-being and many a warm fuzzy feeling - as per human nature.

 

 

 

How old are you anyway? and what does "(Y)" mean?

 

 

 

(Y) is a popular shortcut for a "thumbs up" sign in MSN messenger, I was more humouring myself and those few that might notice it by using one of the few new RS colloqialisms (sp?) that using it for any paticular effect or reason. Im sorry I cant help myself ;p. I am indeed 16.

[uber_n00blet]

Frog, could you kindly speak in english next time? Ty

[malo2]

yup, nothing good out of religion

[Fred_S]

Not Leeters fualt.

 

Its Earl.

[gonzlar]

Hopefully this will shut up all those (may I say it) "karma n00bs". :wink:

 

 

 

+149

 

 

 

These boards need some orgionality unlike the constant barrage of "OMG IM GOT LUCKY AT BARROWS!" or "Another karma thread, be prepared to be bored with my good deeds of the day! Which in fact, turn out to have dire consequential actions to be had apon the evildoer"

[frogmite]

yup, nothing good out of religion

 

 

 

Random religion bashing doesnt make you cool you know :S

[KingofLodis]

Frog, could you kindly speak in english next time? Ty

 

 

 

Noob to the English language? .-. Can't understand what he's saying or something? >_>

 

<_< *shuts up and goes to read the original post . . *

[frogmite]

Frog, could you kindly speak in english next time? Ty

 

 

 

Noob to the English language? .-. Can't understand what he's saying or something? >_>

 

<_< *shuts up and goes to read the original post . . *

 

 

 

He was joking, Uber's a friend.

[Mordendravid]

Frog, I agree with a lot of what you've said, specifically that Karma is something that happens to you rather than something that is self-generated - whether or not anyone wishes to believe that this is through the direct involvement in an online game by their chosen Deity is up to them. Personally, I think even the omnipresent might draw the line at trying to get 99 prayer but hey.

 

 

 

I would argue that on this basis the comments made by RAHK are very true, whether it be through the influence of TV shows or simply evolution of the language, "Karma" is now widely recognised as "Good things happening to those that do good deeds" or "Bad things happening to those that do bad deeds". As you recognised earlier the key word there is "happen" I.e. Me giving someone food/antipoison etc. to prevent them from dying and later getting a dragon drop could be construed as good Karma. Me completing the same good deed and subsequently pk'ing a whip is not Karma, because a) It was initiated by me B) It impacts directly on another individual.

 

 

 

Taking that example a bit further however, had I pk'ed the whip from someone who had recently scammed someone else for that item could again be construed as Karma (of the bad type!) on the person that I pk'ed.

 

 

 

As such, there have been a few examples of "modern day Karma" posted in the various Karma threads. However, what is more frequently described is the "Leester's Karma" as you put it of: do unto others as you would have done unto you (it is unto by the way :wink: )

 

 

 

I actually think that although the multiple threads and exhaustive posts are somewhat frustrating, the vicious, or hopefully virtuous circle that this creates is probably something that the game/community would benefit from. Simply put, if everyone in game were doing good things, the chances of that happening to you would be pretty decent. I don't personally believe that this would be Karma at work, but it wouldn't half make spending time in banks more pleasant :lol:

 

 

 

So with Leester's ever-growing fan club, and the fact that by naming a Karma after him you have temporarily baptised him as a RuneScape Deity I look forward to his iminent clean-up job!! Just kidding :wink:

[Iv_Green_vI]

I'm 22. Can I have candy instead of eccentricities?

thats right lol ur getting quoted

[Heath_at_UK]

There are many different defintions for Karma. The oldest definition comes from Hindu. Karma ties in with reincarnation, in that Hindus believed if you build up alot of good karma in this life, then in the next, you might be reincarnated as a Brahmin or a kshatriya. Brahmins are the only caste of Hindu that are able to be enlighted therefore breaking the endless cycle of deaths and rebirths. They are also the top caste. In this oldest defintion, there was never any good things or bad things that would happen in this lifetime.

 

 

 

There is now also the belief that Karma is applied with the saying what goes around comes around. Which you describe as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". This is called the golden rule and is in most, if not all religous wrtings. From the Old testament, New testament, Koran and many other ancient religous writings. The closest to this defintion is that of Confucianism. In Analects 15.23 : Tsekung asked, "Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life?" Confucius replied, "It is the word shu--reciprocity: Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you." Also the New testament of the bible in Mathew 7.12 : Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. These are just a few.

 

 

 

Many people also belief that Karma is cause and affect. This one has nothing to do with religions, and yet still has a ring of them in it.

 

 

 

There are so many different defintions of Karma that you can't write one down and say that this is the right one. Everybody ahs there own opinion. In my own eyes, I see karma as the Golden rule. therefore if I do soemthing good (or bad) i should therefore expect that soemthing might be done to me in return. But not neceacarily. I try and do only good things and this is what i expect in return. but ti also works vice versa.

 

 

 

Enough of this rambling, i might have went on too long. As for Leeester's post on Karma and all the follwing ones, I look upon these fondly, as something to read. If everyone in the game of runescape believed in karma, then the game WOULD be a better place. As i said there is set in stone definiton of karma, therefore the posters of the karma topic's are neither right nor wrong.

 

 

 

I myself will post my won Karma topic when i see my defintion working in the game. I will also prepare to be flamed on here for posting it, but hey its a free world.

 

 

 

And Leesters i would happily sign up for ClanKarma. Write me down lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yup, nothing good out of religion

 

 

 

As for this, I will just say that this strikes me deeply. How can you say nothing good came outta religion. Everybody on this planet lives by some sort of religion, and there has been plenty good and bad that ahve come out of them, but to just generalize that nothign good ahs come out, all i can say is you are sadly mistaken.[/i]