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No the first whip went for around 53M. There is also no way that Jagex would change drop rates, it just seems like there so many drops because there so many people.

collect me swamp to..frogs :(

3rd age is a LOT harder to get then a whip. like 250 times harder to get. Liiike..No it isn't? Getting 85 slayer is *MUCH* harder than getting lvl 3 clues. When Whips we're released, slayer were. Now, which is harder? Months of slayering or max 1 week of doing clues? Sorry pal. Slayer wins. ^^Bah, Fresh took my words.:( In the time it's taken me to get 82 whip drops I've done every clue drop I got, I've NEVER had a robin hood hat from a clue and third age armour is considerably rarer? Nice calculation there.

When I am there I norm get anywhere from 36k to 42k XP per hour. That's 60 to 66 Abby's per hour. Also Average 1 Whip per 4 hours = Sometimes takes a lot longer sometimes less.. ((Can go 10 hours - 1week no whip)) Hope that helps MM your killing them extremely slowly then (or with guthans alot) 2 a minute is easily possible, more with dharoks; however whats even worse is your attempt at a drop rate, having been speculated at 10XX for a long time now I'd actually say it was somewhat less - around 750 area observing mine and other peoples whips/kills however it seems that even thousands of kills can't get some sort of definitive drop rate ;p as my 1/870 (ish) compares to many others who are verging on 1/500 after both having killed above 70k demons (not sure how much higher I am now, last time I checked I was at about 67K). However regardless your numbers are very very dodgy ;|. Btw for the record, 85 slayer is far from hard, it requires time and some common sense that is all, knowing how to be effective is what it's about and having some spare time ;\.

The quest was an excuse for getting Crystal gear released, I had a long talk to Mod Dylan (I believe; have the screenshots somewhere) on release day talking about the crystal stuff and what they we're planning ect..

Depending on how long you want to meditate depends on what routine you go through, but just for basics I'd reccomend first finding a quiet place your room/sitting room ect.. sit down on the floor cross legged with your back straight and hands resting loosely on your knees then think and follow your breath, dont attempt to control it, just keep it natural and follow it in and out thinking of your breath and only your breath - then start to extend it, control it don't hold it or stutter it, simply recognise your control over it and fill your lungs to their full capacity. While thats a very brief over view it will get you started, i'm sure however there are meditation groups you could join/excercises you could access. It's all to do with breathing and being aware of yourself, often a setting may be portrayed to be imagined at first, but then you work up to just breath control and recognition.

No thats not true, they deleted RSC accounts if they weren't logged into within 6 months previously a couple of years back, thats the only time they've ever deleted accounts and the only time they ever said that they would delete accounts.

Servers arn't live until the mid-night previous to release so it doesn't matter if anyone gets their copy early ;p.

Wow, there's no need to be so abrasive christ, he quiet obviously has the intelligence and ability to see the language and "drop rate" difference of Third Age items to Discontinued. All he's suggesting is that the drop rate could be so low that due to both Runescapes every growing fan-base and the general decline in the value of gold the prices could stabilise if not increase. Something that is honestly quiet feasible considering how many Discontinued items there are currently in the game compared to the third age stuff, it is true that the amount of each is heading in seperate directions and "eventually" numbers must level out then pass each other but the time scale is something quiet intriguing and something it doesn't seem you've considered. How long did it take dragon legs/whips/RHH to drop? Dragon Legs - (15M) Halved in a matter of hours, hit a base price within a week and was only twice is current price within a day. Abyssal Whip - (43M - 50M) Halved within a week, halved again within 2 months, and again within 6. Reached twice is current and stable price within a year and Robin Hood Hat - (4M) Halved in 6 months, stayed constant for around a year, then grew by a factor of 1.5 to stabalise at it's current price. Now, I chose these three items specifically because of both their rarity and their difference in drop rate/attainability. As after the hype (regardless how much their was), each was appropriately priced by rarity and demand. This can be seen quiet clearly through the way demand exagerates starting prices then rarity accustomises, of course the scale of the demand affects the time taken for any kind of consistant price to emerge, but in the end I think it's quiet obvious that rarity holds out. Now, YES Third Age prices will change but they'll always reflect rarity and demand. Any descripinces about my pricing/time periods can and should be mentioned but don't go ranting, they're time frames, not exact dates and I was there and and active through them all (especially whips, as I was certainly one of the first 10 on Tip.it getting my first at 43M and proceeded to merchant a large amount off of them and then 85 slayer two months later). An inresting post I must say, and definatly one to watch, will be good fun to watch some people eat their words and to be honest, if no conflicting armour comes out and the drop rate stays the same I think we will be waiting for a VERY long time for prices to change at all drastically and can myself see the prices rising as hype dies down.

Biggest currently autoed item atm is dragon bones, don't see what screwing over f2p would do.

Out of intrest does it work well at abyssal demons? Havn't played in a good 6 months and was wondering would love to get back on the top 21 range goal :P, I know crystal bow is well used at demons but I always felt cheated due to their terrible range defense and whips arn't worth enough for karils to be viable anymore. So any opinions?

meh santas are by far the easiest rare to merchant and fluctuate so much and people are making millions out of it, I've kinda given up now, getting 18 santas scammed off you isnt much motivation ;p but meh we'll see i might try make up a santas or two from the next price rise/drop its all alot of people are going to do until sources run dry, then who knows how high they'll go.

are you having a laugh? Dragon daggers can hit 41's rune arrows 25's. crystal bow has no special and has a max hit of 29.

it was two double shot special attacks, it took up 35% of the bar each and yes it should be changed back (you could actually time it to get 3 in a row). Range is pathetic as it is atm.

So even if someones wrong, we should all smile sweetly and go aww? I'm sorry but I won't patronise him, good for him for enjoying something enough to look for the links but if he's wrong he's wrong. The world isn't all sunshine and roses and you'll get nowhere if everytime someone makes a mistake or takes something to far you just accept it. This forum is for discussion, you cant have dicussion if everyone is agreed unless you really think a bunch of people talking about how right they are and how good they are is the way forward. Agreed... It's just a game, stop trying to relate it to everything else. Doing all this extra work is unnecessary. It ruins the ambience of the game. Are either of you literate or just lazy? Apparantly not. Besides, it's more fun when you look at it this way. There is no need at all to start trying to impose an intellectual superiority over me, let alone comment on something that is perfectly readable. I'm sorry that I don't have time to go over every post I make searching for obscure grammar and typing errors but in future I will try just for you ;). Oh, and just a thought. It would be more fun to believe that I could fly, doesnt mean I'm going to launch myself off a building though does it? It would be more fun to believe I could re-enact William Tell, doesnt mean I should shoot at an apple balance on my sisters head though does it? Think before you speak and don't be so bent on aserting your dominance over everything, yours has to be by far the most pathetic post yet.

First off, read the whole thing. Second off, do you have any better resemblance?! Jagex isnt original, we all know that, and if you dont your being roughly ignoring the facts. I read the whole thing, picked out some of your factors to show how clearly off you are, you were and are looking for comparisons not seeing them. How the hell can you say Jagex isn't original, their PVP system is and has been groundbreaking and the reason for 90% of their high level fan base staying on. Not only that but they must be doing something differently for otherwise why are so many people here. You can just assume something stolen because the company making it likes to parody pop culture not only is it insulting it's just plain rude. Now, since it seems people are so sucked in I will outline WHY your are simply pulling things out the air. In classic fantasy there are always different races, classically they also prefer their own kind and there is alot of prejudice and almost "racism" between the factions/races. Therefore almost all have their own home town/place - ie. trolls, ie. werewolves, ie. elves, ie. the people of the shanty pass/desert all of which are examples in RS. Now Jagex wanted to make a city on Karajama and decided in the volcanoe, now again classically in fantasy races normally have some sort of affiliation and harmony with their habitat; elves - woods, dwarfs - mountains/underground. Therefore it was only logical that the Thzarr be made out of magma/lava (as there will be obvious discrepensies there) their 4 arms? fantasitical effect, graphical harmony, whatever you want to call it. Normally these races also have their own language as all races do, that is nothing different or abnormal. But c'mon your explanations are laughable at best. One has 4 teeth the other 4 arms. Speaks for itself, you were looking for a direct link. One lives in a typical Ant burrowed fashion in a volcanoe the other in a pyramid under Ice I don't see how these two show anything at all, wow neither lives above ground..? They both have wierd languages Er.. ye doesnt every race to someone else? They are both friendly So it wouldnt disrupt gameplay/ the coding it has taken Jagex 5 years to create if they wanted Thzarr to invade runescape? It's for practicality and nothing else. The minigames - violence (er.. guess thats what you mean?) Fight Pits - PVP without the loss of items, its practicality not flavour that this was added for, it was something people wanted so they gave it to them. Fight Caves - A way to give recognition for skill rather than clicking ability and a goal for many people again almost no flavour whatsoever. They don't come out of thier abode Neither do any other race? Alien metals/materials Er hang on there Onyx firstly is a real material found on earth and since it is formed near volcanoes it was an obvious choice for Jagex to make to give the playability a boost again. Jagex do like to parody and to put in easter eggs its true but your getting way ahead of yourself here, all your points can be generalised to all of fantasy and those specific links are not spefically flavourful in their RPG context.

ok i got bored and opened mine, for 4.5M i was quiet happy xD anyone want to work out my profit? im slightly lazy :$ looks good though.

4 teeth = 4 arms? they both have wierd languages. HMMM IT COULDNT BE COINCIDENTAL christ, stop looking for comparisons that are utterly rediculous, your obviously thinking too hard.

So the fact that I was a guy had nothing to do with it? if a middle aged woman did it to her would the mother react the same way? No, it was because you are a teenager she doesn't know. She might also view guys as more unfriendly than girls - she might be a sexist, I don't know. But I think it's highly unlikely she thought you were going to sexually abuse her daughter. Didn't you ever hear "Don't talk to strangers" growing up? This parent is clearly a strong believer of that - but I think you have absolutely no reason to believe she was assuming you are a pedophile. Mmm I guess, just felt like she was accusing me of being one when she glared at me ;S even I am doing what I find wrong with society today ;p paranoid about Paedophiles ;\.

So the fact that I was a guy had nothing to do with it? if a middle aged woman did it to her would the mother react the same way?

Imagine: You are Male - 16 and cycling home from School, approaching a red light you slow and come to rest at the junction, settling back you take your hands off the handle-bars and sit; waiting for the light to change. A car pulls up to your side, a young girl, maybe 4 or 5 is in the front seat and see's you, she smiles and waves. What do you do? I, waved. I, smiled. Then got scowled at by the driver - a middle age woman, and the girl cautioned. Why? Am I a paedophile? Even if I was would I be exhibiting a paedophilic nature by waving and smiling back at someone who did that to me? Is our society such that we must now neglect common curtesy to avoid paedophilic accusation. Can a 16 year old even BE a paedophile? Am i that different to 6 months ago? 2 years ago? I dunno, was just slightly annoyed at her reaction.

nah buy it from a shop but have it tradable, I've lost enough off losing barrows gloves in the wild lol.

These topics are so pointless, just a way to make yourself feel good. "oo look at me i have an iq higher than you" anyway it doesnt make that much of a difference, it goes off logic/recognition 100 (or 1.0) being average.

I believe I am Tip.Its resident frog ;@

Dogs are great xp - brimhaven dungeon.