Disturbing..

[S_C_Stunner]

omg, all you did was insult me :lol:

 

 

 

Wow, how old are you? 12?

 

 

 

Just like how all you did was trashing a religion :roll:

 

 

 

Owned.

[malo2]

omg, all you did was insult me :lol:

 

 

 

Wow, how old are you? 12?

 

 

 

Just like how all you did was trashing a religion :roll:

 

 

 

Owned.

 

+1 *goes to get a mod*

[insane]

This is a temporary lock while I look things over.

[insane]

Okay, let's give this one more try.

 

 

 

Shadow - if you're not generalizing, you need to specify it. Even though you might have thought that you talking about extremists was a given - it wasn't. I was reading things over and honestly thought you were talking about all Muslims.

 

 

 

Stunner - you could have handled things more maturely instead of insulting Shadow.

 

 

 

Everyone else - quoting them and throwing your cheap shots here and there isn't helping either.

 

 

 

Let's stick to the intended topic please.

[Not]

All children are exposed to propoganda from either their parents or state-sponsored or corporate media both of with are biased and have an agenda.

 

 

 

They are willing to die for their country, beliefs, and culture. How is that any different than the cliche "support our troops". Yeah I hope they don't die, but I do not support what they are doing in Iraq or Afghanistan for that matter.

 

 

 

It's easy to buy into propoganda especially when you are exposed to it every day.

[Faux]

 

Just like how all you did was trashing a religion :roll:

 

 

 

 

You are such a troll :lol: Go back to trolling the RS forums and stay off OffTopic. I'm on the borderline of choosing whether to personally insult you or not. Stop pushing me. Either stop being a moron or actually learn how to argue. Being an 'azn wangster' doesn't warrant a decent reply from me. Go away.

 

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There's always a difference. I don't understand how people can even compare.

 

 

 

All children are exposed to propoganda from either their parents or state-sponsored or corporate media both of with are biased and have an agenda.

 

 

 

I don't know how you grew up, but there was no 'force' of me to get into military. Heck, I don't even know anyone planning to get into military. We have choices. Where did you grow up? Because majority of kids here would say they want to be a doctor, a nurse, an engineer, a teacher, etc.

 

 

 

I myself have though of being in the Air Force or become a detective. I know the risk I'm taking if I choose that path, but it's my own choosing. It's because I might want to, not because my parents nor any propaganda forced me.

 

 

 

 

They are willing to die for their country, beliefs, and culture. How is that any different than the cliche "support our troops". Yeah I hope they don't die, but I do not support what they are doing in Iraq or Afghanistan for that matter.

 

 

 

"Support our troops" is different from teaching Middle Eastern children hate of the Western countries. I've never seen children here being taught how to shoot an M-16 or to 'die' for this country.

 

 

 

It's very different, it's foolish to think so.

 

 

 

 

It's easy to buy into propoganda especially when you are exposed to it every day.

 

 

 

Exactly how? Are we taught to hate certain people with a passion? Are we educated how to fight against this certain people? Are we? No. Propaganda (if you call it so) where the army recruits is proper. They give people the choice, the liberty to choose what they want to do in life. It's different from being raised to be a terrorist.

[S_C_Stunner]

 

Just like how all you did was trashing a religion :roll:

 

 

 

 

You are such a troll :lol: Go back to trolling the RS forums and stay off OffTopic. I'm on the borderline of choosing whether to personally insult you or not. Stop pushing me. Either stop being a moron or actually learn how to argue. Being an 'azn wangster' doesn't warrant a decent reply from me. Go away.

 

 

 

Weird being said by a guy with alot more post counts than i do.

 

I havent been posting in the rs forum in years.

 

 

 

i don't mind personal insults. Try me.

 

 

 

Back to the topic, I find that religions are the main cause of wars. I find the world a better place without any religion at all.

[Not]

All children are exposed to propoganda from either their parents or state-sponsored or corporate media both of with are biased and have an agenda.

 

 

 

I don't know how you grew up, but there was no 'force' of me to get into military. Heck, I don't even know anyone planning to get into military. We have choices. Where did you grow up? Because majority of kids here would say they want to be a doctor, a nurse, an engineer, a teacher, etc.

 

 

 

I myself have though of being in the Air Force or become a detective. I know the risk I'm taking if I choose that path, but it's my own choosing. It's because I might want to, not because my parents nor any propaganda forced me.

 

 

 

I grew up in the United States where the media is owned by a select few and pull the strings in public opinion. I grew up in the United States where there are only two main political parties that are turning what was once a great country into something terrible. I grew up in the United States where we are losing freedom and aren't given a choice except between the lesser of two evils.

 

 

 

Not everyone has the same opportunity to go to college so they are willing to join the National Guard to pay for their schooling. Instead of defending their country they are destroying another's.

 

 

 

 

They are willing to die for their country, beliefs, and culture. How is that any different than the cliche "support our troops". Yeah I hope they don't die, but I do not support what they are doing in Iraq or Afghanistan for that matter.

 

 

 

"Support our troops" is different from teaching Middle Eastern children hate of the Western countries. I've never seen children here being taught how to shoot an M-16 or to 'die' for this country.

 

 

 

It's very different, it's foolish to think so.

 

 

 

I'm sure a lot of children believe that they would die for their country if it was invaded by a foreign power. Would they consider themselves terrorists or insurgents if they killed some of the soldiers.

 

 

 

They may not be trained to use an M-16 but many children hunt and know how to use a rifle.

 

 

 

 

It's easy to buy into propoganda especially when you are exposed to it every day.

 

 

 

Exactly how? Are we taught to hate certain people with a passion? Are we educated how to fight against this certain people? Are we? No. Propaganda (if you call it so) where the army recruits is proper. They give people the choice, the liberty to choose what they want to do in life. It's different from being raised to be a terrorist.

 

 

 

We are being taught to fear Latino Immigrants and Arabs. And as long as we keep seeing Immigration problems and bad news in the Middle East this will continue.

 

 

 

When you wake up one day and you are living in the American Union and your currency is the Amero, it'll be too late.

[Faux]

Not everyone has the same opportunity to go to college so they are willing to join the National Guard to pay for their schooling. Instead of defending their country they are destroying another's.

 

 

 

How exactly are they destroying anothers? US attacked the countries due to the terrorists. Not for the sake of destroying it. If the country's people were terrorized, do you expect the government to just stand back?

 

 

 

I'm sure a lot of children believe that they would die for their country if it was invaded by a foreign power. Would they consider themselves terrorists or insurgents if they killed some of the soldiers.

 

 

 

They may not be trained to use an M-16 but many children hunt and know how to use a rifle.

 

 

 

Do you know the history between the Middle-East and Israel? Israel had no place to go so the UN gave them a tiny strip of land in the Middle-East. But due to the greed and hate of the Arabs, they still attacked and ended up losing a lot of lands to the Jews.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

 

At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. The results of the war affect the geopolitics of the region to this day.

 

 

 

Foolish isn't it.

 

 

 

Exactly, how many kids do you know how to use a rifle? Because under the laws of the country, it's illegal for children to use a rifle. There's a difference between that and a country who allow children to learn how to use guns for the sake of killing.

 

 

 

 

We are being taught to fear Latino Immigrants and Arabs. And as long as we keep seeing Immigration problems and bad news in the Middle East this will continue.

 

 

 

No, you are not being taught to fear the Mexicans.

 

 

 

And you are not being taught to fear the Arabs either. You are being forced to fear the Arabs by the Arabs. Do you know what terrorism is? It means to strike fear to the people. If an Islamic terrorist group, oh let's say, crashed 3 planes into 2 of your important establishments, namely the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, you don't expect fear and anger to come from that?

[Not]

Not everyone has the same opportunity to go to college so they are willing to join the National Guard to pay for their schooling. Instead of defending their country they are destroying another's.

 

 

 

How exactly are they destroying anothers? US attacked the countries due to the terrorists. Not for the sake of destroying it. If the country's people were terrorized, do you expect the government to just stand back?

 

 

 

I'm sure a lot of children believe that they would die for their country if it was invaded by a foreign power. Would they consider themselves terrorists or insurgents if they killed some of the soldiers.

 

 

 

They may not be trained to use an M-16 but many children hunt and know how to use a rifle.

 

 

 

Do you know the history between the Middle-East and Israel? Israel had no place to go so the UN gave them a tiny strip of land in the Middle-East. But due to the greed and hate of the Arabs, they still attacked and ended up losing a lot of lands to the Jews.

 

 

 

Israel had no place to go? You mean to say the European Jews had no place to go. They were living in Europe prior to WWII, they had a home.

 

 

 

So where in the world could the United Nations place these not so displaced Jews? A place where if they were put would cause there to be tension and warefare, thus allowing the United Nation to increase it's power? Oh yeah, in the Middle East.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

 

At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. The results of the war affect the geopolitics of the region to this day.

 

 

 

Foolish isn't it.

 

 

 

Exactly, how many kids do you know how to use a rifle? Because under the laws of the country, it's illegal for children to use a rifle. There's a difference between that and a country who allow children to learn how to use guns for the sake of killing.

 

 

 

 

We are being taught to fear Latino Immigrants and Arabs. And as long as we keep seeing Immigration problems and bad news in the Middle East this will continue.

 

 

 

 

 

No, you are not being taught to fear the Mexicans.

 

 

 

And you are not being taught to fear the Arabs either. You are being forced to fear the Arabs by the Arabs. Do you know what terrorism is? It means to strike fear to the people. If an Islamic terrorist group, oh let's say, crashed 3 planes into 2 of your important establishments, namely the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, you don't expect fear and anger to come from that?

 

 

 

Illegal for children to use a rifle? No it isn't, there is a Rifle Merit Badge in Boy Scouts where you need to show proficiency in Rifle usage in order to obtain. Not only that but kids do not learn how to safely use BB guns in Hunter's Safety Classes, they learn how to use a real gun. It is illegal for children to own a gun, not use them.

 

 

 

If a secret shadow government organization, oh let's say, crashed 3 planes into 2 of our important establishments, namely the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, then made it look like it was done by some cave dwelling arabs. Yeah I expect a lot of American's to be pissed at the arabs. Pissed enough to invade and occupy Iraq.

[Faux]

Israel had no place to go? You mean to say the European Jews had no place to go. They were living in Europe prior to WWII, they had a home.

 

 

 

 

Oh yeah, those concentration camps must have been so comfy. I bet they got a nice tan from the ovens too, eh?

 

 

 

So where in the world could the United Nations place these not so displaced Jews? A place where if they were put would cause there to be tension and warefare, thus allowing the United Nation to increase it's power? Oh yeah, in the Middle East.

 

 

 

Where do you think Jews came from anyway?

 

 

 

Illegal for children to use a rifle? No it isn't, there is a Rifle Merit Badge in Boy Scouts where you need to show proficiency in Rifle usage in order to obtain. Not only that but kids do not learn how to safely use BB guns in Hunter's Safety Classes, they learn how to use a real gun. It is illegal for children to own a gun, not use them.

 

 

 

Lol, I doubt you can put those Safety Classes in the same league as Islamic terrorist organizations now, can you.

 

 

 

If a secret shadow government organization, oh let's say, crashed 3 planes into 2 of our important establishments, namely the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, then made it look like it was done by some cave dwelling arabs. Yeah I expect a lot of American's to be pissed at the arabs. Pissed enough to invade and occupy Iraq.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but I thought we were dealing with facts, not conspiracy theories.

[apinagez]

Carlo, terrorist groups do exactly the same thing as the army, which happens to be kill people.

 

I just can't understand what the government tells you Americans and Canadians to make you think they are devils.

[Faux]

Oh yeah, I'm sorry for thinking terrorism is bad.

 

 

 

Tell that to the victims of the London bombing and the 9/11 incident.

[apinagez]

You're forgiven.

 

 

 

Anyway, my point is it's just as bad as any military organization.

[insane]

You're forgiven.

 

 

 

Anyway, my point is it's just as bad as any military organization.

 

 

 

Not if you look at motives and methods.

 

The ends are the same for both groups, but the means are quite different.

[apinagez]

You're forgiven.

 

 

 

Anyway, my point is it's just as bad as any military organization.

 

 

 

Not if you look at motives and methods.

 

The ends are the same for both groups, but the means are quite different.

 

 

 

What differ their motives and methods, in your opinion?

 

For me, those are exactly the same: They seek power (for themselves, for their group or for an specific organization/country/person) and their method is the elimination of specific targets, be them strategical for their economical, political or symbolical importance.

[Faux]

I was being sarcastic.

 

 

 

Are these the same?

 

 

 

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1. al-Queda hijacking 3 planes and crashing them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon

 

 

 

2. The US is retaliating in terms of the terrorism they received during the 9/11.

 

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How about we put Brazil in the same situation?

 

 

 

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1. A terrorist group hits a football stadium in Brazil.

 

 

 

2. The brazil governments demands justice and attacks the terrorist group.

 

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Is one more justified than the other? Yes.

 

 

 

Motive

 

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Military - seek and demand justice from the terrorist group

 

Terrorists - spread fear

 

 

 

Means

 

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Miltary - asks for surrender and face justice, use force if denied.

 

Terrorists - suicide bombing

 

 

 

They're not exactly the same. One is civilized, the other is barbaric. It's foolish to think they're the same. If so, you don't have a clear understanding of terrorism.

[apinagez]

0 - Brazil influences the whole world, installs jews on a region that had been palestine for one thousand years, supplying them money and military resources. From this moment on, Israel invades other arab countries, Brazil continues supplying them with money and military resources.

 

Muslims retaliate.

 

1 - A stadium is destroyed

 

2 - Brazil retaliates

 

 

 

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Terrorists want to spread fear (just as Apple wants to spread iPods, by marketing), of course, but isn't the main motive of a huge army and nuclear weapons make the other countries fear and respect a more powerful and militaristic nation, in order for it to obtain more and more power?

 

 

 

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Don't come with the good and evil version, elaborate it and I might discuss it with you.

[Faux]

Thanks for that piece of eye-opening information.

 

 

 

Kidding.

 

 

 

Thanks for re-writing the whole meaning of terrorism Mr. TreeHugger. I'll have to say no to that organic information though.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

 

 

 

Terrorism refers to a strategy of using violence, or threat of violence to generate fear, cause disruption, and ultimately, to bring about compliance with specific political, religious, ideological, or personal demands[1]. The targets of terrorist attacks typically are not the individuals who are killed, injured, or taken hostage, but rather the societies to which these individuals belong. Terrorism is a type of unconventional warfare designed to weaken or supplant existing political landscapes through capitulation or acquiescence, as opposed to subversion or direct military action. The broader influence of terrorism in the modern world is often attributed to the dramatic focus of mass media in amplifying feelings of intense fear and anger.

 

 

 

I think I'll stick by the book.

[apinagez]

Would an enlightened soul help me understand ShadowFax's point?

[Faux]

Easy, you don't understand terrorism.

 

 

 

There's another word for what you're saying, it's called arms race. Look it up.

[apinagez]

I obviously understand terrorism.

 

What I don't understand is why people are stupid enough to think the US Army "spreads justice", while terrorists "suicide bomb".

 

What the US Army does is bomb without suicide.

 

 

 

Both sides are looking foward to obtain power and influence, it's not Good x Evil as you say.

 

You caricature the facts before looking at them, or somebody else does it before you.

[Faux]

the main motive of a huge army and nuclear weapons make the other countries fear and respect a more powerful and militaristic nation, in order for it to obtain more and more power

 

 

 

That means arms race. It doesn't mean 'terrorism' at all.

 

 

 

And there's another word for the other statement you're talking about, it's called war. Look it up.

[apinagez]

I'm not saying that means terrorism. I'm saying both army and terrorists are fear generators.

 

 

 

You're extra arrogant today, Carlo.

[Faux]

You were saying that military and terrorists are the same. I proved you wrong.

 

 

 

I'm the one being arrogant? You're the one insulting every soldier in every damn country by categorizing them as terrorists. They deserve more respect than that. You might as well have called my grandfather a terrorist for serving in the army.

 

 

 

Think twice before you disrespect people that you owe your life to.