What if all rares became untradable

[zubeedoo]

I will have to admit that I don't understand the desire of people to own rares. Perhaps some explanation of this would help. If it is to impress others, then rares is a pretty lame way to do it. I'm more impressed by someone who helps another player because they want to be help, not because they were asked. But that's me.

 

 

 

Here's what I see good about removing the tradeability of rares from the game: You significantly reduce the motivation for scamming and auto-ing. Of course, it doesn't eliminate it completely, but if there is no "prize" for collecting 100 million coins to spend on something, then there's no motivation to find cheats in order to get there. I'm not saying that people who have or want these items are cheaters, but how many stories have we heard about people getting banned for this type of activity, and being banned while owning complete sets of rares?

 

 

 

When I say a rare is worthless, from the standpoint of how it affects your stats, it is worthless. At least my purple hat gives me a +4 ranging bonus. What does a party hat give? It doesn't boost skills or enhance your magic or anything. And, my purple hat high-alchs for more than the party hats (though by not much, I'm sure!)

 

 

 

 

 

- Sligo

First let's deal with the facts you argued:

 

You claim that removing them from the game would drastically change scammers. This is 100% bull.

 

Do you really think some guy offering to trim some newb's full black is really thinking that it'll get him a phat? Scammers, for the most part, work on a smaller scale. The only type of scammer that would cease to exist is the type that scams rares, but if you think that justifies removing them from the game then you must also think that all items/gp should be removed, as any scammer could simply move to a different item.

 

 

 

Rares are no more worthless then anything else in runescape. I like rares because I like rares. You like stats because you like stats. I decided (for a while) not to think about stats because I wanted a rare, you avoid rares because you'd rather work on your stats. How is having better stats any better (or even different) from having expensive items? To me, having a rare is fun. To you, having high stats is fun.

 

You ignored this last time, so I'll make it bigger:

 

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW TO HAVE FUN?

 

also,

 

WHAT MAKES YOUR FUN BETTER THEN MINE?

 

See, I get mad whenever I see posts about why rares "need" to be removed. I have NEVER,EVER seen one actual logical argument behind any of them. It's just random jerks who decide that I (and all rare owners) need to have fun THEIR way. I don't force you not to train stats, why would you try to force me not to buy rares?

 

 

 

Look me up in the highscores. You'll notice that my range is at lvl 77, and is my second highest skill. I used to HATE range, it was one of my lowest skills (second only to rc). I started ranging again after I bought my mask and ya know what? I enjoyed it! Just wearing the mask while ranging made it fun. I've kept my mask not to show off, not as an investment, but because I LIKE IT. Why the hell would you want to ruin the game for people like me? You wouldn't be gaining anything out of it.

 

 

 

Quite frankly I now strongly dislike you. You want rares removed because you don't see what's so fun about them, not realizing that something that would not, in any way, affect you would ruin the game for others.

[Duke_Freedom]

The economy would 'crash'.

 

 

 

People should really learn to not overuse this seemingly meaningless sentence so much, without knowing what they want to say with it. I really doubt you guys have any concrete idea what you mean when you say the economy 'crashes'?

 

 

 

A better way of saying it would be to say the economy would adapt / change when rares are removed or high alching is removed. The difference between saying this and saying that the 'economy' crashes is that it is still totally open for discussion whether this 'adaption' would be for the good or not.

 

 

 

Furthermore, it seems the 'skillers' in this thread have trouble observing the whole rares situation in an objective way. People play the game for different reasons. Learn to respect that and refrain from only looking from your own position. Otherwise I'll have to say you're a Billy, as defined in Zubeedoo's post. :)

 

 

 

By removing the billions from the game, they will eliminate inflation and raise the value of the GP.

 

 

 

I can foresee prices of goods such as Essence, ores (especially coal) and other raw goods rising, in turn stimulating the economy.

 

 

 

Interesting. You expect a raise in the price of GP and a raise in the price of materials when rares would disappear? Compared to what would it all raise precisely?

 

 

 

I'll make it easy for you. The billions you remove are billions of item value. Simple economics would have teached you that this will actually lead to a heavy drop of the value of GP instead, which in return is the cause for a rise in the prices of materials and high cost pseudo-rare armour.

 

 

 

Rune would once again be the mainstay of the armor market, and a rush of new 85 smithers would form.

 

 

 

Nonsense. Rune items are pretty much based on their high alch values these days, and that is due to an overproduction of rune items. Nothing will change about this with rares disappearing.

 

 

 

As for my opinion, I thought this forum was the place to share opinions. Just because me or someone else's opinion may seem stupid to you, it doesn't mean we aren't entitled to them, just as you are entitled to yours.

 

 

 

If you want to discuss economics, you're better off dropping your personal point of view and opinion on certain aspects. Otherwise you could just as well not discuss economics. Just because you don't see the use in rares does not mean that there is no use in rares. This has nothing to do with opinions.

[Fadfdfd]

The economy would 'crash'.

 

 

 

People should really learn to not overuse this seemingly meaningless sentence so much, without knowing what they want to say with it. I really doubt you guys have any concrete idea what you mean when you say the economy 'crashes'?

 

 

 

A better way of saying it would be to say the economy would adapt / change when rares are removed or high alching is removed. The difference between saying this and saying that the 'economy' crashes is that it is still totally open for discussion whether this 'adaption' would be for the good or not.

 

 

 

Furthermore, it seems the 'skillers' in this thread have trouble observing the whole rares situation in an objective way. People play the game for different reasons. Learn to respect that and refrain from only looking from your own position. Otherwise I'll have to say you're a Billy, as defined in Zubeedoo's post. :)

 

 

 

By removing the billions from the game, they will eliminate inflation and raise the value of the GP.

 

 

 

I can foresee prices of goods such as Essence, ores (especially coal) and other raw goods rising, in turn stimulating the economy.

 

 

 

Interesting. You expect a raise in the price of GP and a raise in the price of materials when rares would disappear? Compared to what would it all raise precisely?

 

 

 

I'll make it easy for you. The billions you remove are billions of item value. Simple economics would have teached you that this will actually lead to a heavy drop of the value of GP instead, which in return is the cause for a rise in the prices of materials and high cost pseudo-rare armour.

 

 

 

Rune would once again be the mainstay of the armor market, and a rush of new 85 smithers would form.

 

 

 

Nonsense. Rune items are pretty much based on their high alch values these days, and that is due to an overproduction of rune items. Nothing will change about this with rares disappearing.

 

 

 

As for my opinion, I thought this forum was the place to share opinions. Just because me or someone else's opinion may seem stupid to you, it doesn't mean we aren't entitled to them, just as you are entitled to yours.

 

 

 

If you want to discuss economics, you're better off dropping your personal point of view and opinion on certain aspects. Otherwise you could just as well not discuss economics. Just because you don't see the use in rares does not mean that there is no use in rares. This has nothing to do with opinions.

 

 

 

Uhh excuse me, this guy would commit suicide XD

 

 

 

You depend on rares dont ya duke?

[d3vilbro]

I will have to admit that I don't understand the desire of people to own rares. Perhaps some explanation of this would help. If it is to impress others, then rares is a pretty lame way to do it. I'm more impressed by someone who helps another player because they want to be help, not because they were asked. But that's me.

 

 

 

Here's what I see good about removing the tradeability of rares from the game: You significantly reduce the motivation for scamming and auto-ing. Of course, it doesn't eliminate it completely, but if there is no "prize" for collecting 100 million coins to spend on something, then there's no motivation to find cheats in order to get there. I'm not saying that people who have or want these items are cheaters, but how many stories have we heard about people getting banned for this type of activity, and being banned while owning complete sets of rares?

 

 

 

When I say a rare is worthless, from the standpoint of how it affects your stats, it is worthless. At least my purple hat gives me a +4 ranging bonus. What does a party hat give? It doesn't boost skills or enhance your magic or anything. And, my purple hat high-alchs for more than the party hats (though by not much, I'm sure!)

 

 

 

 

 

- Sligo

First let's deal with the facts you argued:

 

You claim that removing them from the game would drastically change scammers. This is 100% bull.

 

Do you really think some guy offering to trim some newb's full black is really thinking that it'll get him a phat? Scammers, for the most part, work on a smaller scale. The only type of scammer that would cease to exist is the type that scams rares, but if you think that justifies removing them from the game then you must also think that all items/gp should be removed, as any scammer could simply move to a different item.

 

 

 

Rares are no more worthless then anything else in runescape. I like rares because I like rares. You like stats because you like stats. I decided (for a while) not to think about stats because I wanted a rare, you avoid rares because you'd rather work on your stats. How is having better stats any better (or even different) from having expensive items? To me, having a rare is fun. To you, having high stats is fun.

 

You ignored this last time, so I'll make it bigger:

 

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW TO HAVE FUN?

 

also,

 

WHAT MAKES YOUR FUN BETTER THEN MINE?

 

See, I get mad whenever I see posts about why rares "need" to be removed. I have NEVER,EVER seen one actual logical argument behind any of them. It's just random jerks who decide that I (and all rare owners) need to have fun THEIR way. I don't force you not to train stats, why would you try to force me not to buy rares?

 

 

 

Look me up in the highscores. You'll notice that my range is at lvl 77, and is my second highest skill. I used to HATE range, it was one of my lowest skills (second only to rc). I started ranging again after I bought my mask and ya know what? I enjoyed it! Just wearing the mask while ranging made it fun. I've kept my mask not to show off, not as an investment, but because I LIKE IT. Why the hell would you want to ruin the game for people like me? You wouldn't be gaining anything out of it.

 

 

 

Quite frankly I now strongly dislike you. You want rares removed because you don't see what's so fun about them, not realizing that something that would not, in any way, affect you would ruin the game for others.

 

 

 

Thank you! I agree 100%

[toast647]

You would have alot of mad people that will most likely quit.

[Aijiru]

Ok, there's not too much that I can say now. I'm a f2p player, not too rich, not too poor, and the only rare i own is a disk of returning that I won on a game on these forums... but i'll never sell it so i guess it doesnt counts. However, I have a friend who merchants on rares and i'm sure that if rares become untradeable he would quit. Why? He spent years working so hard and saving money to buy these rares, then sold them to earn more money. Why should this disturb anyone? He's not forcing anyone to buy its rares.

 

 

 

I'd like to quote this.

 

 

 

Rares are no more worthless then anything else in runescape. I like rares because I like rares. You like stats because you like stats. I decided (for a while) not to think about stats because I wanted a rare, you avoid rares because you'd rather work on your stats. How is having better stats any better (or even different) from having expensive items? To me, having a rare is fun. To you, having high stats is fun.

 

You ignored this last time, so I'll make it bigger:

 

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW TO HAVE FUN?

 

also,

 

WHAT MAKES YOUR FUN BETTER THEN MINE?

 

See, I get mad whenever I see posts about why rares "need" to be removed. I have NEVER,EVER seen one actual logical argument behind any of them. It's just random jerks who decide that I (and all rare owners) need to have fun THEIR way. I don't force you not to train stats, why would you try to force me not to buy rares?

 

 

 

I agree 100%. Let people play his game as they want to! Whenever they don't break the rules they can do anything they want. If i want to pay 300k for a bronze sword, i can pay them! It's pretty wierd? Maybe. It's illegal, am i damaging anyone? NO!

 

 

 

If this hurts you, cos you want to buy another one and they are too expensive for you, i'll say that rares add nothing to your armour, so there's no way you could need them. If you want one, you can save and work your way to one of them. And if you don't like them or don't want to pay 300k, this is pretty simple: don't buy them. Ignore them.

 

 

 

Sorry if that sounds pretty hard or if i offend anyone, but this topic touches me so hard cos i had lots of arguing, tima ago, with a friend who said that i was doing nothing on rs cos i didn't like to spent hours mining ess or smithing, i preferred spent them training and selling the drops... but he didn't understand me. This is pretty much the same thing, no one could tell anyone to don't play the game as the way they want...

[sligo]

I'll say this. I'm not telling anyone how to enjoy the game. I'm not telling anyone that they must do things my way. I understand that there is diversity in the game.

 

 

 

I'll pull a "Glen Beck" on you (If you've seen him, you'll know where I'm going, if you haven't maybe you should watch his show a couple times)

 

 

 

 

 

Here's what I know today:

 

 

 

1. People like to play games in different ways. They have different goals and different desires. I know for a fact that I don't understand all of them. I understand what I like to do and how I like to spend my time, and that's all I can claim.

 

 

 

2. Jagex has said more than once that doing the drops that are now these so-called "Rares" has not turned out as they had intended. So much so that they have assured us often that such a thing will never occur again. Ever.

 

 

 

3. Duke Freedom is right in that if a significant change was made affecting the economy, the economy would not crash, rather it would adjust. That's what economies do. With the exception of the rares, EVERYTHING that is tradeable in the game is renewable in some way. We will never run out of coal. We will never run out of lobsters. Therefore, the marketability of these items is based upon your willingness to gather these resources yourself versus your willingness to pay the seller's price for them.

 

 

 

And, here's what I don't know:

 

 

 

1. I don't know what Jagex plans to do about rares. I doubt they will render them untradeable. However, I know that their "supply" is slowly dwindling because the owners of these items gradually quit or get banned (or, God forbid, drop the items in a remote location and they just vanish into cyberspace!)

 

 

 

2. I also don't know what new skills, quests, items, etc., will be introduced in the future. Each time something is added to the game, the economy fluctuates and adjusts to compensate.

 

 

 

The point of this is I'm not telling people how to play the game or what their goals should be. I know what mine are, and I play to those goals. If your goal is to do whatever it takes to accumulate a half a billion coins just so you can possess a certain item, then more power to you - as long as you accumulate that wealth legally. Accept the fact that this is not my goal, so it doesn't matter to me one whit what Jagex ultimately does on this issue. The discussion is acedemic because I seriously doubt Jagex would listen to any of us anyway.

 

 

 

I stated my opinion previously that if Jagex does decide to render rares untradeable, then they should provide a reasonable span of time so that those players who bought them for their investment value can cash in on them, and those players who want them because they think the represent some status symbol or just think they are cool have an opportunity to get them before the cutoff.

 

 

 

Once that time has come and gone, surely there will people who want to make them tradeable again, just as there are people who want new rare-tradeable drops. In the mean time, those of us who want to continue playing Runescape will continue to do so, and those that don't want to play Runescape anymore will quit.

 

 

 

It's too bad that people get emotional about this. Last I checked, this is just a game, right?

 

 

 

- Sligo

[zubeedoo]

Ah yes, the ever-popular "it's just a game" argument...

 

 

 

Let me explain something:

 

 

 

If you went back and read my first post, you'd notice that I said I myself wouldn't be all that bothered were rares made untradeable (as I never intend on selling mine). The game doesn't upset me, it's the people that play it.

 

 

 

Anyone who says that rares should be removed from the game, but can't provide a logical reason for doing so, is a jerk. (since they basically want to ruin the game for others, for no real reason)

 

 

 

You said you wanted rares removed, and then did not provide a reason for it, other then the fact that it's not something you like to do (and as such would not change the fun you get out of the game in any way were it to be removed).

 

This is what makes me mad, not the thought of rares being removed, but that people would be so self centered to actually suggest it.

 

 

 

Now, jagex has said that rares did not turn out as intended, but actually they are what make rs unique. Most games have discontinued items, but unlike runescape, they have many different types of these items. Jagex dropped the ball not once, but twice, in that they stopped making tradeable rares, insuring that the ones that already existed would be that much more valuable.

 

 

 

As far as what they'll do goes, don't expect much. Were jagex going to remove rares from the game, they would have done so a long time ago. The supply is slowly decreasing though, so don't get too worried about that. Even still, you yourself stated that rares are not your cup of tea, and as such they do not affect you, so you have NO buisness suggesting that the "benifits" would outweigh the consequences of removing them from the game.

[Duke_Freedom]

I know for a fact that I don't understand all of them.

 

 

 

I'll be honest with you: I don't really understand what people drives people to pay millions for phats in RuneScape, just as I don't understand what drives people to pay millions for 'famous' art in real life either. (I know there are people who hate this comparison, but I'm sorry, from an economical point of view it is exactly the same concept)

 

 

 

I do know what my own reasons were: they are a great investement* and they are the best items for merchanting. Still, with only people like me, rares would not be worth anything - even though the general thought is that merchants are responsible for the price rises in rares.

 

 

 

*To sligo: while you are right that rares mostly act as inflation-correction, they are still considered an investement as there is a certain risk involved in buying rares. Also, compared to the situation of just keeping the gp you have or spending it on materials, rares definately are an investement as your 'purchasing power' of both gp and materials rises as rares go up.

 

 

 

2. Jagex has said more than once that doing the drops that are now these so-called "Rares" has not turned out as they had intended.

 

 

 

They didn't intend rares to become what they are as they were given out as a fun item during holidays. And to quote Jagex own words: "We don't want this to just become an event whereby a few lucky players suddenly become ludicrously unfairly rich."

 

 

 

Nevertheless, anyone still using this arguement as a reason to remove rares is out of his mind. The amount of people still owning a rare from when they got them for free is extremely small. Furthermore, those who do will probably never sell them anyway.

 

 

 

Personally I've always considered the addition of rares positive for the economy. Not only does it weaken the effect of inflation, it also gives a goal for extremely large amounts of money. It creates more diversity in game-play - I believe that's what MMORPG's are all about?

 

 

 

It's too bad that people get emotional about this.

 

 

 

Because there are people in this thread (not you) who don't realize how rude it is to say things like "just remove them, rather today then tomorrow, without compensating the people who own them". Besides, by removing rares you don't only take away the fun of the people who own rares, you also take away (some of) the fun of the (much larger?) group of people who plan to own a rare some day.

 

 

 

The point is that it is precisely the same as me saying that "everyone's skill stats should be put at 1 as that would make the game interesting again". While I may actually think that, I'm not going to make a thread about it as I know how many people would strongly object that idea. I'm guessing you too would get "emotional about this" despite it "just being a game" then.

 

 

 

Finally, I disagree it is "just a game". It's a virtual world. But that is a totally different discussion.

[Dragon_lord]

Well if Jagex was to make all rares untradable it would please many people who want to "put a stop to all this rare nonsense".

 

On the other hand before the update was complete, and after it's annoucement of course, the price of rares would bolster to it's highest since the creation of Runescape holiday drops.

[sligo]

I come at this with a perspective most of you aren't aware of. It has nothing to do with the fact that I wasn't around when the rares were originally dropped. Nor does it have anything to do with the fact that I have no desire to possess any of the existing rares in the game. Not only is the price tag more than I'm willing to pay, but since these items bear no intrinsic game value. I don't dispute that they are an investment, sort of a hedge against inflation, and that they are a status symbol to some.

 

 

 

The game doesn't upset me, it's the people that play it.

 

 

 

Anyone who says that rares should be removed from the game, but can't provide a logical reason for doing so, is a jerk. (since they basically want to ruin the game for others, for no real reason)

 

 

 

In Runescape, especially for merchanters, the game is the people who play it.

 

 

 

I provided a reason why I think the rares should be rendered untradeable (not removed), and you responded with:

 

 

 

You claim that removing them from the game would drastically change scammers. This is 100% bull.

 

Do you really think some guy offering to trim some newb's full black is really thinking that it'll get him a phat? Scammers, for the most part, work on a smaller scale. The only type of scammer that would cease to exist is the type that scams rares, but if you think that justifies removing them from the game then you must also think that all items/gp should be removed, as any scammer could simply move to a different item.

 

 

 

 

Yet your statement totally misinterprets what I said:

 

You significantly reduce the motivation for scamming and auto-ing.

 

 

 

No, you're not going to stop scammers. This scourge will continue as long as the game exists. If you remember my tip.it times article a few weeks ago, I explored some possible reasons why people scam. For example:

 

This is the player who wants nice stuff but isn't willing to put forth the work to get it done.

 

The point is, you take away the stuff they want, you take away one of the motivations to scam. Rares only constitutes a small portion of the things they want, but because rares are comparitively so expensive, the damage and hurt caused by such a scam is greater. If I lose 10k or 100k to scam, I can go on because I know I can replace it in a matter of hours. However, if I lose 500m to a scam, I might get a little emotional about it because I've probably worked my tail off for a couple months to get that much.

 

 

 

So...

 

 

 

Personally I've always considered the addition of rares positive for the economy. Not only does it weaken the effect of inflation, it also gives a goal for extremely large amounts of money. It creates more diversity in game-play - I believe that's what MMORPG's are all about?

 

 

 

I use this quote as a seque into a "project" I have been working on. It's a new skill idea that introduces the ability to create tradeble "Player-made unique items" Unique in that they are "signed" by the player who made them. I'll have this up and posted in the suggestions forum later today.

 

 

 

(Unfortunately, due to the length and detail of the suggestion, I actually had to set up a special web page and post it there!) I look forward to your comments about this idea.

 

 

 

- Sligo

[rct101]

Well, there's people that have commit suicide after getting scammed rares. If jagex deleted all the rares, i'm sure more then a few would commit suicide.

 

 

 

Would jagex really risk that...? :-k

[sligo]

Well, there's people that have commit suicide after getting scammed rares. If jagex deleted all the rares, i'm sure more then a few would commit suicide.

 

 

 

Would jagex really risk that...? :-k

 

 

 

I take it you mean quit RS. Probably not, but based on the overall numbers, I doubt many people would notice.

 

 

 

There would be an awful lot of new posts in the rants section both here and on the official forums, though. Lol

 

 

 

- Sligo

 

 

 

P.S. That suggestion I mentioned previously has been posted in the Suggestions forum. Check it out and let me know what you think.

[oolatuck]

If rares were made untradeable, i would be extremely annoyed. I sold my santa hat to buy a green mask for 27mill, so i hope u can understand the extreme annoyance (or whatever the word is) i would have.

[zombieed1]

i think if party hats or rares were made untradeable players who owned one who only be slightly miffed but not bothered.... :D

[zubeedoo]

I come at this with a perspective most of you aren't aware of. It has nothing to do with the fact that I wasn't around when the rares were originally dropped. Nor does it have anything to do with the fact that I have no desire to possess any of the existing rares in the game. Not only is the price tag more than I'm willing to pay, but since these items bear no intrinsic game value. I don't dispute that they are an investment, sort of a hedge against inflation, and that they are a status symbol to some.

 

 

 

Then what the hell are you arguing? The only argument I've seen from you is that it would lessen the desire to scam (which I will deal with in a moment). Well, removing the gp would also lessen the desire to scam, so why don't we do that while we're at it? I honestly don't care what you think of rares. To each his own. Unless, of course, his own affects the way that others play.

 

 

 

 

In Runescape, especially for merchanters, the game is the people who play it.

 

 

 

I provided a reason why I think the rares should be rendered untradeable (not removed), and you responded with:

 

 

 

You claim that removing them from the game would drastically change scammers. This is 100% bull.

 

Do you really think some guy offering to trim some newb's full black is really thinking that it'll get him a phat? Scammers, for the most part, work on a smaller scale. The only type of scammer that would cease to exist is the type that scams rares, but if you think that justifies removing them from the game then you must also think that all items/gp should be removed, as any scammer could simply move to a different item.

 

 

 

 

Yet your statement totally misinterprets what I said:

 

You significantly reduce the motivation for scamming and auto-ing.

 

 

 

No, you're not going to stop scammers. This scourge will continue as long as the game exists. If you remember my tip.it times article a few weeks ago, I explored some possible reasons why people scam. For example:

 

This is the player who wants nice stuff but isn't willing to put forth the work to get it done.

 

The point is, you take away the stuff they want, you take away one of the motivations to scam. Rares only constitutes a small portion of the things they want, but because rares are comparitively so expensive, the damage and hurt caused by such a scam is greater. If I lose 10k or 100k to scam, I can go on because I know I can replace it in a matter of hours. However, if I lose 500m to a scam, I might get a little emotional about it because I've probably worked my tail off for a couple months to get that much.

Pickpockets don't pickpocket to get a porche. Period. As I said before, the effect this would have on scammers would be minimal. I myself have never even SEEN a rare-scammer, as most people who scam don't have/wouldn't risk losing that much money were they to be banned. Yes, there would be some people who'd no longer be able to scam, but you'd get just as many scammers stopped were you to send in a jmod (-the gold crown) into world 1 for an hour or so.

 

 

 

Also, you have some of the most interesting "logic" I've ever seen. You say the solution, meant to stop people from being scammed out of hundreds of millions of gp, is to steal from them hundreds of millions of gp. "Hey, nice car, but you might get it into an accident and ruin it, so I guess I'll just have to take it." :roll:

 

 

So...

 

 

 

Personally I've always considered the addition of rares positive for the economy. Not only does it weaken the effect of inflation, it also gives a goal for extremely large amounts of money. It creates more diversity in game-play - I believe that's what MMORPG's are all about?

 

 

 

I use this quote as a seque into a "project" I have been working on. It's a new skill idea that introduces the ability to create tradeble "Player-made unique items" Unique in that they are "signed" by the player who made them. I'll have this up and posted in the suggestions forum later today.

 

 

 

(Unfortunately, due to the length and detail of the suggestion, I actually had to set up a special web page and post it there!) I look forward to your comments about this idea.

 

 

 

- Sligo

DII had signed items, they sucked. The idea behind player made unique items isn't the same as current rares. I'll be sure to check out your suggestion, but it'll be a cold day in hell before jagex tries to replace rares with player made unique items...

[icecube]

Pickpockets don't pickpocket to get a porche. Period. As I said before, the effect this would have on scammers would be minimal. I myself have never even SEEN a rare-scammer, as most people who scam don't have/wouldn't risk losing that much money were they to be banned. Yes, there would be some people who'd no longer be able to scam, but you'd get just as many scammers stopped were you to send in a jmod (-the gold crown) into world 1 for an hour or so.

 

 

 

Just as a sidenote, I've seen many many rare scammers in my days. They just put their rares on a level 3 skiller or just a plain noob and go scamming. Skillers are more convincing though.

[Bombing_7000]

Jagex will never do such thing.. If that happen every plyaer that have phat or rares will get piss... wasting most of there time on an untradeble item.. LOL!

 

 

 

~BOMB