Viktorkrum77 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 How do you feel about the UN? And it's leaders, and everything. I will not express my opinion until later, it will take some thought to organize. However, I will say this, I like the UN for helping Kosovo become a country, I think, if it's not eating our tax dollars, or won't end up paying us back. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4u689 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 I think the UN is great in theory - it's the next step in our increasingly globalist world, a higher sovereign power (like the US federal government was the next step to individual state governments after the American Revolutionary War) that logically takes on a more centralized role in the most universal of legal issues (like basic standards of human rights). In practice, there are a lot of problems with it, and it needs major work. ;D Everybody hug and spread the love :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 The idea: brilliant, should be revered and celebrated as a triump of man's willingness to try and cooperate for peace. In practice: it isn't working effectively enough. It's doing a lot of good things, but it's also doing a lot of nothing about some very serious things that should be dealt with. With all the things going on in the world it would be very hard for it to do a perfect job, but to me it could be doing better. Easy to say, I know, but I see the UN as the future for the earth. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk10490 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 No the UN is almost a failure 90% of all Nations in it are underdeveloped 3rd world countrys. And the bigger stronger nations : US, Canada, UK, Germany, and France, have to continously give resources to these countrys. Now I tihnk we should offer some help to these nations so that they can become bigger economic leaders. But they waste the resources we give them and continuosly ask for more. They dont try to get better they just become dependant, all the time. And, its usually the naitons Gov't, not the people. Its better to be judged by twelve, than to be carried by six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 I despise globalism, so the UN is not for me. Other than that, it is a corrupt organization. Of all it's "talk", it has not fought a war since 1953. It's "blue helmet brigade" has supported terrorism by providing public intel on nation's military movements that it does not agree with (in the case of the recent Lebanon invasion by Israel). For all it's intended power, it is useless and is nothing more than a fancy Duma. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 The UN? It's silly. That's all I can really say about it - everything the UN seems to do is silly. It's a whole bunch of people so disconnected with reality I don't even want to say they're corrupt, or that it doesn't work well - they're just silly. It's silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caligula101 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 I think the UN needs to be stronger and start taking more action. Not let countries like America get away with doing whatever it likes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 I think the UN needs to be stronger and start taking more action. Not let countries like America get away with doing whatever it likes... Why not? We don't do anything wrong. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk10490 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Caligula, America cant even breathe without all the countrys all of their [wagon]. If anyone should be paying attention to countrys it should be Africa, there killing people on a biblical scale. Its better to be judged by twelve, than to be carried by six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4u689 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 No the UN is almost a failure 90% of all Nations in it are underdeveloped 3rd world countrys. And the bigger stronger nations : US, Canada, UK, Germany, and France, have to continously give resources to these countrys. Now I tihnk we should offer some help to these nations so that they can become bigger economic leaders. But they waste the resources we give them and continuosly ask for more. They dont try to get better they just become dependant, all the time. And, its usually the naitons Gov't, not the people. So many people are living in poverty in third world countries, or in some places, genocide and mass murders are being committed. If, as I think you were suggesting in another thread, the US has an obligation to protect freedom, then surely giving aid to these 3rd world countries is the most important thing we can do? The UN (ideally, of course... its current incarnation sucks) provides a means through which all the powerful and unpowerful countries can come together and decide where aid is actually important to give. Unfortunately, it's also pretty much but puppet of the US, not a true democratic representation of the world (except for those moments when it gets all offended and makes some action that's basically a statement "Hey!! We're not a puppet of the US!! See!!" and then goes back to being a puppet). Everybody hug and spread the love :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Mad is right; The UN is a crippled half-efficient puppet of the United States. You might want to look at how their veto power is constantly being abused. http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa03.html A lot of resolutions have been tried to be passed to condemn Israel for different atrocities or war crimes it has committed. In most of the cases, every single other nation votes 'Yes', and USA vetoes. Nothing gets done. The security council... http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/me ... tosubj.htm It is still too much based on the old League of Nations system which ensured countries will stay in the league by offering them unlimited veto on everything. Then there is the issue of the general secretary. This is a joke. These people are usually very highly educated and smart people, yet their opinions aren't usually listened to. They are like theatrical monarchs; In reality they are just that; puppets. Everything they say or propose must not be controversial; if they say something 'inappropriate' they will be just overthrown. John Bolton, the US UN ambassador phrased it well: If the UN secretary building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference It's all there just to look "big" in the common man's eye. Until they transform more power to the organisation itself; to political experts and analysts who collect information from citizens based on what changes the people of the world want in the organisation, it's just a joke. Why not let the citizens of the world vote directly for the next General Secretary, on the condition that you can't vote for the candidate in your own country? (To ensure China doesn't always win) The organisation currently is surrounded with clout. The security council is nothing more than a conference room where the biggest countries try to protect their own interests and threaten other, smaller nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk10490 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 No the UN is a place were 3rd world countrys are represented by a new leader everyday and never try to become independant. Its better to be judged by twelve, than to be carried by six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmage099 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 I think the UN needs to be stronger and start taking more action. Not let countries like America get away with doing whatever it likes... Why not? We don't do anything wrong. Depends on who you ask. :) Good plan, bad execution. :notalk: Trix.--quit WoW as of 12/07Thank you 4be2jue for the wonderful sig and avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusqi Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 As far as I can tell, most other countries blame the US for the worlds' problems, and the US blames the UN. All the politicians in every country just want a scapegoat, and so since the US happens to be the biggest at the moment, its politicians blame the UN.... and with the US blaming the UN all the time, it just weakens it. For it is the greyness of dusk that reigns.The time when the living and the dead exist as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak722 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Caligula youre an idiot, America cant even breathe without all the countrys all of their wagon. If anyone should be paying attention to countrys it should be Africa, there killing people on a biblical scale. Start calling people names just because you dont agree with what they said and we will pile drive you head first into the ground. The Enrichment Center reminds you that the weighted companion cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the weighted companion cube does speak, the Enrichment Center urges you to disregard its advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 It's a club where worthless, impotent gariatrics get together and talk about what they could do, then do nothing. Basically, it's the US Congress, only on a world-wide scale. Worthless. I bet they make upper six-figures for participating too. Just like Congress! The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak722 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 It's a club where worthless, impotent gariatrics get together and talk about what they could do, then do nothing. Basically, it's the US Congress, only on a world-wide scale. Worthless. I bet they make upper six-figures for participating too. Just like Congress! Huzzah! :lol: =D> Well in all seriousness, Kofi Annan is going out this December I think. :-k Anyone else of you cynical know-it-alls want to change something about the UN, now would be a good time to show off your mad diplomatic skills. Otherwise the UN will still stay the same way and we can continue to complain about it. -.- The Enrichment Center reminds you that the weighted companion cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the weighted companion cube does speak, the Enrichment Center urges you to disregard its advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk10490 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Why si everyone blaming America? The UN is a failure because lack of communication, but everyone is prepared to point fingers at the US. The Kofi Anan isnt from the US and he runs the damn thing! But yet AMerica is always there to blame. As far as I can tell, most other countries blame the US for the worlds' problems, and the US blames the UN. All the politicians in every country just want a scapegoat, and so since the US happens to be the biggest at the moment, its politicians blame the UN.... and with the US blaming the UN all the time, it just weakens it. And when has the US blamed the UN??? Did you know that the Leauge of Naitons failed because the US didnt join? Its probably the same for the UN. Most of the times its the UN blaming the US. Its better to be judged by twelve, than to be carried by six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caligula101 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 And when has the US blamed the UN??? Did you know that the Leauge of Naitons failed because the US didnt join? Its probably the same for the UN. Most of the times its the UN blaming the US. No the league of nations failed because Germany, Italy and Japan all left and went persuing it's imperialistic conquests. The league had it's successes, granted there were only a few but it wasn't a complete failure. Ironic that the American president, Wilson I think invented the league yet never joined it :-k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk10490 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 No, it was doomed because the US didn't join. Its in textbooks dude. US Congress didnt want US to join, but Woodrow did. Its better to be judged by twelve, than to be carried by six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 No, it was doomed because the US didn't join. Its in textbooks dude. US Congress didnt want US to join, but Woodrow did. ..And North Korean "textbooks" say the whole world mourned when Kim Il-sung passed away, sending gifts, sacrificing bulls and announcing public holidays... The League of Nations didn't "fail" because the US didn't join. The US didn't even want to join in the first place because they were already so involved with european affairs, and the congress didn't give approval. The organisation was still functional without the US who never even intended to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknownmasterofnothing Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 The U.N is l ike a charitable organization, sending troops sometimes to help out, giving enviromental deadlines for countries or to help with living conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCHughes Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Two things I hate about it. One, it's nothing but an international forum for America. Seriously, if it weren't for America, the UN wouldn't have a chance. Nothing apart from American interests are ever addressed. It's basically just an extension of American government, and therefore is worthless. Two, the so-called "Security Council" is ridiculous. Putting 5 countries on it who can never agree on anything was an absurd idea. It doesn't matter what the resolution is, it always gets blocked by China. Even if it were proposed to deliver food to Darfur where there isn't hardly food at all, and where what few curches, schools, and hospitals they have get bombed or shelled every day, China would just veto it and it would just die. UN? UN-intelligent. UN-admirable. UN-ilateral. UN-enforceable. UN-reliable. ANd a whole bunch of other UNs I can't think of. the russians are the best! Hands down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 UN? UN-intelligent. UN-admirable. UN-ilateral. UN-enforceable. UN-reliable. ANd a whole bunch of other UNs I can't think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralinre Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 UN? UN-intelligent. UN-admirable. UN-ilateral. UN-enforceable. UN-reliable. ANd a whole bunch of other UNs I can't think of. "In so far as I am Man I am the chief of creatures. In so far as I am a man I am the chief of sinners." - G.K. Chesterton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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