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I was reading the news and came across this story.

 

 

 

She used cocain and gave it to her kids too. She faces up to 2 years on charges and was released on bail ($8,000).

 

 

 

 

 

I personally thinks she deserves a lot more than that, mostly because of this..

 

Her children also tested positive for marijuana and cocaine metaolites, indicating the cocaine was ingested indirectly.

 

 

 

People like this make me sick..

 

 

 

Your thoughts?

2 years? That's it?

 

What are the US laws on drug supplying? They seem powerfully weak. Kids or not, that idiot of a human being supplied and dealt drugs to the kids. That's gotta be 10+.

I want to go find that lady and smack her.. I live a little under an hour from Iowa City.. :twisted:

That makes me sick! I kinda wish it was the drink she gave them. :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

Stupid American laws are not effective enough in cases like these.

Drugs are a world you clearly don't know anything about. When i was 13 i would have appreciated my parents sparing me some drugs. Even more so when i was 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20. (With 14 i had a more quiet time =P) I can see nothing hateful here. Once you started taking drugs, you'll be aware that drugs are amongst the greatest things on THIS world as it is. After you took them for a prolonged time you may realize that they'll burn you out. No, i wouldn't give drugs to teens. I just know where this story is coming from and can feel into it from my own experience.

 

 

 

Don't hate drug users. Don't even hate "drug dealers". Instead help shaping this world into something where people won't rely on drugs.

Only 2 years?

 

 

 

I recall a story about a kid selling ONE JOINT worth of Marijuana and he got a year just because it was on the edge of a school-ground area. He wasn't even near a school, but he was on the "grounds" that the "Drug-Free School Zone" campaigne said is the schools "zone". One year for that.

 

 

 

This woman had posession, child endangerment and tampering with food. All felonies...And she faces 2 years? "Member the kids that put pot in their teachers brownies and got like 2 years? Yea, exactly.

 

 

 

GG court system.

Drugs are a world you clearly don't know anything about. When i was 13 i would have appreciated my parents sparing me some drugs. Even more so when i was 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20. (With 14 i had a more quiet time =P) I can see nothing hateful here. Once you started taking drugs, you'll be aware that drugs are amongst the greatest things on THIS world as it is. After you took them for a prolonged time you may realize that they'll burn you out. No, i wouldn't give drugs to teens. I just know where this story is coming from and can feel into it from my own experience.

 

 

 

Don't hate drug users. Don't even hate "drug dealers". Instead help shaping this world into something where people won't rely on drugs.

 

 

 

I guess I am just daft, but that didn't really make sense for me. Why should we endorse/support the selling of drugs?

Drugs are a world you clearly don't know anything about. When i was 13 i would have appreciated my parents sparing me some drugs. Even more so when i was 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20. (With 14 i had a more quiet time =P) I can see nothing hateful here. Once you started taking drugs, you'll be aware that drugs are amongst the greatest things on THIS world as it is. After you took them for a prolonged time you may realize that they'll burn you out. No, i wouldn't give drugs to teens. I just know where this story is coming from and can feel into it from my own experience.

 

 

 

Don't hate drug users. Don't even hate "drug dealers". Instead help shaping this world into something where people won't rely on drugs.

 

 

 

I guess I am just daft, but that didn't really make sense for me. Why should we endorse/support the selling of drugs?

 

 

 

 

 

The problem is that there is a demand for drugs. That becomes evident if you count cigarettes, alcohol and all those nice little pills you can get from your doctor in. You can't get rid of the supply as long as there is demand. It's easy to blame people who sell drugs, but putting the blame never helped making anything better. Basically this is off topic though, since the thread is about this family.

Drugs are a world you clearly don't know anything about. When i was 13 i would have appreciated my parents sparing me some drugs. Even more so when i was 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20. (With 14 i had a more quiet time =P) I can see nothing hateful here. Once you started taking drugs, you'll be aware that drugs are amongst the greatest things on THIS world as it is. After you took them for a prolonged time you may realize that they'll burn you out. No, i wouldn't give drugs to teens. I just know where this story is coming from and can feel into it from my own experience.

 

 

 

Don't hate drug users. Don't even hate "drug dealers". Instead help shaping this world into something where people won't rely on drugs.

 

 

 

I guess I am just daft, but that didn't really make sense for me. Why should we endorse/support the selling of drugs?

 

 

 

 

 

The problem is that there is a demand for drugs. That becomes evident if you count cigarettes, alcohol and all those nice little pills you can get from your doctor in. You can't get rid of the supply as long as there is demand. It's easy to blame people who sell drugs, but putting the blame never helped making anything better. Basically this is off topic though, since the thread is about this family.

 

 

 

Yeah, we agree there is a demand but that's a bad thing. Alcohol, cigs, and those pills are legal. We want to get rid of the demand as well as the supply. We blame them for selling it. For providing the kisd with the stuff (which is illegal).

2 years? That's it?

 

What are the US laws on drug supplying? They seem powerfully weak. Kids or not, that idiot of a human being supplied and dealt drugs to the kids. That's gotta be 10+.

 

 

 

You'll find that US laws mean nothing to some judges. In Vermont, recently, a judge let a convicted child molestor out of prison after one day (maybe it was one week? Either way...pethetically small...)

Kelem_ryu is right. The negativeness of drugs is totally objective; Naturally most western societies are brainwashed into thinking it's a negative influence on us, yet we keep using cigarettes, alcohol and overdosing prescription drugs that can have even worse effects.

 

 

 

I've never tried any drugs myself, but I've read about them and heard about people in real life too much to think about them too negatively. It could be the best thing in the world, but I'll not risk addiction anyways (just like I wont with alcohol).

 

 

 

In America, some native americans are even allowed to use Marijuana as a treatment for certain diseases because they have been using it for centuries.

 

 

 

On the other hand I don't agree at all with using hard drugs like heroin/cocaine. It is far too expensive (often over $500/1 gram) to be consumed frequently by an average person, which will very often lead to criminal activity to finance the drugs.

 

 

 

They also cause extreme addictiveness which is next to impossible to cure, because the effects are also physical and modify your brain cells for good.

 

 

 

It's also worthy to note that in the Netherlands, which is a very liberal country in Europe, drugs aren't even illegal. Less people die of Marijuana every year than of alcohol. In fact, I haven't even seen statistics proving deaths directly linked to light drugs like Marijuana.

 

 

 

That mother is sick though; There's no justification for giving a young child cocaine and possibly ruining his/her life. She has no common sense.

 

 

 

Alcohol, cigs, and those pills are legal.

 

 

 

Yeah, and marijuana is legal in the Netherlands. What's your point? Just because something is legal it doesn't mean it's somehow "better". Laws are just a bunch of text accepted by the public opinion to be true. Public opinion can be swayed one way or another.

 

 

 

2 years? That's it?

 

What are the US laws on drug supplying? They seem powerfully weak. Kids or not, that idiot of a human being supplied and dealt drugs to the kids. That's gotta be 10+.

 

 

 

You'll find that US laws mean nothing to some judges. In Vermont, recently, a judge let a convicted child molestor out of prison after one day (maybe it was one week? Either way...pethetically small...)

 

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181498,00.html

 

 

 

That judge seriously needs to get his head checked. And it was 60 days, which is a laugh when comparing to the magnitude of the crime.

 

Yeah, we agree there is a demand but that's a bad thing. Alcohol, cigs, and those pills are legal. We want to get rid of the demand as well as the supply. We blame them for selling it. For providing the kisd with the stuff (which is illegal).

 

 

 

Get rid of this ridiculous picture of the bad, bad drug dealers make our innocent little kids drug addicts.

 

I never was tempted by anybody to take drugs. A classmate asked me if i want to come to his place and smoke some hash after school. Since i was bored out of my mind and this sounded interesting i accepted and since i liked it i continued to smoke. Eventually it became a habit. Drugs make you feel good (that's not so true for cigarettes). It's natural to do something that makes you feel good. Eventually you may realize that they also [bleep] you up. They still make you feel good though. So you have to make the decision between feeling good and [bleep]ing yourself, or feeling normal. After a while of doing drugs, it is a shock to your whole system to perceive the world normally.

 

 

 

btw i really, really don't care what's legal or illegal. I have a strong sense of moral. I just care about what is right and what's wrong. And the world isn't black/white.

 

 

 

You CAN'T get rid of the supply as long as there is demand.

I have to say that I have often argued for the legalisation of all drugs for those over the age of 16/18 (not sure at that point). I don't want to have to explain it here, as I can write at least 10,000 words on the subject, and, to justify myself properly, would take a decent essay, which i really don't want to produce. How ever, giving it to children under the age of 16 is not a good thing. If they are unable to consent to sex, which is, in my opinion, less harmfull, then they are unable to decide wether they want to risk the addiction and dangerous side effects of certain drugs - they can't smoke or drink until they are 16/18 here anyway, so other drugs are out of the question until that age. So, parents giving it to children means that they are unable to make a free choice, and are encouraged into engaging in a potentialy damaging habit, which has destoryed many lives and families + is currently outside the law, so harder to get support for it.

 

 

 

EDIT: in response to the post above me, I would draw attention to Sigmund Freud, who, after developing virulent mouth cancer that meant he couldn't open his mouth by himself, he stuck a wedge in it so he could smoke the cigars that were the cause of the cancer. I support the individual's right to chose, so long as it does not adversly effect others. I think that what this mother did was wrong, as, surely, the biggest influence of all would come from your parents. However, we cannot ensure that all individuals are able to make un-influenced choices (almost every choice you will make will be influenced), and, for me, religious induction at an early age presents at least that same, if not bigger, problem for the development of a child.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181498,00.html

 

 

 

That judge seriously needs to get his head checked. And it was 60 days, which is a laugh when comparing to the magnitude of the crime.

 

 

 

60 days? I need to listen better... :P

Damn I hate people like that, can't we just have them all promptly killed. The world would be an alot better place without them. Harsh but very true.

Damn I hate people like that, can't we just have them all promptly killed. The world would be an alot better place without them. Harsh but very true.

 

 

 

yeh! and gays! and blacks! and alcholics! and people that wear pink on fridays! and everyone who doesn't read the Daily Mail!

 

 

 

Then we can form a tolerant liberal democracy based on understanding with all those wierdos gone.

Damn I hate people like that, can't we just have them all promptly killed. The world would be an alot better place without them. Harsh but very true.

 

 

 

..Fortunately truth is subjective and people like you (hopefully) either radically change their opinions when they grow out of their teens or simply don't stand a chance in achieving a position where you can judge people to death.

Great! Now the mother of these kids is in jail. Good for their psyche i suppose.

 

 

 

(on a sidenote: It still seems people have the impression, that if you'd take a random happy person and force him/her to take drugs once or even over the course of a week, he/she will be addicted. That's wrong. People get addicted because they like the effect of the drug.)

 

 

 

I can't shake the feeling that i'm discussing with people who know nothing about drugs but what they read or heard. Let's oint something out for the record: i don't do drugs anymore. I had to stop because my mental health was terribly [bleep]ed. After three years i still don't feel completely recovered.

 

Nevertheless.. i have first hand experience and it's amazing to see that most peoples opinions on this subject are complete stereotypes.

 

 

 

 

 

Children who's mother does drugs are bound to take drugs themselves. Who tells you that the mother encouraged them? It's not as if this family was living on an island. Most likely there are many people around them doing drugs also. That's the way it is. In not so sheltered neighborhoods drugs are everywhere. Just because the mother is in jail the kids won't stop doing srugs and one reason why they cotinue taking them might be, because their mother is in jail.

I have a friend whose father would often "smoke up" (marijuana) with her and her brother (after they were age 13 or so). The father and these two kids had a great relationship, were very open and honest with each other, and enjoyed each other's company. The daughter now goes to Wesleyan University and the son now goes to Yale University, both very respected universities.

 

 

 

I'm not saying drugs are good; I'm saying they're not universally bad. Also, parents giving drugs to their children in a controlled way can, similarly, be "not bad."

yeh! and gays! and alcholics! and people that wear pink on fridays! and Daily Mail readers!

 

 

 

Then we can form a tolerant liberal democracy based on acceptance with all those wierdos gone.

 

 

 

Don't mock me, if it was up to me my little green smilie would be sniping the scum that lingers on this earth, like a parasite to an open wound? I see that as a better idea to be honest. If it was up to you we could all skip hand in hand as equals knowing that the good people are working hard while people like this woman happily give drugs to their kids safe in the knowledge they'll only get a few weeks in prison then be back on benefits. But that's just my opinion...We clashed on my underage pregnancies policies didn't we?

Great! Now the mother of these kids is in jail. Good for their psyche i suppose.

 

 

 

(on a sidenote: It still seems people have the impression, that if you'd take a random happy person and force him/her to take drugs once or even over the course of a week, he/she will be addicted. That's wrong. People get addicted because they like the effect of the drug.)

 

 

 

I can't shake the feeling that i'm discussing with people who know nothing about drugs but what they read or heard. Let's oint something out for the record: i don't do drugs anymore. I had to stop because my mental health was terribly *. After three years i still don't feel completely recovered.

 

Nevertheless.. i have first hand experience and it's amazing to see that most peoples opinions on this subject are complete stereotypes.

 

 

 

 

 

Children who's mother does drugs are bound to take drugs themselves. Who tells you that the mother encouraged them? It's not as if this family was living on an island. Most likely there are many people around them doing drugs also. That's the way it is. In not so sheltered neighborhoods drugs are everywhere. Just because the mother is in jail the kids won't stop doing srugs and one reason why they cotinue taking them might be, because their mother is in jail.

 

 

 

I can't help but get the feeling that, despite you having done drugs, you know very little academic information about drugs and drug use.

Yeah, the law is quite strange. You get 4 years of prison time for molesting a child, and 40 years for stealing money.

yeh! and gays! and alcholics! and people that wear pink on fridays! and Daily Mail readers!

 

 

 

Then we can form a tolerant liberal democracy based on acceptance with all those wierdos gone.

 

 

 

Don't mock me, if it was up to me my little green smilie would be sniping the scum that lingers on this earth, like a parasite to an open wound? I see that as a better idea to be honest. If it was up to you we could all skip hand in hand as equals knowing that the good people are working hard while people like this woman happily give drugs to their kids safe in the knowledge they'll only get a few weeks in prison then be back on benefits. But that's just my opinion...We clashed on my underage pregnancies policies didn't we?

 

 

 

we are going to clash on everything until you stop thinking in absolutes. The is only one moral absloute - that there are no moral absolutes.

yeh! and gays! and alcholics! and people that wear pink on fridays! and Daily Mail readers!

 

 

 

Then we can form a tolerant liberal democracy based on acceptance with all those wierdos gone.

 

 

 

Don't mock me, if it was up to me my little green smilie would be sniping the scum that lingers on this earth, like a parasite to an open wound? I see that as a better idea to be honest. If it was up to you we could all skip hand in hand as equals knowing that the good people are working hard while people like this woman happily give drugs to their kids safe in the knowledge they'll only get a few weeks in prison then be back on benefits. But that's just my opinion...We clashed on my underage pregnancies policies didn't we?

 

 

 

we are going to clash on everything until you stop thinking in absolutes. The is only one moral absloute - that there are no moral absolutes.

 

 

 

That's an absolute - it's not a moral absolute.

I have to say that I have often argued for the legalisation of all drugs for those over the age of 16/18 (not sure at that point). I don't want to have to explain it here, as I can write at least 10,000 words on the subject, and, to justify myself properly, would take a decent essay, which i really don't want to produce. How ever, giving it to children under the age of 16 is not a good thing. If they are unable to consent to sex, which is, in my opinion, less harmfull, then they are unable to decide wether they want to risk the addiction and dangerous side effects of certain drugs - they can't smoke or drink until they are 16/18 here anyway, so other drugs are out of the question until that age. So, parents giving it to children means that they are unable to make a free choice, and are encouraged into engaging in a potentialy damaging habit, which has destoryed many lives and families + is currently outside the law, so harder to get support for it.

 

 

 

EDIT: in response to the post above me, I would draw attention to Sigmund Freud, who, after developing virulent mouth cancer that meant he couldn't open his mouth by himself, he stuck a wedge in it so he could smoke the cigars that were the cause of the cancer. I support the individual's right to chose, so long as it does not adversly effect others. I think that what this mother did was wrong, as, surely, the biggest influence of all would come from your parents. However, we cannot ensure that all individuals are able to make un-influenced choices (almost every choice you will make will be influenced), and, for me, religious induction at an early age presents at least that same, if not bigger, problem for the development of a child.

 

 

 

Good post.

 

 

 

Well free choice. Nobody is an island. There are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

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oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many external influences to your believes, opinions and choices, that even if you dedicate your whole life into getting rid of those influences you likely won't be successful.

 

 

 

It's an instinct to protect children. I think the lengths we take to ensure their protection are absurd and completely irrational. It's not love, it's instinct.

 

 

 

You should discourage everybody to abuse (I don't even think that taking drugs is automatically abusing them) drugs. That this mother didn't (successfully) discourage he kids is unfortunate, but sending her to jail won't make things any better.