mad4u689 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 ^ I guess I'm just speaking directly to ratial quotas then. Sure, there are plenty of examples of ratial stereotypes, but that doesn't mean that it is the norm. I don't think that given the same enviroment, the majority of blacks are going to have a harder time than whites. From my experience, blacks that grew up in the same social class as myself have been over-compensated for something they aren't lacking, and had a much more competitive edge in school. I know of three girls in my year off the top of my head who were awarded five or more scholarships that I could have been competitive for just because they were black. Two of these girls live in the same neighborhood as me, and the other lives in a neighborhood much more well off than myself. I don't think being black is ever a reason to give anyone any sort of special treatment. Even if there was discrimination going on (which there is, but I don't think it is the norm as I said), giving special treatment is not the way to combat it. Fighting discrimination, not giving blacks special treatment is the only way we can get past this. I know for a fact that the majority of white males resent black people when they know that they have been given an unfair advantage. It pisses me off that those girls could get as many scholarships as they could solely because of their skin color, when I know that they didn't need it any more than I did - they didn't deserve it anymore than I did - it just so happens they are black. I'm just arguing why skin color and race IS a meaningful aspect to having a diverse group of people :D I am not (at the moment) arguing that suffering hardships makes you automatically deserving of reward. Also, I don't know about you, but if you've ever sat in a lunchroom, do you notice that the black kids and the white kids tend to not sit together, in general? Maybe your school is an exception, which would be fantastic :D But this self-segregation is a large issue most places in the country, and if people are living in segregated (and thus separate) spheres, of course their experiences will be different. Everybody hug and spread the love :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Also, I don't know about you, but if you've ever sat in a lunchroom, do you notice that the black kids and the white kids tend to not sit together, in general? Maybe your school is an exception, which would be fantastic :D But this self-segregation is a large issue most places in the country, and if people are living in segregated (and thus separate) spheres, of course their experiences will be different. In the lunchroom at my high school, the kids from the "not very good side of town" sat together. Those kids were predominantly black, yes, but not entirely. Where they are sitting had nothing to do with their skin color and everything to do with their social status. Which is my point. (The black kids who didn't come from that part of town mixed in with everyone else.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4u689 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 In the lunchroom at my high school, the kids from the "not very good side of town" sat together. Those kids were predominantly black, yes, but not entirely. Where they are sitting had nothing to do with their skin color and everything to do with their social status. Which is my point. (The black kids who didn't come from that part of town mixed in with everyone else.) Yeah, you have a point. I do agree that racial (as opposed to economic / social) affirmative action is overplayed. However, experience has led me to believe that race does play at least some (and sometimes significant) role. But I do agree that affirmative action should be based more on how you did GIVEN YOUR SITUATION, which is often more a result of economic factors than racial ones. :) Everybody hug and spread the love :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnip Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I heard a story about my mom's workplace. The woman in charge of choosing job applicants to interview tossed out the application of someone named "Latisha." My mom asked why, and the woman replied, with a look, that "Oh - John [their boss] wouldn't want me to bother with someone named Latisha." The woman blamed the boss, but the boss probably wouldn't have cared, and my mom remained silent. My mom was skeptical, but didn't say anything to the boss. Latisha never got interviewed. My mom told me this story, and I didn't do anything about it, either. Is this fair? No. Is this something that still happens in our society? Sadly, yes. This is just an example of the prejudice that confronts our society today and that causes someone black and someone white to have very different experiences, even if they grew up with economic privilege. See, the difference between what occurred in your mother's situation and what's occurring in schools nowadays are different IMHO. Where I am, people are fairly well off, and thus the economic hardships that many black people face in other areas isn't relevant. As a result, I believe that they should be judged with the same expectations as any other student be cause really, they haven't had anything weighing down on them. In your story, the woman was not even given a chance; she was simply tossed into the no interview pile based off her name solely. To solve the issue, I believe that the concept of Affirmative Action should be based upon economic/living conditions where AREAS instead of race would be the supporting factor in giving lee-way to students that aren't necessarily scoring to expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted November 9, 2006 Author Share Posted November 9, 2006 Well needed bump. There's apparently some AA discussion going on. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest XplsvBam Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Disclaimer: No, I am not racist in anyway, shape, or form. But I do feel Afirmative Action is unfair. It is what I call, 'reverse discrimination', a recent trend. I mean, I know rich black people, and I know poor white people. Instead of race, it should be based off your family income. It is already, but I got really ticked off when I read on a college survey, 'Please fill in your race, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. So I go to fill in white (the majority of America's population is white). I scroll down the list, after about 20 ethnicities I see 'white', the second to last selection next to 'other'. It's minor, but it still got me ticked off. All this trying to promote diversity and equality has lead America into unequality, except it's completley backwards. I don't want to be told I can't say or recieve something based upon my race, something that I can't control in anyway. With goverment money being given away as scholarships aka afirmative action. I am appauled by the fact that it isn't income. Why couldn't the question be, 'Please fill in your familes annual income if you know it, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. Anyways, if this thread offends anyone, then just put yourself in the other persons shoes. I would agree with you, but the problem is we don't see everything we can't even imagine what every single person goes through. So it may appear that its unfair but some people really do get screwed over if they are born black in the wrong area. Not because of discrimination but because of poverty, of course white people can also be poor but most times then not its that white persons own fault (not always.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam007 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Disclaimer: No, I am not racist in anyway, shape, or form. But I do feel Afirmative Action is unfair. It is what I call, 'reverse discrimination', a recent trend. I mean, I know rich black people, and I know poor white people. Instead of race, it should be based off your family income. It is already, but I got really ticked off when I read on a college survey, 'Please fill in your race, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. So I go to fill in white (the majority of America's population is white). I scroll down the list, after about 20 ethnicities I see 'white', the second to last selection next to 'other'. It's minor, but it still got me ticked off. All this trying to promote diversity and equality has lead America into unequality, except it's completley backwards. I don't want to be told I can't say or recieve something based upon my race, something that I can't control in anyway. With goverment money being given away as scholarships aka afirmative action. I am appauled by the fact that it isn't income. Why couldn't the question be, 'Please fill in your familes annual income if you know it, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. Anyways, if this thread offends anyone, then just put yourself in the other persons shoes. I would agree with you, but the problem is we don't see everything we can't even imagine what every single person goes through. So it may appear that its unfair but some people really do get screwed over if they are born black in the wrong area. Not because of discrimination but because of poverty, of course white people can also be poor but most times then not its that white persons own fault (not always.) Is it just me or does that sound stupid? If a black person is poor they deserve some kind of compensation, but if a white person is poor they deserve it? The only way I do support any form of AA is if it's based on economic factors. Looking at anything with the race angle is just too flawed and you can't generalize an entire person based off their skin color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted November 9, 2006 Author Share Posted November 9, 2006 Disclaimer: No, I am not racist in anyway, shape, or form. But I do feel Afirmative Action is unfair. It is what I call, 'reverse discrimination', a recent trend. I mean, I know rich black people, and I know poor white people. Instead of race, it should be based off your family income. It is already, but I got really ticked off when I read on a college survey, 'Please fill in your race, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. So I go to fill in white (the majority of America's population is white). I scroll down the list, after about 20 ethnicities I see 'white', the second to last selection next to 'other'. It's minor, but it still got me ticked off. All this trying to promote diversity and equality has lead America into unequality, except it's completley backwards. I don't want to be told I can't say or recieve something based upon my race, something that I can't control in anyway. With goverment money being given away as scholarships aka afirmative action. I am appauled by the fact that it isn't income. Why couldn't the question be, 'Please fill in your familes annual income if you know it, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. Anyways, if this thread offends anyone, then just put yourself in the other persons shoes. I would agree with you, but the problem is we don't see everything we can't even imagine what every single person goes through. So it may appear that its unfair but some people really do get screwed over if they are born black in the wrong area. Not because of discrimination but because of poverty, of course white people can also be poor but most times then not its that white persons own fault (not always.) Is it just me or does that sound stupid? If a black person is poor they deserve some kind of compensation, but if a white person is poor they deserve it? The only way I do support any form of AA is if it's based on economic factors. Looking at anything with the race angle is just too flawed and you can't generalize an entire person based off their skin color. Yea, ditto to the economical factors part. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest XplsvBam Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Disclaimer: No, I am not racist in anyway, shape, or form. But I do feel Afirmative Action is unfair. It is what I call, 'reverse discrimination', a recent trend. I mean, I know rich black people, and I know poor white people. Instead of race, it should be based off your family income. It is already, but I got really ticked off when I read on a college survey, 'Please fill in your race, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. So I go to fill in white (the majority of America's population is white). I scroll down the list, after about 20 ethnicities I see 'white', the second to last selection next to 'other'. It's minor, but it still got me ticked off. All this trying to promote diversity and equality has lead America into unequality, except it's completley backwards. I don't want to be told I can't say or recieve something based upon my race, something that I can't control in anyway. With goverment money being given away as scholarships aka afirmative action. I am appauled by the fact that it isn't income. Why couldn't the question be, 'Please fill in your familes annual income if you know it, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. Anyways, if this thread offends anyone, then just put yourself in the other persons shoes. I would agree with you, but the problem is we don't see everything we can't even imagine what every single person goes through. So it may appear that its unfair but some people really do get screwed over if they are born black in the wrong area. Not because of discrimination but because of poverty, of course white people can also be poor but most times then not its that white persons own fault (not always.) Is it just me or does that sound stupid? If a black person is poor they deserve some kind of compensation, but if a white person is poor they deserve it? The only way I do support any form of AA is if it's based on economic factors. Looking at anything with the race angle is just too flawed and you can't generalize an entire person based off their skin color. You are very ignorant, have you even been in a poverty area? Black or white? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam007 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Disclaimer: No, I am not racist in anyway, shape, or form. But I do feel Afirmative Action is unfair. It is what I call, 'reverse discrimination', a recent trend. I mean, I know rich black people, and I know poor white people. Instead of race, it should be based off your family income. It is already, but I got really ticked off when I read on a college survey, 'Please fill in your race, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. So I go to fill in white (the majority of America's population is white). I scroll down the list, after about 20 ethnicities I see 'white', the second to last selection next to 'other'. It's minor, but it still got me ticked off. All this trying to promote diversity and equality has lead America into unequality, except it's completley backwards. I don't want to be told I can't say or recieve something based upon my race, something that I can't control in anyway. With goverment money being given away as scholarships aka afirmative action. I am appauled by the fact that it isn't income. Why couldn't the question be, 'Please fill in your familes annual income if you know it, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. Anyways, if this thread offends anyone, then just put yourself in the other persons shoes. I would agree with you, but the problem is we don't see everything we can't even imagine what every single person goes through. So it may appear that its unfair but some people really do get screwed over if they are born black in the wrong area. Not because of discrimination but because of poverty, of course white people can also be poor but most times then not its that white persons own fault (not always.) Is it just me or does that sound stupid? If a black person is poor they deserve some kind of compensation, but if a white person is poor they deserve it? The only way I do support any form of AA is if it's based on economic factors. Looking at anything with the race angle is just too flawed and you can't generalize an entire person based off their skin color. You are very ignorant, have you even been in a poverty area? Black or white? Can't say I have, but have you ever elaborated on a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted November 9, 2006 Author Share Posted November 9, 2006 Disclaimer: No, I am not racist in anyway, shape, or form. But I do feel Afirmative Action is unfair. It is what I call, 'reverse discrimination', a recent trend. I mean, I know rich black people, and I know poor white people. Instead of race, it should be based off your family income. It is already, but I got really ticked off when I read on a college survey, 'Please fill in your race, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. So I go to fill in white (the majority of America's population is white). I scroll down the list, after about 20 ethnicities I see 'white', the second to last selection next to 'other'. It's minor, but it still got me ticked off. All this trying to promote diversity and equality has lead America into unequality, except it's completley backwards. I don't want to be told I can't say or recieve something based upon my race, something that I can't control in anyway. With goverment money being given away as scholarships aka afirmative action. I am appauled by the fact that it isn't income. Why couldn't the question be, 'Please fill in your familes annual income if you know it, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. Anyways, if this thread offends anyone, then just put yourself in the other persons shoes. I would agree with you, but the problem is we don't see everything we can't even imagine what every single person goes through. So it may appear that its unfair but some people really do get screwed over if they are born black in the wrong area. Not because of discrimination but because of poverty, of course white people can also be poor but most times then not its that white persons own fault (not always.) Is it just me or does that sound stupid? If a black person is poor they deserve some kind of compensation, but if a white person is poor they deserve it? The only way I do support any form of AA is if it's based on economic factors. Looking at anything with the race angle is just too flawed and you can't generalize an entire person based off their skin color. You are very ignorant, have you even been in a poverty area? Black or white? Can't say I have, but have you ever elaborated on a point? I'd sig that if it would make sense out of context. =D> =D> =D> Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Disclaimer: No, I am not racist in anyway, shape, or form. But I do feel Afirmative Action is unfair. It is what I call, 'reverse discrimination', a recent trend. I mean, I know rich black people, and I know poor white people. Instead of race, it should be based off your family income. It is already, but I got really ticked off when I read on a college survey, 'Please fill in your race, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. So I go to fill in white (the majority of America's population is white). I scroll down the list, after about 20 ethnicities I see 'white', the second to last selection next to 'other'. It's minor, but it still got me ticked off. All this trying to promote diversity and equality has lead America into unequality, except it's completley backwards. I don't want to be told I can't say or recieve something based upon my race, something that I can't control in anyway. With goverment money being given away as scholarships aka afirmative action. I am appauled by the fact that it isn't income. Why couldn't the question be, 'Please fill in your familes annual income if you know it, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. Anyways, if this thread offends anyone, then just put yourself in the other persons shoes. Yes, I've experienced that. When I moved to this place, not going to say, I got the option of chosing which school I wanted to go to under their "School Choice Program." I couldn't go to a predominately white school because since I'm white, it would up set the "racial balance." The only other school I could go to was a 60% African American school. (I'm not racist.) But, I preferred the former school because I felt I might receive a better education. In fact I was correct. The latter school is what I was forced to go to, the teachers do not know what they are doing, and they are constantly getting sued and the state government is threatening to take control due to their lack of educating to the state standards. In fact, I should bring this up with some court. I could easily sue them for violating the first amendment because you cannot descriminate against color. They basically told me I could not go to the first school I mentioned just because I was white, which is insane. SWAG Mayn U wanna be like me but U can't be me cuz U ain't got ma swagga on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrencekill Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Disclaimer: No, I am not racist in anyway, shape, or form. But I do feel Afirmative Action is unfair. It is what I call, 'reverse discrimination', a recent trend. I mean, I know rich black people, and I know poor white people. Instead of race, it should be based off your family income. It is already, but I got really ticked off when I read on a college survey, 'Please fill in your race, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. So I go to fill in white (the majority of America's population is white). I scroll down the list, after about 20 ethnicities I see 'white', the second to last selection next to 'other'. It's minor, but it still got me ticked off. All this trying to promote diversity and equality has lead America into unequality, except it's completley backwards. I don't want to be told I can't say or recieve something based upon my race, something that I can't control in anyway. With goverment money being given away as scholarships aka afirmative action. I am appauled by the fact that it isn't income. Why couldn't the question be, 'Please fill in your familes annual income if you know it, you may be able to recieve special scholarships'. Anyways, if this thread offends anyone, then just put yourself in the other persons shoes. Yes, I've experienced that. When I moved to this place, not going to say, I got the option of chosing which school I wanted to go to under their "School Choice Program." I couldn't go to a predominately white school because since I'm white, it would up set the "racial balance." The only other school I could go to was a 60% African American school. (I'm not racist.) But, I preferred the former school because I felt I might receive a better education. In fact I was correct. The latter school is what I was forced to go to, the teachers do not know what they are doing, and they are constantly getting sued and the state government is threatening to take control due to their lack of educating to the state standards. In fact, I should bring this up with some court. I could easily sue them for violating the first amendment because you cannot descriminate against color. They basically told me I could not go to the first school I mentioned just because I was white, which is insane. Then go ahead and sue them for all they're worth. Seriously, there's too much steriotyping about race. People are given advantages simply because they are a minority race. Skin color should not affect their thinking abilities, physical characteristics, etc. But places want a diverse group, so an average minority, may get a position in a job or other, that an overachieving majority may not get. Economic factors are better indicators than looking at peoples' skin colors. If you have to opportunity to pursue a good education (say your parents were rich and willing to spend on sound education), you get average grades, but you are a minority race, I don't think you should be given an advantage because you have already had so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragen Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 That we give help to a certain race above another just reconsides that they should be treated differently. Which is total BS. Thanks Venomai for this super sig and Kwimbob for the awesome avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issy2 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Affirmative action in itself is racism. :? Well, I think it is anyway. As Ragen said, it's giving advantages to one race over another... which sounds quite like it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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