Your Greatest Wish?

[Guest XplsvBam]

Eh, animals commit all kinds of things naturally - murder, etc... And there are animals which are infact gay. Yet you bring out the unnatural card? Because something is natural does not mean it's right... Nor if something is unnatural does it make it right.

 

 

 

And guess what? Drugs are natural. Substances that affect the state of mind of a living animal have been around for a long, long time. Computers are not natural, either, yet you're not against them... Why? Cars and bikes are not natural either... Nor is clothing, nor is most things you take for granted. But because you state 'homosexuality' is 'not natural' it's 'wrong'? And also, since when does something natural make it right?

 

 

 

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But to answer the topics question... I would wish that I never had a wish, since the effects of a wish could be dramatic and resounding throughout the world and such, that there is no way to wholey understand the effect of a wish. Since I would not like to be known as one who destroyed society and the world before I died, I would simply not wish for anything or wish the wish away.

If animals are equals to humans why don't people just take dumps in the middle of the street? If they aren't equals then why the hell are you comparing humans to animals?

 

 

 

Drugs aren't natural... They CHANGE the state of your mind. Computers, are a tool, just like a fork. There is a difference abominations and tools...

 

^^hmm yeah im pretty much in agreement with you. It isn't logical in anyway what so ever and as you mentioned it is just lust and where does that get us? I don't believe people are paticularly born with it however, it's just a matter or re-educating people in the correct fashion. The society where we live in today has become so lenient that anything goes, morals are gone, you can do anything you like with anyone any gender. Nobody imposes rules on these sort of things anymore. I mean I thought we were civilised.

 

 

 

To think, the past hundreds of years we have opted for more rights and more equality and more freedom.

ah, touche'. How far would you go for freedom? Throw morals out the window maybe?

[Veiva]

If animals are equals to humans why don't people just take dumps in the middle of the street? If they aren't equals then why the hell are you comparing humans to animals?

 

 

 

Exactly my point. You are saying homosexuality isn't natural, yet it is. You are saying because something doesn't happen in nature that it is not right. You can't go on saying 'homosexuality isn't natural' if you don't think people should 'take dumps in the middle of the street' as you so elegantly worded it.

 

 

 

Funny thing is, infact, homosexuality is natural, as it accures in nature. Computers don't accure in nature, nor does clothing, nor does television, or any of those fancy things you most likely take for granted everyday of your life. Yet, because it works to you're way, it's unnatural? And something occuring naturally doesn't mean it's right when it's not to your advantage, such as murder? Yet because homosexuality is unnatural it's not right?

 

 

 

Drugs aren't natural... They CHANGE the state of your mind. Computers, are a tool, just like a fork. There is a difference abominations and tools...

 

 

 

Marijauna, toadstools, etc are as natural as you're going to get. They grow in the wild and are considered drugs. Saying that aren't natural is impossible, since 'nature' created them, not humans or animals... I can't see how drugs aren't natural, when they accure in nature, and yet computers are natural, yet they do not accure in nature...

 

 

 

ah, touche'. How far would you go for freedom? Throw morals out the window maybe?

 

 

 

Entire freedom would be anarchy. Anarchy does not mean morals are thrown out the window, since people would still have their morals. Simply people being free does not entail any loss in morals in the least bit. And morals are defined by the culture and person, not by anything else. Culture's change and so does a person, so during this process of change a person's morals would also change, and so would a culture's morals change.

[assassin_696]

There is a purpose for everything. A turtle has a shell for protection. A bird has wings to fly. There is no reason for homosexuality except lust, and to me thats not a good enough reason.

 

 

 

So to you there is no reason for love? Because you don't need love for reproduction or anything. But it's one of the most sought after states of being.

NOTE: I'm NOT A HATER, I JUST DON'T APRROVE OF HARMFUL DECISIONS.

 

Little girl #1:"I love my shoes"

 

Little girl #2:"Then why don't you marry it."

 

 

 

Marriage is between a man and a women... that simple. Some people love their pets why don't they marry them? Some nerds love there computers, why don't they get married?

 

 

 

Homosexuality isn't natural.

 

 

 

Back to the marriage arugument. Homosexuals think they deserve the same rights as hetersexuals. The thing is hetersexuals actually give something back to the community, for example: OFFSPRING.

 

 

 

Well lets say you are againts something like incest? How is incest any different then homosexuality? Or what about cloning? Are you againts it? Stem-cell research? Animal tested products? Animal cruelty? Human/animal breeding? Prositution? AdultsOnly? Drug abuse?

 

 

 

Want to know what all these things have in common with homosexuality? They are all not natural.

 

 

 

Now onto the "they are born with it" argument. I'm a guy, and am chalk full of hormones. Just because I am born with these horny feelings dosn't give me a right to rail a girl based on these feelings in public (or private for that matter).

 

 

 

VALUES. If you don't have values

 

A.) This discussion you could care less about.

 

B.) YOU are responsible for the downfall of society.

 

 

 

I do agree that is someones choice to do as they please. If someone wants to by an ugly pair of pants I may disagree but ultimatly I have no say. But when it comes to homosexual marriage I do have a say because it does affect me and will effect my kids. I wouldn't want my kids to be exposed to incest because its not natural and for that same reason I wouldn't want that kid to have to go to school with a kid that has 2 mommys/daddys.

 

 

 

[/myopinion]

 

 

 

ps. you can disagree but thats not going to change MY principles.

 

 

 

I think you have a confused view of what is and what is not natural. Homosexuality is a preference, yes, but one that relies on signals from the brain that find the same sex attractive. This is a natural process.

 

 

 

Since when does giving rights to people have anything to do with what they give back to the community? Sure, heterosexuals might give offspring, but they might not. They might also bring crime, violence and degredation of the community as well as their offspring. Homosexuals on the other hand might bring other beneficial aspects to the community that maybe you can't measure in terms of new life. It should be based on the individual not the stereotype.

 

 

 

Your view of love is also confused. I wasn't talking about saying "oh yeah i love band-x" because that isn't the love i was talking about. I was talking about true love for another human being, regardless of sex. Some could argue that's simply a jumped up version of lust so why do the straight lovers get more rights than the homosexual ones?

 

 

 

How is incest different from homosexuality? For a start it's a lot less biologically natural, and could lead to inbreeding etc. etc.

 

 

 

As for all the other questions I don't see your point. Stem cell research might not be a natural process, but does that make it a bad thing? In my eyes, no, it could save so many lives and cure so many diseases I don't have a problem with it if it's not "natural".

 

 

 

As for your hormones, since when do homosexuals "rail" other guys in public? In fact they're probably much more conservative about their preferences than straight guys.

 

 

 

Just a couple of questions to help me understand your view.

 

Define what you consider "natural"

 

Are you a homophobe?

[Anesthesia]

Cocaine. It comes from the coca leaf. Find a coca leaf where it naturally occurs in Columbia, chew it and congratulations - you're high on cocaine - THE DRUG. How is that not natural? It hasn't been synthesised in any way. You have eaten a plant that has been growing for at least thousands of years, unaided by man and it has altered your state of mind.

 

 

 

Marijuana. It comes from the cannabis plant. Find a cannabis plant where it naturally occurs in the mountains north of the Himalayas and chew on it. Congratulations - you're high on marijuana. How is that not natural? It hasn't been synthesised in any way. You have eaten a plant that has been growing for at least thousands of years, unaided by man and it has altered your state of mind.

 

 

 

Opium. It comes from the opium poppy. Find an unripe seed pod where they naturally occur in the mediterranean and chew on it. Congratulations - you're high on opium. How is that not natural? It hasn't been synthesised in any way. You have eaten a plant that has been growing for at least thousands of years, unaided by man and it has altered your state of mind.

 

 

 

They are natural. Natural does not necessarily equal good, but they are natural.

[Guest XplsvBam]

If animals are equals to humans why don't people just take dumps in the middle of the street? If they aren't equals then why the hell are you comparing humans to animals?

 

 

 

Exactly my point. You are saying homosexuality isn't natural, yet it is. You are saying because something doesn't happen in nature that it is not right. You can't go on saying 'homosexuality isn't natural' if you don't think people should 'take dumps in the middle of the street' as you so elegantly worded it.

 

 

 

Drugs aren't natural... They CHANGE the state of your mind. Computers, are a tool, just like a fork. There is a difference abominations and tools...

 

 

 

Marijauna, toadstools, etc are as natural as you're going to get. They grow in the wild and are considered drugs. Saying that aren't natural is impossible, since 'nature' created them, not humans or animals... I can't see how drugs aren't natural, when they accure in nature, and yet computers are natural, yet they do not accure in nature...

 

 

 

functioning or occurring in a normal way; lacking abnormalities or deficiencies; "it's the natural thing to happen"; "natural immunity"; "a grandparent's natural affection for a grandchild"

[Guest XplsvBam]

Cocaine. It comes from the coca leaf. Find a coca leaf where it naturally occurs in Columbia, chew it and congratulations - you're high on cocaine - THE DRUG. How is that not natural? It hasn't been synthesised in any way. You have eaten a plant that has been growing for at least thousands of years, unaided by man and it has altered your state of mind.

 

 

 

Marijuana. It comes from the cannabis plant. Find a cannabis plant where it naturally occurs in the mountains north of the Himalayas and chew on it. Congratulations - you're high on marijuana. How is that not natural? It hasn't been synthesised in any way. You have eaten a plant that has been growing for at least thousands of years, unaided by man and it has altered your state of mind.

 

 

 

Opium. It comes from the opium poppy. Find an unripe seed pod where they naturally occur in the mediterranean and chew on it. Congratulations - you're high on opium. How is that not natural? It hasn't been synthesised in any way. You have eaten a plant that has been growing for at least thousands of years, unaided by man and it has altered your state of mind.

 

 

 

They are natural. Natural does not necessarily equal good, but they are natural.

And lust and homosexuality isn't "naturally occuring"? I'm using natural in a different context. But thanks for the biology lesson.

[Veiva]

I know about dictionaries. I'm not an idiot, mind you. Yet, there are many definitions for 'natural', too, if you missed that. As you can bend a truth mostly anyway you want, as it happens all the time so people can do things they want.

 

 

 

And going by the very dictionary you attempted to use against me, I found definitions of natural that mean something created by nature. I guess your dictionary betrayed you?

[Guest XplsvBam]

I know about dictionaries. I'm not an idiot, mind you. Yet, there are many definitions for 'natural', too, if you missed that. As you can bend a truth mostly anyway you want, as it happens all the time so people can do things they want.

 

 

 

And going by the very dictionary you attempted to use against me, I found definitions of natural that mean something created by nature. I guess your dictionary betrayed you?

You are a jackass. The dictionary says a jackass is a donkey, so I MUST be calling you a donkey... But in context its very obvious what I mean.

[Cloaked_Shadow]

Yeah...I'd rather not get involved in the argument...

 

 

 

I can't believe no one has said this yet: infinite knowledge of the universe and a means to organize it in your mind, as well as the ability to go over it in a matter of milliseconds.

 

 

 

This is the ULTIMATE wish, and I would be insanely happy to be granted this.

[caligula101]

^^hmm yeah im pretty much in agreement with you. It isn't logical in anyway what so ever and as you mentioned it is just lust and where does that get us? I don't believe people are paticularly born with it however, it's just a matter or re-educating people in the correct fashion. The society where we live in today has become so lenient that anything goes, morals are gone, you can do anything you like with anyone any gender. Nobody imposes rules on these sort of things anymore. I mean I thought we were civilised.

 

 

 

To think, the past hundreds of years we have opted for more rights and more equality and more freedom.

 

 

 

Actually with homosexual rights, it has been quite a recent thing hardly hundreds of years.

[Arrowpro]

Firstly I'd like to start by saying that people don't choose to be homosexual, they are born homosexual and can't change it. It his how they are. It occours in rich and poor families, in good and bad families. Wether or not it is natural is not a subject up for discussion, because one cannot possible control it. Those who are born homosexual are homosexual, simple as that. And do they not deserve love such as everyone else does? You are all to fixated abou the sexual act, when you should focus on the cause of the sexual act, which is in most cases love. What can they do? They cannot possibly love women, that'd be living on a lie. So if two homosexual persons meet, can't they do whatever they want without people giving them criticism?

 

 

 

You talk so much about what that is natural, my dear 'XplsvBam'. If so many humans are born each day homosexual, how can it not be natural? Un-natural is bad, natural is good. Your sight is so black and white.. As Veiva stated drugs are natural, as natural as grass and trees. Drugs change brain patterns, and a carrot will give your body energy, both are natural. One is bad, and one is good. Clothes are very unnatural, you'll never find anything like it in nature, so is A-bombs. Yet one is bad and one is good, correct?

 

 

 

So don't give anyone [cabbage] for doing something that is natural, or unnatural, as long as it is good? Arn't people mocked for being homosexual? Arn't people born homosexual?! We give homosexuals enough [cabbage] through daily life, and now you say that the only thing they ever wanted, to love, is wrong?

 

 

 

You should honestly think a lot about your believes 'XplsvBam', because they are one of the most corrupted, brainwashed and tainted ones I have seen in a long long time.

[Guest XplsvBam]

There is a purpose for everything. A turtle has a shell for protection. A bird has wings to fly. There is no reason for homosexuality except lust, and to me thats not a good enough reason.

 

 

 

So to you there is no reason for love? Because you don't need love for reproduction or anything. But it's one of the most sought after states of being.

NOTE: I'm NOT A HATER, I JUST DON'T APRROVE OF HARMFUL DECISIONS.

 

Little girl #1:"I love my shoes"

 

Little girl #2:"Then why don't you marry it."

 

 

 

Marriage is between a man and a women... that simple. Some people love their pets why don't they marry them? Some nerds love there computers, why don't they get married?

 

 

 

Homosexuality isn't natural.

 

 

 

Back to the marriage arugument. Homosexuals think they deserve the same rights as hetersexuals. The thing is hetersexuals actually give something back to the community, for example: OFFSPRING.

 

 

 

Well lets say you are againts something like incest? How is incest any different then homosexuality? Or what about cloning? Are you againts it? Stem-cell research? Animal tested products? Animal cruelty? Human/animal breeding? Prositution? AdultsOnly? Drug abuse?

 

 

 

Want to know what all these things have in common with homosexuality? They are all not natural.

 

 

 

Now onto the "they are born with it" argument. I'm a guy, and am chalk full of hormones. Just because I am born with these horny feelings dosn't give me a right to rail a girl based on these feelings in public (or private for that matter).

 

 

 

VALUES. If you don't have values

 

A.) This discussion you could care less about.

 

B.) YOU are responsible for the downfall of society.

 

 

 

I do agree that is someones choice to do as they please. If someone wants to by an ugly pair of pants I may disagree but ultimatly I have no say. But when it comes to homosexual marriage I do have a say because it does affect me and will effect my kids. I wouldn't want my kids to be exposed to incest because its not natural and for that same reason I wouldn't want that kid to have to go to school with a kid that has 2 mommys/daddys.

 

 

 

[/myopinion]

 

 

 

ps. you can disagree but thats not going to change MY principles.

 

 

 

I think you have a confused view of what is and what is not natural. Homosexuality is a preference, yes, but one that relies on signals from the brain that find the same sex attractive. This is a natural process.

 

 

 

Since when does giving rights to people have anything to do with what they give back to the community? Sure, heterosexuals might give offspring, but they might not. They might also bring crime, violence and degredation of the community as well as their offspring. Homosexuals on the other hand might bring other beneficial aspects to the community that maybe you can't measure in terms of new life. It should be based on the individual not the stereotype.

 

 

 

Your view of love is also confused. I wasn't talking about saying "oh yeah i love band-x" because that isn't the love i was talking about. I was talking about true love for another human being, regardless of sex. Some could argue that's simply a jumped up version of lust so why do the straight lovers get more rights than the homosexual ones?

 

 

 

How is incest different from homosexuality? For a start it's a lot less biologically natural, and could lead to inbreeding etc. etc.

 

 

 

As for all the other questions I don't see your point. Stem cell research might not be a natural process, but does that make it a bad thing? In my eyes, no, it could save so many lives and cure so many diseases I don't have a problem with it if it's not "natural".

 

 

 

As for your hormones, since when do homosexuals "rail" other guys in public? In fact they're probably much more conservative about their preferences than straight guys.

 

 

 

Just a couple of questions to help me understand your view.

 

Define what you consider "natural"

 

Are you a homophobe?

For the first highlighted: Wow, did you just say incest could lead to inbreeding? You guys are just chalk full of biology lessons.

 

 

 

For the second highlighted: You missed the point of what I was trying to say.

 

 

 

I don't want to start a hate war againts homosexuality, personally I think homosexuality is just as 'bad' as incest. I don't think that people should go to court for being homosexual. But I think there are damaging effects to society for 'accepting' homosexuality.

 

 

 

Image if we started socially accepting incest..

[Arrowpro]

Incest can lead to inbreeding, and if they get children they are likely to get cronic damages. Homosexuality isn't harmful for anyone, [EDIT] about AIDS, because that might just as well happen within heterosexuals. Incests harms and is not common at all, homosexuality is common and does not harm anyone. It has infact been proved that homosexual parents are often better parents than heterosexual parents are! The fact that someone can even compare the two things is stunning.

[Viktorkrum77]

To be sucessful in life to the point where it will make me content within myself. Ie. being wealthy, but happy, and living in a place I want to live ie. Europe.

 

 

 

:shock: Did I seriosly write that?? I must have been on something when I did (joking).

 

 

 

Becuase my ultimate wish would be for lots and lots of money!! A couple billions worth.

[yeah_you_are]

I'll wish for infinite wishes. Then I'll wish for me to not die and wish for a money tree that gives $10 tillron per week. I'll end povety and be happy. :mrgreen:

Sure thing pal and inflation can make a can of soda 30$ trillion dollars #-o

 

 

 

 

 

Well since im dying id wish to be able to say bye to all my loved ones and freinds

[Astralinre]

How in the world did this thread get so off subject?

 

 

 

Firstly I'd like to start by saying that people don't choose to be homosexual, they are born homosexual and can't change it. It his how they are. It occours in rich and poor families, in good and bad families. Wether or not it is natural is not a subject up for discussion, because one cannot possible control it. Those who are born homosexual are homosexual, simple as that. And do they not deserve love such as everyone else does? You are all to fixated abou the sexual act, when you should focus on the cause of the sexual act, which is in most cases love. What can they do? They cannot possibly love women, that'd be living on a lie. So if two homosexual persons meet, can't they do whatever they want without people giving them criticism?

 

 

 

Do you deny free will? Just because someone is born with a natural tendancy or preference doesn't mean that he has no choice but to act upon it. I have a tendancy to examine everything; but I choose not to sometimes. I have a tendancy to be friendly towards everyone I meet; I choose not to sometimes. I have a tendancy to tell lies; I choose not to sometimes. Just because someone is born attracted to the same gender does not mean that he has to act upon those feelings.

 

 

 

 

 

So, back on topic, I'd wish that I could be a shapeshifter. How awesome would that be?

[Viktorkrum77]

How in the world did this thread get so off subject?

 

 

 

Firstly I'd like to start by saying that people don't choose to be homosexual, they are born homosexual and can't change it. It his how they are. It occours in rich and poor families, in good and bad families. Wether or not it is natural is not a subject up for discussion, because one cannot possible control it. Those who are born homosexual are homosexual, simple as that. And do they not deserve love such as everyone else does? You are all to fixated abou the sexual act, when you should focus on the cause of the sexual act, which is in most cases love. What can they do? They cannot possibly love women, that'd be living on a lie. So if two homosexual persons meet, can't they do whatever they want without people giving them criticism?

 

 

 

Do you deny free will? Just because someone is born with a natural tendancy or preference doesn't mean that he has no choice but to act upon it. I have a tendancy to examine everything; but I choose not to sometimes. I have a tendancy to be friendly towards everyone I meet; I choose not to sometimes. I have a tendancy to tell lies; I choose not to sometimes. Just because someone is born attracted to the same gender does not mean that he has to act upon those feelings.

 

 

 

I do not limit your right to free speach and your opinion, however you only know second hand (as far as I can tell). If you know first hand, than you know that it is close to impossible to not act upon homosexual preferences. Imagine if I asked you to suddenly become gay, to suddenly like men (or woman if you're a woman). And live like that for the rest of your life? Tell me Astralinre, could you go gay for your whole life?

 

 

 

The same goes for homosexuals.

[Astralinre]

^ Let's continue this via PM, eh? We'll let the thread get back on topic.

[yeah_you_are]

This is hillarious you guys think people are born homosexual? Wow. First that has nothing to do with the topic, second scientists have proven that people choose to be homesexual, there is no way someone is born. They choose to be who they are, it is 100% free will and people refuse to accept that despite scientific evidence.

[darkmage099]

^ Let's continue this via PM, eh? We'll let the thread get back on topic.

 

 

 

Actually, I find this conversation quite interesting. Why don't you continue? It's not like you have a limited space (I know you won't type a million mages).

[Guest XplsvBam]

Incest can lead to inbreeding, and if they get children they are likely to get cronic damages. Homosexuality isn't harmful for anyone, don't give any sh!t about AIDS, because that might just as well happen within heterosexuals. Incests harms and is not common at all, homosexuality is common and does not harm anyone. It has infact been proved that homosexual parents are often better parents than heterosexual parents are! The fact that someone can even compare the two things is stunning.

So its ok for a boy to be in love with his neighbours son but its not ok for him to love his sister?

 

 

 

(for the record I'm againts both)

[moopymitchell182]

Incest can lead to inbreeding, and if they get children they are likely to get cronic damages. Homosexuality isn't harmful for anyone, don't give any sh!t about AIDS, because that might just as well happen within heterosexuals. Incests harms and is not common at all, homosexuality is common and does not harm anyone. It has infact been proved that homosexual parents are often better parents than heterosexual parents are! The fact that someone can even compare the two things is stunning.

So its ok for a boy to be in love with his neighbours son but its not ok for him to love his sister?

 

 

 

(for the record I'm againts both)

Just because something is generally frowned upon, doesn't mean it's bad. What's the problem with a gay man? Nothing. He just has a different preference for whatever reason. People are DIFFERENT. Just because you want to think being different is wrong, does not make it okay. If two people want to have sex with eachother, what's the problem? So an STD is passed? Big deal. It's not gonna affect you, so why the hell are you so against it? You are a sick person.

[Viktorkrum77]

This is hillarious you guys think people are born homosexual? Wow. First that has nothing to do with the topic, second scientists have proven that people choose to be homesexual, there is no way someone is born. They choose to be who they are, it is 100% free will and people refuse to accept that despite scientific evidence.

 

 

 

**I decided to remove this text for the safety of my future on Tip It**

 

 

 

To speak with such confidence about something you have no knowledge over is sooooooo unbelievably ignorant. I am gay, it is not a choice, if it was I'd tell you.

 

 

 

Do you choose to be straight you ungrateful ignorant piece of scum?

 

 

 

What century are you living in? The 20th? That is the 1800's as I'm sure, judging from your knowledge on science, that you wouldn't really know that.

 

 

 

So what if there is no gay gene? Science has prooved gay peopel react to different smells of testosteroin and estrogen differently than straight people. Yes hard to believe that science can actually figure things out. I mean, I totally compensate with you on the fact that scientists, sadly, aren't idiots who don't know what they're talking about.

 

 

 

**Ditto what I said above**

 

 

 

I will take this arguement to my grave. I will bet the life of me and everyone I've met that you are completley and uterly wrong.

[zach312]

Homosexuality is not a choice. End of story.

 

 

 

 

 

On-topic: I'd probably wish that a certain someone would be happy for her life, whether it be with me or not. Her choice.

[Tigra00]

Homosexuality is not a choice.

 

 

 

Prove it.

 

 

 

Seems to me they choose to get in bed with other men. I'm not anti-homosexuals, but they DO have a choice.