Climate change - What do you think?

[Gin_and_Tonic]

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Well, im doing a 15 page report on Climate Change, and i thought i'd get some other views on the subject, as im sick of looking at up-tight politicians who think England can take on the world and Climate change.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, What is Climate Change?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâClimate change refers to the build-up of man-made gases in the atmosphere that trap the suns heat, causing changes in weather patterns on a global scale The effects include changes in rainfall patterns, sea level rise, potential droughts, habitat loss, and heat stress.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just so people dont ask what it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've got alot of shocking reports and findings about what will happen if we do not act on this issue, but, if im aloud to, i'll post them later on, when the time is right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The key question is...

 

 

 

Do you think Climate Change, if not treated properly, will lead to the destruction of man-kind?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Feel free to add interesting facts about Climate change, ill give you one:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'The Global Power sector will have to be at least 60% de-carbonised by 2050 to stabilise greenhouse gasses'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, post thoughts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gin_&_Tonic_Bim_Bonic :

[BlueLancer]

Why do we need to doubt something that we already know is taking place? It's like the kid who goes to a robbed candy store and insists there is still candy left, being the spoiled brat he is. You hear the roar of the bear and claim no such creature exists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many fish species and insects have already died out, and soon probably some mammals will too as well (though poaching is a big problem too). No, I definitely don't think it will "destroy" us. Yes, some places on Earth might become uninhabitable, people will move up north, and floods caused by melting glaciers will drown some cities.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But (as nihilistic as it may sound) it probably wont happen during our lifetimes, but our children and grandchildren will without a doubt live a different life, because they will have no idea what a fish or a glacier is.

[Gin_and_Tonic]

Aye, very constructive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, evidently it is not to late to stop it, USA and China are to induced in becoming number one, they dont realise what is happening as a result of their 'greed'. Look at this picture:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Countries just need to wake up and see alternatives to Co2 and other sources of which will not harm us in such a way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that it may not happen in our lifetimes, but if you live in England, and your concerned about things like this, go but the Independant - By 2030 the Polar Bear will be extinct, by 2050 75% of all African crops will fail, and by 2060 a Tsunami bigger than that on boxing day a few years ago, will flood half of London and the whole of the East of England - Well this is what scientists believe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you think we should fund research now, or wait 50 years, and the start work on it then?

[indy500fan]

I bet no one can guess what I am about to post :P .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now that I got that out of the way, I'll write something so this post isn't spam.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the the climate change is going in a direction that will drastically change the temperatures to either hotter or colder, it may cause problems. But humans are very adaptable to change, and I think the race will survive.

[pompey_spud]

i wish people would stop saying it can be avoided if we all live simplistic expensive lives. It can definetly be slowed down, but eventually the ice caps will melt, as they have done every few million years since the earth was created.

 

 

 

We are in a ice age people. Might not feel like it but an ice age is defined as when there are polar ice caps. Of course the ice caps will melt eventually as the ice age has to come to an end.

[jafnn]

I don't think it will mean the destruction of mankind, we'll probably cheat our way out of extinction somehow. But I'm more conserned about how many speicies of animals will extinct because of mankinds greed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scientists estimate that during the last century, between 20,000 and two million species have become extinct.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What gives us the right to do so? I can understand us feeding on other animals as it is how nature goes, and in return we (sometimes) take good care of the animals.

 

 

 

But Elephants got hunted solely so we can have pretty looking piano keys, baby seals get clubed to death so someone can have a coat which looks a bit more expencive then other coats do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok going a little offtopic there but I really don't see why we are using up all of earths resources, while if we would live a little more modest (electrical vehicles and renewable energy sources for example) we could live in balance with the earth.

[Randox]

Long Anser:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Throught earths history there has been a decline in the level of greenhouse gasses in earths atmospher (primaraly carbon dioxide). This has kept earth in a reletive balence as the sun always has, is, and will continue to become more energetic (hotter) untill it reaches the next stage of its life (reg giant). The carbon has been removed by organic waste (including dead animals and plants) beeing stored a fossil fuels. So even if we stopped all greenhouse gas emmisions earths temperature will continue to rise for a number of years. The solution to the problem would not be lowering greenhouse gas emmisions, but removing greenhouse gasses from the atmosphere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now there are some other factors that the above fails to take into account, however the above is the primmary cause of our problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Earth is prtected by the ozone layer which continualy grows thinner allowing more EM radiation to enter the atmosphere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is Also the Magnetosphere, earths EM feild. This continualy protects earth from the solar wind which would likly destroy our ozone layer if not for the Magnetoshere. The feild is bent out of shape by the solar wind if you ever seen a side diagram of it. The Magnetic feild grows weaker as Earth cools (the core cools). So this could be a contributing factor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, as carbon can not be continualy removed from our atmosphere, because then we'd have negative carbon. This means that GLobal warming is part of nature in the long run.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is likly there is noting we can do now, first incresed cloud cover will cool the surface, but that wont last. This will lead to global warming and incresed storms (rain and lightning and wind).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So yes I belive in Global Warming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Short Answer:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is no sort answer for me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As a seperate note, we are prone to iceages which lead to the extinction of many species, so in some cases we are just making a species extinct early. The Big bang, Big Crunch thery would mean the extinction of all life in the universe, so Never mess with Mother Nature because mother nature always wins :twisted:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the Ice caps. For about 95% of earths existance THERE HAVE BEEN NO ICECAPS. or atleast not much of an ice cap (And i mean NOT much)

[jak722]

Im waiting for someone to say "I told you so" in the future when something really bad happens weather wise.

[Kewl_Sabre]

Im waiting for someone to say "I told you so" in the future when something really bad happens weather wise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully the person saying that won't be white-water rafting through Trafalgar Square...

[Tanner4560]

Im waiting for someone to say "I told you so" in the future when something really bad happens weather wise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hurricane katrina.........told ya so

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on the jay leno show they had a temperature gauge that when it got to 120 a pic of al gore pops up and says "i told you so" :D

[jak722]

 

Im waiting for someone to say "I told you so" in the future when something really bad happens weather wise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hurricane katrina.........told ya so

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on the jay leno show they had a temperature gauge that when it got to 120 a pic of al gore pops up and says "i told you so" :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I was thinking more along the lines of "The Day After Tomorrow"-ish. :lol:

[Kewl_Sabre]

 

 

Im waiting for someone to say "I told you so" in the future when something really bad happens weather wise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hurricane katrina.........told ya so

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on the jay leno show they had a temperature gauge that when it got to 120 a pic of al gore pops up and says "i told you so" :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I was thinking more along the lines of "The Day After Tomorrow"-ish. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it ever does happen, I hope that Bilbo Baggins is still the scientist who tries to save us all (Ian Holm is a scientist in the movie : P)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And while large tidal waves are possible as massive glaciers fall into the ocean, pretty much all the science in that movie is about as fake as professional wrestling.

[Gin_and_Tonic]

Im not basing my knowledge on a flim, im basing it on what ive found during my Report.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If possible, when finished, i'll try to post it up here.

 

 

 

Its 100% factual :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All i can say is, if we dont stop, were fopped.

[pro28]

 

 

 

As for the Ice caps. For about 95% of earths existance THERE HAVE BEEN NO ICECAPS. or atleast not much of an ice cap (And i mean NOT much)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look, when there weren't ice caps, there wasn't life as we know it. Is that what you really want in the future?

[thedepressedsquirrel]

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[pro28]

 

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Someone hand me a pellet gun...

[cloud_nz23]

There a story on climate change last week, the British journo said that the research shows global warming will increase the rate of extinction of marine life. This along with the overuse of existing fisheries will affect the poorer nations who depend on fish as a staple part of thier diet. These affected will include the Indian, African and Asian coastal societies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The way I see it, these people will need help and as the world begins to provide support, they too will have a shortfall in some area of their own. Economies will fall and glonbal exploitation will be an even bigger isse than it is now.

[Ultralord]

On the matter of the o-zone layer, I heard something on the news a few days ago (or maybe 2 weeks ago, can't really remember) that the o-zone layer is repairing itself, and by the year 2070 it will have fully repaired itself.

[Gin_and_Tonic]

On the matter of the o-zone layer, I heard something on the news a few days ago (or maybe 2 weeks ago, can't really remember) that the o-zone layer is repairing itself, and by the year 2070 it will have fully repaired itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That may be true, but the o-zone layer does not effect Climate Change to an extent.

 

 

 

The o-zone layer keeps what gases we need in, and what gases we dont need out - The melting of Polar Ice caps is a result of excess Co2 emission release, and due to the greenhouse effect, the gasses cannot leave the atmosphere, this is why the world warms as a whole - causing the caps to melt.

[dusqi]

 

 

 

The way I see it, these people will need help and as the world begins to provide support, they too will have a shortfall in some area of their own.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The West would not provide support.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This kind of altruistic world idea reminds me of The Day After Tomorrow. Remember in the film when all the Americans rush across the border into Mexico, and the film ends with a happy glow where everyone is helping each other out and being grateful to one another. More likely, the Mexicans would set up machine gunners on the border and mow anyone down that tried to cross - and why shouldn't they? Since if it got to the stage where the climate was screwed up, then it would be due to the selfishness of developed nations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The real issue with global warming isn't anything to do with science in my view - the science was concrete long ago. The real issue is due to the selfishness of nations not banding together for the common good. This is what will cause the destruction in future, as nations begin to war over the diminishing resources.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saying that, I don't think it will lead to mankind's destruction. There will just be fewer of us.