so u would rather use paint? since u like to do it other ways.

 

 

 

not many paint abstracts.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"but what makes it so bad to use it in a different way? Personally I love using things in a way they are not mean to be used."

 

 

 

do u buy a bus ticket to take the train?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, because he's not an idiot, but you clearly are.

 

 

 

Horrid comparisons, btw...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

// Azvi.

so u would rather use paint? since u like to do it other ways.

 

 

 

not many paint abstracts.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"but what makes it so bad to use it in a different way? Personally I love using things in a way they are not mean to be used."

 

 

 

do u buy a bus ticket to take the train?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I love to argue and debate about things, but you people are way too easy. Try saying something intelligent for once. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would also like to say I have made abstracts in paint. :wink:

Ok, I guess professional responses don't work well with everyone here, so I will be blunt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cruiser - Nothing I have seen from you validates your posts. Please, shutup. Until we see something from you better than that blue rubbish you call a sig, you have no room to talk. Thanks for letting me know that if my school or work lets me take software home and I use it, that it is illegal; as if I didn't already know. Do you really think I just sit at home and do the stuff I do? Hardly. School and Work are the places it is done, and those are the places the software resides. That isn't even the point of the arguement. Did you create the software you gave examples of? (C4D and 3DSM) No, so how do you know the original intent? Sure, modeling is what the majority of people use it for, but who says you can't use it for other things? Nobody forces you to enjoy abstracts, that's your reservation. However, it's not your job to tell somebody what their software can be used for, when they ask for constructive criticism on already produced art.

Keiphus

 

 

 

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That post wasn't directed at you, but I'm glad you know that. The inference, if you read it, was directed at Azvareth (sp).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My main point is, correlating the legality and the usage, that you don't buy (something he didn't, but still hasn't explained how) a program like 3DSMAX or Maya or Lightwave or C4D to do simple abstracts. If you're going to make a bad abstract, use something like Blender where you don't waste any money (although he specifically didn't) on making something bad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, my little blue sig is my personal taste, as is your hippy-style rainbow-coloured "rubbish". Before you say that this abstract is his personal taste, he put his up for comments and criticism, mine is in another thread. Back up why you think mine is "rubbish". BTW: I hate hippies, and pink and purple and yellow are not my thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, how do you have the right to shut anyone up? Opinions are held by anyone who wants to hold them, and can be expressed however (within forum rules obviously) people want to express them. You can't just say shut up because the person may not have made anything comprable to the one he's criticizing. I have stopped making abstracts publicly because I realize that I'm not good at it. When I deem my own work good enough, you'll all see it. Until then I still reserve the right that you can't take away from me to openly criticize and question the work of others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Azvareth

 

 

 

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The ways I was describing in my post are commonly used ways that many people use. Maybe you didn't exactly do the same thing, but it looks pretty damn close.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tainted_Hero

 

 

 

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I agree, you can use programs and other things not as directed (except pills, don't try that), but when the usage is so... off compared to what they are actually used for, then I consider it a waste of a resource. A fence's purpose is to keep things in or out, not as an obstacle to jump over. 3DSMAX is a program to make 3D models and animations and effects, and GOOD abstracts. Not this... forum rules stop me from saying it, but you know what I'm going to say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

More later, if I have nothing better to do than watch paint dry.

I like the 2nd one...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The first one seems too much of a random mess, no real focal point in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 2nd one with the brushing is more defined, you can always improve on the piece, when you learn more about the textures and add some more brushing to it, but its a good start.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 3rd one not a big fan of mushrooms, they look good but the image seems to lack something...cant put my finger on what though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now off topic:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It seems that one is no longer able to make a simple post to get some C/C around here. What has happend to this board?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why is it that people feel the need to tell others what they can or cannot do?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why is it that people feel they are the almighty himself when it comes to critiquing art?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is no more right for Keiphus in the other thread to indicate that people should stop posting first try pixel sigs (although I can't say i disagree with him) than it is for Cruiser1338 to come into this topic and rather than offer C/C as requested starts spouting off about how the program should be used.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off how can you legally obtain a copy of 3dsmax, lets see how about we order a demo version... can you remove it and reload it without cracking codes etc, yup you sure can...is that illegal not as far as i can tell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I had a Demo version of it myself a while back... I installed it and tried to use it one time...did not have time to get back to it before the 30 day trial was up... why would it be wrong for me to explore the programs abilities just because i was too busy to get to it? Just to let you know I tried re-loading it but could not get it to work so I called them up and they told me what i needed to do to have it run again...why would they give me that info if it was illegal? They want a customer and they know i cant evaluate the product if i had not had a chance to use it...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Was the program designed for one particular thing in mind ie, modeling...yes, most likely that is what the designers were after. But you know what, there is no law that says if you buy our software you cannot learn, or attempt to make abstracts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cruiser you do not know what other programs Azv has used, nor do you know if he is a novice at them or an advanced user so where do you get off saying that he should use something else to create abstracts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do not advocate illegal use of programs in fact I am strongly against that (as is this forum) and I am sure quite a few programs on here are obtained by just downloading them someplace... but you cant just verbally attack someone because you suspect them of doing something illegal or because you do not like the use of the program.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This media board has always been one of the best because of the diversity on here, people striving to advance in various facets of art. I suggest you relax, remember that people are allowed to create any form of art (within board allowed limits) with any program they wish (hopefully legally obtained) and it is your perogative not to view certain posts if you do not want to. Also, remember that when you start going into posts and causing problems or making unfounded accusations then you are the one that will be viewed as the trouble maker...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So heck, what do i know... just my two cents...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IDPUP :)

 

Unfortunately, Tainted_Hero, your opinion is wrong. Stop having it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An opinion isn't a statement or rule, or anything that can be defined as right and wrong. It's a feeling. Therefore, it can't be wrong. Its only wrong or right in the person's who are having that opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Way to not recognize sarcasm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also found it funny how you said "you can tell the people who don't know dip about art". Since when does creating art need a degree or a course? Its only in your eyes they "don't know dip". :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did I say that knowing about art required a degree, or a course? You can be born with an intuitive sense of color, balance, ect..

 

 

Unfortunately, Tainted_Hero, your opinion is wrong. Stop having it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An opinion isn't a statement or rule, or anything that can be defined as right and wrong. It's a feeling. Therefore, it can't be wrong. Its only wrong or right in the person's who are having that opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Way to not recognize sarcasm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also found it funny how you said "you can tell the people who don't know dip about art". Since when does creating art need a degree or a course? Its only in your eyes they "don't know dip". :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did I say that knowing about art required a degree, or a course? You can be born with an intuitive sense of color, balance, ect..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Maybe I did take it a little to serious. Now that I look at it, you and Kiephus have practically the same sence of sardonicism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. No, you didn' say it, you implied it. What you implied is you need to know something to create art. To create art you really need no knowledge. To create "good" art, that's to be defined by the person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now of course I'm speaking of art in general. For digital art, yes, you need some knowledge on how to run a program, but as far as a certain "order" you need to follow, IMO, there isn't one.

Yeah, but to most people, art has to be something that's at least mildly pleasing to the eye. To be at least mildly pleasing to the eye, you have to have at least a vague sense of form, color, balance, ect..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I was saying is that a lot of the filterpile references make it seem obvious that the person making them doesn't even have any idea what those things are.

Create something that actually makes use of the program.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How about saying something that actually makes use of your brain. Its called "creative criticism" - people probably do it for you so do it for them.

Yeah, but to most people, art has to be something that's at least mildly pleasing to the eye. To be at least mildly pleasing to the eye, you have to have at least a vague sense of form, color, balance, ect..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I was saying is that a lot of the filterpile references make it seem obvious that the person making them doesn't even have any idea what those things are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Art is anything and everything. Opinion is opinion, its a totally different subject.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"To be at least mildy pleasing to the eye, you have to have at least a vague sense of form, color, balance, ect.."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolute rubbish. Art is art even if somebody cannot appreciate it. Art is an expression of oneself in the form of an image.

Find me some art that doesn't have good balance, or a good sense of color.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, don't double-post.

Find me some art that doesn't have good balance, or a good sense of color.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, don't double-post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really don't get what you're saying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and the double post, most other forums don't give two flying ....., and I couldn't be bothered collecting my critique from 2 different posts into one thread, as it would have included the use of another program. I really can't be bothered.

I mean, you say art doesn't have to be visually pleasing. Find me some art that's not visually pleasing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, if you can't be bothered to follow the rules, well then we can't be bothered to let you keep posting.

I mean, you say art doesn't have to be visually pleasing. Find me some art that's not visually pleasing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, if you can't be bothered to follow the rules, well then we can't be bothered to let you keep posting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Depends what you concieve to be visually pleasing. As I said, its opinion, so even if I didn't find it visually pleasing, you or the next man might.

 

 

 

Some people may hate Giger because its dark and what could be described as disturbing. But it's beauty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: You also seem overly threatening about such a small impedement.

I mean, you say art doesn't have to be visually pleasing. Find me some art that's not visually pleasing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, if you can't be bothered to follow the rules, well then we can't be bothered to let you keep posting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wyrm, I get your point, but there are pieced of 'art' that some people might not find 'pleasing' like too bright or ugly/scary pics (don't know if you get my point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, Entangle, I thought you were nice, but I am not sure of that now. Oh and Btw, I didn't see anyone mention this in all the pages, but weren't the Mushrooms, MODELLING? (Don't know if I missed it, but read the 5 pages carefully.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Azvy, I like the abstracts, not the mushrooms though, they look weird, they need more balance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good Luck,

 

 

 

Aster

Yeah, but to most people, art has to be something that's at least mildly pleasing to the eye. To be at least mildly pleasing to the eye, you have to have at least a vague sense of form, color, balance, ect..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I was saying is that a lot of the filterpile references make it seem obvious that the person making them doesn't even have any idea what those things are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see where your coming from now :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe, for future reference, try to keep a little less sarcasm? It's only a suggestion, only for the reason that it could be easily misinterpreted as something worse. Although, I shouldn't talk :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for answering my questions :)