Its cool...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Except for half the stuff...well its all oppions so... I dont like the design of it... Looks kinda plain and font.. no way.. its too normal and ugly for it.. It s a great render and all but i think you can do a better job :)

Tainted Hero, no offense, but when you don't really know what you're talking about, don't talk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't seen any of Entangle's work outside the sigs he makes here, but I am under the strong impression that he's a darn good artist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, 90% of the filterpile abstract these days aren't artistic. They're accidents. People screwing around until they found something that looks cool. You can tell that the people doing them don't know dip about art by the other things in the peice (like the typo if any, the balance (or lack thereof), ect..).

Tainted Hero, no offense, but when you don't really know what you're talking about, don't talk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't seen any of Entangle's work outside the sigs he makes here, but I am under the strong impression that he's a darn good artist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, 90% of the filterpile abstract these days aren't artistic. They're accidents. People screwing around until they found something that looks cool. You can tell that the people doing them don't know dip about art by the other things in the peice (like the typo if any, the balance (or lack thereof), ect..).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah, and thats the thing about some forms of art. A "newbie" abstract maker could acidently come across an awsome render, it could happen but isn't likely. but again, you can usualy tell by what else they incoprate into the render, i.e abstracts usualy arn't just about the render :D . + filter piles almost never look that good :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, i'm gunna get my nose out of Azvi's topic. Although from what i see i might have to talk it up with azvy for some more colabs now that he can suply renders :lol:

honestly, I hate the term "sig maker". are you in grade 2? congratulations, you just turned 6 years old. sig MAKER. wtf. at least use sig CREATOR, or sig DESIGNER, or sig ARTIST.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and there was a time these boards loved "filter piles". I remember when everyone was hooked on the AlienSkin plugin...I always hated that, looked tacky. I remember selling sigs here though, for over a million, hehe that was such a rip off, I just used old backgrounds and "filter piles"...but oh well, what can you expect, that was such a long time ago...

Tainted Hero, no offense, but when you don't really know what you're talking about, don't talk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't seen any of Entangle's work outside the sigs he makes here, but I am under the strong impression that he's a darn good artist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, 90% of the filterpile abstract these days aren't artistic. They're accidents. People screwing around until they found something that looks cool. You can tell that the people doing them don't know dip about art by the other things in the peice (like the typo if any, the balance (or lack thereof), ect..).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well It obvious I have a very different opinion then most. I think the most important thing is the overall outcome of whatever your working on. It seems most people only judge it on how long it took or how difficult it was to make. Filter piles themselves are still art in my opinion and theres nothing wrong with using them as long as the overall effect is pleaseant to the eye. Please explain how I have no idea of what I am talking about? Just because some one creates something on accident doesn't mean its not art. It seems no one is open minded anymore. :roll: :x

Unfortunately, Tainted_Hero, your opinion is wrong. Stop having it.

Let me settle this; My signature is much better then all yours. Thank you and good-bye.

Let me settle this; My signature is much better then all yours. Thank you and good-bye.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

damn strait

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

btw azvareth , good start... you will be making devianart level in no time.

Deviantart level. :lol: Since when was there a standard there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Valiant attempt Az, don't let them get to you.

lol, yeah, anyone can and are encouraged to join and submit to deviantart. no level required.

Unfortunately, Tainted_Hero, your opinion is wrong. Stop having it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An opinion isn't a statement or rule, or anything that can be defined as right and wrong. It's a feeling. Therefore, it can't be wrong. Its only wrong or right in the person's who are having that opinion.

 

 

 

I also found it funny how you said "you can tell the people who don't know dip about art". Since when does creating art need a degree or a course? Its only in your eyes they "don't know dip". :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Entangle, I fail to see who made you a god that you can say what is crap and what isn't. Every time someone posts an abstract, you bust them on it. Not even in a polite way, but in a moronic fashion. You say "abstract is not art" or "a boy and his dad" could make an abstract. Well, go try making one, a good one, and you'll see.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Abstract art is to be interpreted by the viewer. It means nothing and something. IF it looks cool to the viewer, then great.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You say its not original. Tell me, define original.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I assume Piccasso (not sure on spelling) was an idiot too?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing I want to see is that you keep your opinion to yourself. "Go make something that makes use of the program" Is I think what you said originally to Asvy. Who in hell are you to say that?! Your no better than a guy who goes and draws a diddle in ms paint.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blah, this was mainly a rant. IF you reply, ill be more organized. Plus, its 3am, so im tired :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, Nice stuff Asvy! Im liking the 2nd, it has a nice flow to it, a neat feel. Brush it up some more, and (imo) it'll look great ;)

^^ great post royal (crap said i wouldn't enter the tread again lol :oops: :P ah well)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and yeah deviantart lvl made me laugh. you couldn't imagine some of the *cough*crap*cough* i've seen on there, although it's kind of offset by some very nice peices :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyways, keep with it Azvy, its a good first atempt :P and of course you only can get better right? :)

Just to add my unwanted (most likely) opinion. I believe that Entangle was right to begin with. f you are going to legally get (as I infer that Azvy has) 3DSMAX, thenyou definately use it for more than simple abstracts. It's purpose isn't that. It's for things like Finding Nemo, the Matrix Effects, Star Wars scenes... not abstract rendering.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it was bought legally, then I think that Azvy should have waited a lot longer and practiced his 3D on something else (BLENDER !!!!) because the abstracts are getting too overused and anyone with a mouse and an index finger can click around and render one. To make a good abstract, you need careful planning, a theme around which it will be based and other design elements. Not just a 3D render and some brushing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I say, if your going to get 3DSMAX (legally or illegally, I don't advocate either, but I bet 90-95% of people who have it here are of the latter category) then don't use it for abstracts. That is the worst use of resources I can think of. Azvy, I think (it doesn't matter, but I'll say it anyway) that you can't claim that yours is a bought legal version, because it's either a cracked trial version, or worse. If you seriously were spending $3000+ on it, you'd realize you need some skill to make it look good.

I don't think allot of people understand what goes into 3D, its certainly not as easy as canvas + tools.

 

 

 

the stuff ive seen u sell sofar is rather easy :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

personaly i only use 3ds for makin essembly videos and some renders.

 

 

 

i prefer autocad or maya over 3ds for drawing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I say, if your going to get 3DSMAX (legally or illegally, I don't advocate either, but I bet 90-95% of people who have it here are of the latter category) then don't use it for abstracts. That is the worst use of resources I can think of. Azvy, I think (it doesn't matter, but I'll say it anyway) that you can't claim that yours is a bought legal version, because it's either a cracked trial version, or worse. If you seriously were spending $3000+ on it, you'd realize you need some skill to make it look good.

 

 

 

i got a licensed version, and i know a few others on tip it that does, so id say its below 90%

It's really not that hard to gain access to industry software. Right now I have access to Lightwave 7.5, 3DSM 5, PhotoshopCS Suite, Macromedia MX 2004 Suite, and SoftimageXSI 4.0. Did I steal all these? No, but places like school and work give me access to them. Plus people can buy student versions, and get trial versions online. I hardly see how pirating pertains to this arguement on abstracts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, opinions can be wrong. It can be your opinion that my name has an F in it. That would be incorrect.

the stuff ive seen u sell sofar is rather easy :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You seem to be having quite the trouble making anything half decent?:- http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=88226

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now be quiet, you clearly know nothing.

Just to add my unwanted (most likely) opinion. I believe that Entangle was right to begin with. f you are going to legally get (as I infer that Azvy has) 3DSMAX, thenyou definately use it for more than simple abstracts. It's purpose isn't that. It's for things like Finding Nemo, the Matrix Effects, Star Wars scenes... not abstract rendering.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it was bought legally, then I think that Azvy should have waited a lot longer and practiced his 3D on something else (BLENDER !!!!) because the abstracts are getting too overused and anyone with a mouse and an index finger can click around and render one. To make a good abstract, you need careful planning, a theme around which it will be based and other design elements. Not just a 3D render and some brushing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I say, if your going to get 3DSMAX (legally or illegally, I don't advocate either, but I bet 90-95% of people who have it here are of the latter category) then don't use it for abstracts. That is the worst use of resources I can think of. Azvy, I think (it doesn't matter, but I'll say it anyway) that you can't claim that yours is a bought legal version, because it's either a cracked trial version, or worse. If you seriously were spending $3000+ on it, you'd realize you need some skill to make it look good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't pay for it, but the way I got it is legal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And sorry, but where did you and Entangle find these rules about how you should use the software? Seriously, shut the [bleep] up. If I want to make abstract renders, then I will do it. "Its purpose isn't that"? Then what the [bleep] is it?!! Everything you do in 'Max is modelling! When I make an abstract render, I use the program's modelling features.

 

 

 

So stop acting like everything you should do in it are swords and teacups. You are entitled to have your own opinion, yes... but don't [bleep]ing come here and tell me what I should do. That's immature and it [bleep]ing pisses me off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks everyone else for your comments...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

// Azvi.

Sorry, but there is no modeling involved in these abstracts. All you are doing is taking geometery, adding your noise modifier onto it and whacking up the settings until you find something you like. There is no modeling involved there.

Yes, you're right. That is all you do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

// Azvi.

What pisses me off is people like you who think that people having an opinion that goes against your own makes you better than us. Abstracts are what they are, simple and overly done. But they are overly done badly. People (like you) think that making a box and matrix extruding it (C4D) makes it an abstract. "Ooooh oooh I made a noise modifier," doesn't constitute abstract art.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I like abstracts. But after seeing countless bad ones, and posts by people like yourself thinking you are the be all and end all of the genre because you can put a box and a modifier in your setup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can say what I like about the software. 3DSMAX wasn't designed for use by people who think that making an abstract is making a model and sprucing it up with a modifier. Try looking at what it is really used for. Go to ILM or RhythmandHues. That is what it was designed for, not people like you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is this legal way you got it? OEM, because I don't think it's offered that way. If a place you work at let you install it at home, that is illegal, as is a school letting you take it home. If you use it where you work or school, that's fine, but anything besides that or buying your own $3000 license (or academic edition) is illegal.

Now be quiet, you clearly know nothing.

 

 

 

if u actualy try to read the post u would see what they are for :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no use in adding more details or textures on them, if i do the .dc6 files wont load later on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and i never claim to know evrything, im a cad operator. not a designer.

Cruiser, I would appreciate it if you could refer to a special post, where I said that "making a box and extruding it" makes good abstract - or even better, refer to a post where I said my abstracts rule. That's right, I have never said such things, so stop putting words in peoples' mouth, it makes them think less of you. And while you're at it, look up the word "abstract", and then take a look at your post. Abstract is still abstract, however "good" or "bad" you perceive it... :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

// Azvi.

I know Nadril, I like to something done with the program. In all fairness, anyone and his dad can create "abstracts".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i just had to reply to this, but you are underestemating abstracts.

 

 

 

you try and post a half decent abstract here brushd up and all and then we will see if everyone and his dad (why his dad whats up with that?) can make abstracts

Rofl... Why must you people think that a program is only intended to be used one way? Okay the developers probably intended it for certain things, but what makes it so bad to use it in a different way? Personally I love using things in a way they are not mean to be used. For instance when I skateboard at skateparks with fences, they are there to keep people in or out and to skate only whats in the park and not out of the park. I hate seeing bounderies such as this so when I skate I try to use the fences in a way they are not meant to be used. I lauch over them or acid drop or whatever else I can think off of them. Why limit yourself?

so u would rather use paint? since u like to do it other ways.

 

 

 

not many paint abstracts.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"but what makes it so bad to use it in a different way? Personally I love using things in a way they are not mean to be used."

 

 

 

do u buy a bus ticket to take the train?