Tipit.er Events Forum

[Leesters]

Since the Rants section is for "Game related" posts only, I figured this was the best place for this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Before, all events hosted by players were held in General P2P, unless it was planned more than 5 days in advance, where it would be in this "Events" forum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do a thing called "HYT Invasion" that is popular with the users.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now that the rule has put ALL event posts into this events section, no one is going to see the event posts, because, quite honestly, not many people go in there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

General P2P no longer has guides. It no longer has stories. It no longer has blogs. And now, it no longer has events.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is the goal to completely eliminate Gen P2P altogether? There is so many sub forums now, it takes 3 page-downs to get through them all. *sigh*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like HYT Invasion event threads to be visible in Gen P2P. Hardly anyone is going to see them now. *grumbles*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry for the rant, but thanks for listening.

[Satenza]

Heh, i just came here to post the same suggestion. I dislike the new Tip.Iter event forum, and while the new TET Guest Hosting idea allows non TET members to get high attendance thats one person per month of that. It's sad to see such great events go un-noticed by this forum. There was a way around it and now it's cancelled out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you have tried to keep things more organized but at the expense of the party hosting community and a lot of people like doing these things, and it helps the TET or gives us an idea of which events are popular and possible new candidated which is hard to see when they all go down like a lead baloon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also agree with guides too, they where massivley popular with our users which spurred us to make guides in the first place so we can help as many people out. Now there are hardley anyone looking at them and so we can't be bothered to improve on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many people have ranted about the lack of good posts in the General forums and thats because theres always another space for these other things to go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think over organization has killed both guide making and player events.

[the_tallest1]

People have been ranting about quality of posts on Gen p2p long before either of these changes were made to be fair. It's easy to complain about things but it's much harder to come up with viable suggestions that can please everyone. Previously we've had Gen cluttered with dozens of guides or events. General is just that, general. If something is monopolizing the first page at what point does it merit its own section.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sidenote about the guides: There are some useful guides that have things not practical to include in the site guides but that are useful to people all the same. They aren't exactly easy to find stuck on the 15th page of Gen p2p you know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're more than welcome to come up with some solutions that will satisfy and accommodate the general user and the staff who have to deal with them. However before offering these suggestions it would help to look beyond personal benefits such as "my own events don't have the same turnout". Something being in General, by default, will have more notice and more participation but that alone does not necessarily make for an adequate reason. This is the same logic that people us when they post what are essentially questions outside of H&A, just because it will be seen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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There is so many sub forums now, it takes 3 page-downs to get through them all. *sigh*

 

 

 

I'm not sure how subforums are adding that much space to the index. Looking at this from the perspective of someone who uses the boards a lot and has to sift through the index far more than a casual user they have done nothing but help. Even with their use it still takes me 7, that's right 7 page downs to get through the index. Have a little sympathy on the staff. :P You can imagine how bad it was before we condensed some boards down.

[Satenza]

General is just that, general. If something is monopolizing the first page at what point does it merit its own section.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sidenote about the guides: There are some useful guides that have things not practical to include in the site guides but that are useful to people all the same. They aren't exactly easy to find stuck on the 15th page of Gen p2p you know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But we had the Archive Of Wisdom sticky to have the best and msot useful guides for users to find easily.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're more than welcome to come up with some solutions that will satisfy and accommodate the general user and the staff who have to deal with them. However before offering these suggestions it would help to look beyond personal benefits such as "my own events don't have the same turnout".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see what the need is to have these forums then, yes there a place to declutter the forums but if you see having more people at an event as a personal benefit rather than something that should be a given then obviously there is litte support for these events in the first place. They can't operate without large numbers of people, and the people who come to them with about three others always feel awkward.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something being in General, by default, will have more notice and more participation but that alone does not necessarily make for an adequate reason. This is the same logic that people us when they post what are essentially questions outside of H&A, just because it will be seen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It;s similar yes, but where a question needs only one response for it to work events need tens of people to attend. So deserve to come into a forum which can do them justice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can't you employ more moderators if the current ones are pushed for time? I didn't really see a problem with them before which is the same as guides. Parties and guides where accepted and if they where good they;d create interest if not they'd slip away. There was still perfectly enough room for other discussion

[Cruiser]

Simple solution to it all: Force the subforum mod into use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stop giving users whining room on everything. The users wanted their own parties, so they got their own forum, the down side, it left the "general" section and lost traffic. Now that it's being forced to the party board, few see them and fewer attend (this is just what I gather from reading around a bit).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stop piddling around with the subforum mod with just the staff boards and put it in public view to shorten the index and keep large RS community events in the high traffic boards. They'll get the best of both a dedicated board and higher view counts to drive attendance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The links stay in the same section (Clan archives being the example), they just get slightly smaller and aren't given a whole

of space to waste. Many people kicked and screamed about subforum'ing, and now some sections are losing out because of it.

[Ard_Choille]

Just because something worked the way YOU wanted it to before it was changed doesn't mean that the new way isn't better for the community as a whole. The changes that have been made have not come out of thin air...and were certainly not made to make anyones' lives miserable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We simply MUST keep our focus on community needs (not individual needs) and making it easier for our users to find what they want without having to wade through a multitude of different sorts of posts to do so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With that said, it's all about test and adjust. If we can come up with a better solution for the community as a whole, great! Subforums (designed like Short Notice Events) may be a solution by tucking some of the more specific forums under some of the more general forums. With many of the specific forums already created, it will be an easier transition to shift them around to gain more visibility.

[misterxman]

Don't have much else to add on to what 's been said besides the fact that P2P is really for discussion of the game only, like quests/updates and stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, I can suggest that you add a link to your events in your sig so anyone can go to it from any post you make anywhere. :)

[Satenza]

Just because something worked the way YOU wanted it to before it was changed doesn't mean that the new way isn't better for the community as a whole. The changes that have been made have not come out of thin air...and were certainly not made to make anyones' lives miserable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see how looking over a few more posts is a hinderance to anyone. Maybe you should put it to a community vote. As it may not be better for the community as a whole. None of us know wether thats true or not. All i have seen is complaints about the forum. It's not making lives miserable it's aprtys on a game. Yet it is annoying when only a few people come to your events.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We simply MUST keep our focus on community needs (not individual needs) and making it easier for our users to find what they want without having to wade through a multitude of different sorts of posts to do so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, as said we don't know if this is what the community wants as a whole, you may find the majority wish for things to go back to the way they where. As to wading through, i'd like to guess msot people come to events as they see other people are. If an event has hardley any relpies others wont come. People don't need to specifically be looking for events. Especially as they know the events now in that forum get very few people attending so they don't bother.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With that said, it's all about test and adjust. If we can come up with a better solution for the community as a whole, great! Subforums (designed like Short Notice Events) may be a solution by tucking some of the more specific forums under some of the more general forums. With many of the specific forums already created, it will be an easier transition to shift them around to gain more visibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well will this happen? I'd like to think so, although it really doesn't matter about subforums as you'd probably just find the same thing happening. So i think you should really find out what the community wnats by vote or something or go back to the way it was, as the current system isn;t working.

[the_tallest1]

Well will this happen? I'd like to think so, although it really doesn't matter about subforums as you'd probably just find the same thing happening. So i think you should really find out what the community wnats by vote or something or go back to the way it was, as the current system isn;t working.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Take it easy, eh? I replied not even two hours after this topic was made and I've begun discussing this with staff earlier today (not even 18 hours after this topic's creation). Considering the multitude of things that have a higher priority than this I'd like to think that is a fast response. I'm also not sure what your personal beef is with this whole issue but it's nothing recent. Just bear in mind that resolutions don't always end up perfectly with what you or I want to happen. Compromise is key in any decision.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can't you employ more moderators if the current ones are pushed for time?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry to backtrack but I can't believe as a member of the TET who knows full well the difficulties of cohesively organizing so many people that you could even bring that up. More of something doesn't always improve the situation. As you well know the moderators do their job voluntarily and some things, while not the ideal setup for you, might make their job slightly easier. In either case the people who make the event posts and the people who have to maintain the event posts both have to be considered.

[swampjedi]

You two need to get off the admins' case. This isn't your freaking private forum. There are tens of thousands of other members here. This whining and crying because your popular events aren't getting as many visitors is pathetic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who the heck do you think you are, demanding a speedy response? So what if you put on great parties, and are well known for it. You're just a user.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey guess what, TIF isn't a democracy.

[Ard_Choille]

Well will this happen? I'd like to think so, although it really doesn't matter about subforums as you'd probably just find the same thing happening. So i think you should really find out what the community wnats by vote or something or go back to the way it was, as the current system isn;t working.

 

 

 

If you take a look around, we have been working hard at making improvements requested by users and discussed with users. The fact that two Administrators have responded to this thread SHOULD be an indication that we are paying attention and taking action.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stop giving users whining room on everything.

 

 

 

Be careful what you ask for...this thread can be locked right now.

[Leesters]

You two need to get off the admins' case. This isn't your freaking private forum. There are tens of thousands of other members here. This whining and crying because your popular events aren't getting as many visitors is pathetic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who the heck do you think you are, demanding a speedy response? So what if you put on great parties, and are well known for it. You're just a user.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey guess what, TIF isn't a democracy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After reading THIS response, I just wanted to reiterate that I'm just looking for the best way for ALL USERS on this board to be aware of the events. This isn't about me. This is about the community.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I just saw the Sub-forum on Rants. What a great solution! Its perfect. I love it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it would benefit the users by adding the Events forum on Gen P2P just like this. It lets them have the exposure of the events on the most popular forum, and keeps it seperated from the discussions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What a perfect solution! =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope this is considered, because the having the events in its current place is just not benefiting the users nearly as well as this would.

[swampjedi]

I'd say that was more aimed at Satenza, but you should understand that's how it came off - to me, and I believe to Ard and Tallest.

[Leesters]

I'd say that was more aimed at Satenza, but you should understand that's how it came off - to me, and I believe to Ard and Tallest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It really did shock me. I'm not just crying "my events are taken out of general wah wah" here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Events benefit the community. If they don't see the posts, they don't benefit. Its really as simple as that. And I'm not talking about just "my" events, here, either. But I know from running some good ones, that the users LOVE GOOD EVENTS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Again, I want to reiterate that I'm not complaining because my events got put out of general.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm concerned that the users won't be able to benefit from ALL events because they aren't visible enough.

 

 

 

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Thats why I love the sub-forum idea. I had no idea what a sub forum was until I saw it on Rants. Its perfect. Its like a "sticky-forum". Lol. I was telling QueenV how it would be nice to have a sticky for events, but then realized a sticky thread would be too mishmashed for it to work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A "sticky forum" (Which is how it looks from a users point of view) is just soooooooooo perfect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have heard that this is quite the debate on Staff Lounge. After seeing how the sub-forum thingy works, the only thing I can see whats being debated is exactly what gets sub-forumed. To be honest, I wish I was still crew right now, just for access to that debate. lol. Disclaimer: Too bad I can't dedicate the time to return to crew at this time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For the guides, I think its worked out perfect. When a user needs a guide, they go look for it. The seperate forum for guides does not need "exposure" here. And with Player Made guides seperate from the Archive of Wisdom, it seperates the billions of silly guides from the vital ones. I love how the guides sections have evolved. (I know there was a lot of heartache in evolving it, but kudos to the staff members that had passion on the issue. Pokemama is my hero.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But events is a different type of user benefit. The events need the exposure because users don't "need" events, so they won't go "looking" for them. But for them to benefit, they need to see them. So they need to have the exposure in General to be most beneficial to the users. And with the "sticky forum" its an instant reminder when they pop in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blogscape a subforum? I would say no. Its not a user "benefit" like events and guides, its more of an entertainment forum. Besides, I think it gets pretty good traffic from the users as it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Boy, Marketplace sure could benefit from sub-forums, eh? Big time. Something to think about there, too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please feel free to cut and paste this post to the debate thread on Staff Lounge. I'd like the staff to hear my thoughts on this. \

[Satenza]

Take it easy, eh? I replied not even two hours after this topic was made and I've begun discussing this with staff earlier today (not even 18 hours after this topic's creation). Considering the multitude of things that have a higher priority than this I'd like to think that is a fast response. I'm also not sure what your personal beef is with this whole issue but it's nothing recent. Just bear in mind that resolutions don't always end up perfectly with what you or I want to happen. Compromise is key in any decision.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am used to things being said and never happening (you know this through your TET comments) so i wanted to follow it up thats all so it's not forgotten about, as your comment to be seemed like you wanted more discussion. Also I won't even start of how i think TET is different to moderating as i don't know so i will just have to trust your judgement. Don't get me wrong tallest i think you're a great addition to the admin team, and maybe i should have put more trust in you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also to swampjedi this is a forums updates and discussion forum i'm sure this is built for discussing ways to update and change things for the better not too shout at people for doing so. Also when was the last event that i have ever hosted away from the TET? About a year ago maybe, this isn't for me it;s for the people who have been complaining and i think as a TET member i should be backing independant parties up a little for reasons in my first post.

[swampjedi]

I apologize for how harsh I came off. I tend to be very "protective" of the staff (especially these two) because I see them get run through the wringer all the time. Not much of what I said made sense. I'm pretty sure what set me off were things that your posts appeared to say but really didn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It seems to me that events don't belong in GP2P. Granted they'll get the most exposure there, but my understanding is that GP2P is a catchall.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A subfoum might still not get much exposure, looking at the Debate Club on rants. That's a good thing for DC, but not a good thing for events.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, I offer my embarrassed apologies.

[Ard_Choille]

And I just saw the Sub-forum on Rants. What a great solution! Its perfect. I love it.

 

 

 

Thanks so much! A lot of effort went into the Rants revamp so I hope it makes a difference. Discussions with Rant users began back in November and many staff threads created to nail down the concept and content.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope that more people appreciate the changes we make as we put a great deal of time and effort into them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Ard

[QueenValerie]

The sub forums in Rants was a big hit also the new sticky Introduction in General. I agree alot of work goes into making changes. :)

[Leesters]

So, whats the chances of putting the Events forum(s) in as a sub forum for Gen P2P?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that's a great solution as I stated above. Sorry for the long read up there. lol. *points up to rambling and hides*

[mrmyk]

if events is a sub-forum of general p2p then what about TET events forum?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing that would really change here is that people would see Tipiter events by general p2p instead of down the menu a little bit :? .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As mxm said just put a link in your signature which seems to work well (for wakka, not me :^o )