Equality.

[Parabola]

No, I am saying it is understandable if a man is denied such a job based on his gender alone. I said in certain circumstances that sexism is necessary - there might just happen to be a clinic where the women don't mind working with a man. There might not be a rule against it in theory but there may well be one in practice.

[BlueTear]

No, I am saying it is understandable if a man is denied such a job based on his gender alone. I said in certain circumstances that sexism is necessary - there might just happen to be a clinic where the women don't mind it. There might not be a rule against it in theory but there may well be one in practice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So the fact that he can be competant enough to overcome the fact that he due to accident of birth happends to be male isn't even a factor?

[Parabola]

It's got nothing to do with his competency. It is purely to do with the women who have just been raped and are going to be at the point in their lives where they are least likely to be able to trust/open up to a man.

[BlueTear]

It's got nothing to do with his competency. It is purely to do with the women who have just been raped and are going to be at the point in their lives where they are least likely to be able to trust/open up to a man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So a male counselor _able_ to make a female victim open up is less suitable for the job than a female counselor _unable_ to make a female victim open up, is less qualified for the job because he happends to be male?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... how is this not prejudiced discrimination, where your sex is more important than your competence?

[Parabola]

I've said from my first post - it is prejudiced discrimination, it is sexist. I didn't say there should be rules against male rape counsellors, I said that it is understandable when they are not employed because the majority of their patients wouldn't be able to trust them based on their gender alone.

[Satenza]

Idealogicaly it shouldn't be true, but thats the reality of it.

[BlueTear]

I've said from my first post - it is prejudiced discrimination, it is sexist. I didn't say they should be rules against male rape counsellors, I said that it is understandable when they are not employed because the majority of their patients wouldn't be able to trust them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You said the discrimination was "neccesary" which I call complete and utter [cabbage]. Go ahead, don't hire the incompetant councelors who can't make their patients talk to them, but that's a different matter. Yes, there might even be a coorelation between individual patients ability to open up to people based on their sex, but what the hell, there's a coorelation between an individual patients ability to open up to people with certain hairstyles, hair colours, voice, mannerism, age, skin colour and what-have-you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This does not mean that the guy isn't the best rape counselor you'll ever meet. It doesn't even mean he isn't going to be a better counselor than a woman.

[Parabola]

If the correlation between a person's hairstyle and other people's inability to open up to them was as strong as that of raped women not being able to open up to unfamiliar men then I'm sure that people with such hairstyles would suffer discrimination too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, since the former is a small minority whereas the latter is the vast majority, I don't think it will be happening too soon.

[warri0r45]

Discrimination is wrong, but in some cases patricular professions are suited to a particular sex/race etc. Likewise, particular places are more suited to a particular sex but I don't see this as discrimination; it's merely a time for mates to get together with thier mates or girls to get together with thier girlfriends.

[arc_knight]

Are you referring to world-wide or United states feminism? Because if you say that females are not treated equally in the US, you must have forgotten that there are female CEOs, female actors, female news anchors, female game designers, etc etc. There are plenty of opportunities for women to advance in the US' society today. Although, if you're referring to world-wide, i can put on my game face and explain one of the impacts Bush's attempts to create a stable government in the middle-east would be.. cough cough.. fair and equal treatment for all?

[arc_knight]

Women are also more emotional and can't think straight when needed to. There is a reason why men are in power, even today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol? not only are women emotional, anyone can be, what kind of dumb things are you trying to portray here? have you ever met a homosexual man that isn't emotional sometimes? you're seriously losing my respect by such a cynical stereotype.. wow this makes me laugh hysterically!!

[Wachtwoord]

It may be pretty random, but this sentence always aplies in such discussions:

 

 

 

"All men are equal, but some are more equal" George Orwell (I thought it was him, not sure.)

[Grim_Jokes]

Women are also more emotional and can't think straight when needed to. There is a reason why men are in power, even today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol? not only are women emotional, anyone can be, what kind of dumb things are you trying to portray here? have you ever met a homosexual man that isn't emotional sometimes? you're seriously losing my respect by such a cynical stereotype.. wow this makes me laugh hysterically!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you daft?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because a person(male) is a homosexual does NOT make them more emotional. I'm wondering you've ever met a homosexual person in real life...because you just said some of the stupid [cabbage] I've ever read. I definetly don't need your respect; let alone want it. I've met homosexuals. I've even done landscaping for them. They seemed like normal guys. You seem to be making assumptions about the small portion of the gay community while I'm making it off the majority.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm rather curious if you've ever been around a woman in your life to know what you're talking about, too.

[Viktorkrum77]

 

Women are also more emotional and can't think straight when needed to. There is a reason why men are in power, even today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol? not only are women emotional, anyone can be, what kind of dumb things are you trying to portray here? have you ever met a homosexual man that isn't emotional sometimes? you're seriously losing my respect by such a cynical stereotype.. wow this makes me laugh hysterically!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you daft?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because a person(male) is a homosexual does NOT make them more emotional. I'm wondering you've ever met a homosexual person in real life...because you just said some of the stupid [cabbage] I've ever read. I definetly don't need your respect; let alone want it. I've met homosexuals. I've even done landscaping for them. They seemed like normal guys. You seem to be making assumptions about the small portion of the gay community while I'm making it off the majority.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm rather curious if you've ever been around a woman in your life to know what you're talking about, too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed. Not all gay men walk around wearing pink and stilettos and going, "Oh no he didn't!". I've met some of the most many gay men before, like a gay wrestler. Yes, it is proven gay people have heightened amounts of, or are attracted to testosterone or estrogen, but those levels can vary depending. You Arc, are making what we call a STEREOTYPE!

[hellbellz]

Everyone should be treated equally-- who cares about color, race, where they live, what friends they have.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't care if I was about to die, if a male or female surgeon saved me, I'd rather have the one with more knowledge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, women SHOULD be forced to sign for the draft. Is it not equal?

[malo2]

All this about equality and freedom of women is FOOLISHNESS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The struggle for women's rights is a story of strong women. Women cannot achieve their full potential as free and equal members of society. Many women engaged in activities intimately grounded in feminism have not considered themselves feminists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you think women have their place in society? If you think they do, elaborate. Are they doing anything to "de-mean" themselves, I have an idea of what they're doing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you think they don't? Why? Is it because of the arrogance of men? Because of stereotypes? Elaborate.

before i can answer your question im going to have to know: why wouldn't they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

before you ask, im a guy.

 

 

 

Some women back track femminism becauce of society. They don't want to be treated differently example if a woman hits a man thats fine. If a man hits a woman there up in arms when each side is as bad as the other. Society has to change for women to have true equality.

exactly, and its the same thing with racism, if you want true equality then you have to stop worrying about it. For example, it was on the news alot, some black guy got shot by white cops near a strip club, the cops thought he had a weapon. If a white person was shot, it would never make it to the news, but because the cops were white, and the victim was black, there was a huge uproar about it. The incident wasn't racist, the uproar was.