A Moral Issue

[Guest XplsvBam]

Our government is against prostitution. Why? Because it is morally wrong AND dangerous for society.

 

 

 

Our government is against drug trafficing. Why? Because it is morally wrong AND dangerous for society.

 

 

 

Our government is against child labor. Why? Because it is morally wrong AND dangerous for society.

 

 

 

Our government is against rape. Why? Because it is morally wrong AND dangerous for society.

 

 

 

Our government is against incest. Why? Because it is morally wrong AND dangerous for society.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why is incest morally wrong? Maybe because it isn't natural? Not socially accepted?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOTE: I am using natural in the its 'not an abomination' kind of way. Not that it doesn't happen naturally. Because incest does happen naturally otherwise there wouldn't be incest. Artificial incest? Not so likely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If homosexuality is morally right they would be able to come up with an argument against incest right? Everyone agrees incest is wrong. Should be easy right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Incest is alright because they were born with there feelings."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is a homosexual about to argue against that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Our government SHOULD be against homosexuality. Why? Because it is morally wrong AND dangerous for society.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Is it wrong for a government to have morals? Does it inflict on any constitutional rights?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm not telling you what you should think, I'm just telling you to THINK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Note if you think I'm wrong, prove it. Come up with an argument against incest.

[tripsis]

I wouldn't really consider it morally wrong. But I think the major difference between incest and homosexuality is the genetic complications or whatever that go along with incest (don't really know too much about it).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, I'm against government all together. Just because I hate the idea of being told by someone else what is right, what is wrong, and what I can and cannot do. I have an authority issue :-w

[Trade_With]

It's been proven that children born of incestuous relationships have a higher chance of being born with mental/physical disabilities.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, turns out if you google this it's quite a hot debate..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A major argument against incest is genetics. If you allow two closely related people to marry, their offspring may be prone to some serious defects because he or she would have genetic defects and poor general health. However, this argument fails under the regime of gay marriage because many genetically flawed people who will have children that will develop deadly diseases are allowed to marry. In addition, with gay marriage, we say that reproductive potential between the marriage partners is irrelevant, so who are we to say that the potential of reproductive defects should stop people from getting married?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Best quote I could find at the mo.

[Celt23]

Our government SHOULD be against homosexuality. Why? Because it is morally wrong AND dangerous for society.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It isn't dangerous. There's a plenty of countries who allow same-sex marriage and they don't have any problems with it.

[knives669]

I find incest to be morally wrong and disturbing, but as far as I'm concerned, even though I think it's wrong, people can do whatever they want. As long as it's not harming anyone (you know it being consensual and everything). And if they wanna do a family member, that's fine with me just as long as they don't try to get me involved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only argument that I can really think of against incest is that it is dangerous in the fact that (and correct me if I'm wrong) babies born out of incest have an extremely high chance of fatal birth defects. And even if they aren't fatal, they are birth defects nonetheless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here some may say that the child being born unhealthy is nature's punishment for incest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like to think that, yes, it is natural, but the government is against it because of what can happen to conceived children because of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, correct me if I'm wrong about the birth defects.

[Celt23]

I find incest to be morally wrong and disturbing, but as far as I'm concerned, even though I think it's wrong, people can do whatever they want. As long as it's not harming anyone (you know it being consensual and everything). And if they wanna do a family member, that's fine with me just as long as they don't try to get me involved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only argument that I can really think of against incest is that it is dangerous in the fact that (and correct me if I'm wrong) babies born out of incest have an extremely high chance of fatal birth defects. And even if they aren't fatal, they are birth defects nonetheless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here some may say that the child being born unhealthy is nature's punishment for incest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like to think that, yes, it is natural, but the government is against it because of what can happen to conceived children because of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, correct me if I'm wrong about the birth defects.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Incest is wrong by nature, Darwin did alot of research on it. He found out all living things do the best they can to avoid inbreeding since it leads to defects, not passing on genes and infertility. So incest is both technically and morally wrong.

[Adam007]

I find your argument to be kind of fallacious. Marriage of family members isn't analogous to marriage of people of the same sex.

 

 

 

Because it is morally wrong AND dangerous for society.

 

 

 

#1: Morals depend on the person. You might think it's morally wrong, but that's your opinion.

 

 

 

#2: It's just not dangerous for society. Homosexual relationships just aren't. I can't see how someone can form that kind of an opinion. It's not effecting other people so besides the fact that it makes you feel all wrong and upset inside, how does it really affect you? You're a part of society, and you're claiming it's so detrimental. Like you, I find the thought of male homosexual intercourse pretty gross, but unlike you, I don't let that emotion get in the way of simple logic.

[Guest XplsvBam]

I wouldn't really consider it morally wrong. But I think the major difference between incest and homosexuality is the genetic complications or whatever that go along with incest (don't really know too much about it).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, I'm against government all together. Just because I hate the idea of being told by someone else what is right, what is wrong, and what I can and cannot do. I have an authority issue :-w

Its ironic how you are against government yet you are a moderator. You tell people what they can and can not post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that incest has genetic complications. But so does homosexuality, a striking one is that lack of coherent body parts. Homosexuality is in fact sexual relationships with individuals of the same gender. It gets pretty genetically complicated when you don't have the tools of the trade to work with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But regardless of genetic complications you should be able to do the following. Unless the definition of morally right is the absence of genetic complications.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If homosexuality isn't morally wrong prove that incest is morally wrong. I repeat, morally, not genetically.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

#1: Morals depend on the person. You might think it's morally wrong, but that's your opinion.

 

 

 

#2: It's just not dangerous for society. Homosexual relationships just aren't. I can't see how someone can form that kind of an opinion. It's not effecting other people so besides the fact that it makes you feel all wrong and upset inside, how does it really affect you? You're a part of society, and you're claiming it's so detrimental. Like you, I find the thought of male homosexual intercourse pretty gross, but unlike you, I don't let that emotion get in the way of simple logic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

#1 If morals depend on the person then why doesn't our government allow incest, prostitution, rape, ect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because the role of the government is to protect the interest of its people. Its pretty obvious that they need morals to protect our interests.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

#2 Homosexuality is dangerous to society because it is morally wrong. If you don't agree that morally wrong issues are dangerous to society then why isn't prostitution legal?

[Celt23]

I find your argument to be kind of fallacious. Marriage of family members isn't analogous to marriage of people of the same sex.

 

 

 

Because it is morally wrong AND dangerous for society.

 

 

 

#1: Morals depend on the person. You might think it's morally wrong, but that's your opinion.

 

 

 

#2: It's just not dangerous for society. Homosexual relationships just aren't. I can't see how someone can form that kind of an opinion. It's not effecting other people so besides the fact that it makes you feel all wrong and upset inside, how does it really affect you? You're a part of society, and you're claiming it's so detrimental.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

#1 Not correct, there are universal morals like "murdering is wrong". These morals are overall very beneficial.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

#2 100% agreed.

[BlueLancer]

Our government is against prostitution. Why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Prostitution is legal and taxed, for example in Germany.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our government is against drug trafficing. Why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Almost all drugs are legal and taxed, for example in The Netherlands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our government is against child labor. Why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many countries haven't signed UN treaties for the prohibition of child labor because the families WANT their children to work, the family would be in even more extreme poverty otherwise, for example in over 40 countries in the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our government is against assault. Why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure what you mean, but yeah, an assault is completely illegal and no human could wish it's legal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our government SHOULD be against homosexuality. Why? Because it is morally wrong AND dangerous for society.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gay marriage is allowed in many countries, for example, South Africa, Canada, The Netherlands...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You fail to see YOUR government's morals aren't absolute. The american government even advocates the death penalty which has been abolished in just about every other western nation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So is everybody in those countries 'evil', because they allowed their governments to pass those laws?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. It's just that your morals are too absolute and different morals apply in different cultures. What's wrong to you, is natural to the other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They think prostitution is right, and the death penalty is wrong. You think prostitution is wrong, but the death penalty is right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which one has a better moral standing, given that prostitution kills nobody, and killing is the ultimate form of stealing a person's freedom and rights to live a life?

[Guest XplsvBam]

[assault] is a censor for r to the ape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You missed my point blue lancer. The American government has these morals because its in the best interest of its people. They may be right or wrong but that is irrelevant since I'm only comparing homosexuality to incest. Everyone agrees incest is wrong, but not everyone agrees homosexuality is wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if homosexuality isn't wrong you would be able to prove that incest is MORALLY wrong, since everyone, including homosexuals, agree its MORALLY wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*going to bed, someone please hold down the fort from both view points, thanks*

[Grim_Jokes]

[assault] is a censor for r to the ape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You missed my point blue lancer. The American government has these morals because its in the best interest of its people. They may be right or wrong but that is irrelevant since I'm only comparing homosexuality to incest. Everyone agrees incest is wrong, but not everyone agrees homosexuality is wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if homosexuality isn't wrong you would be able to prove that incest is MORALLY wrong, since everyone, including homosexuals, agree its MORALLY wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*going to bed, someone please hold down the fort from both view points, thanks*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The American goverment has the morals/views on homosexuality because a majority if not all politicians are *gasp* religious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's how people get into politics in the first place. One gains a lot of connections if they worship the same deity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Homosexuality and incest are completely seperate things. Homosexuality harms nobody while incest harms our future.

[tripsis]

Its ironic how you are against government yet you are a moderator. You tell people what they can and can not post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't find it ironic at all :P They're two completely different things. The government basically controls how people live their lives. It's mostly the politics and all the structure that I don't agree with. Whereas this is just a forum. I help keep it clean and direct people to the correct place to post their topics. I'm not telling them how to live their lives, just pointing people in the right direction. Government is far more extreme, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone agrees incest is wrong, but not everyone agrees homosexuality is wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if homosexuality isn't wrong you would be able to prove that incest is MORALLY wrong, since everyone, including homosexuals, agree its MORALLY wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol this is getting so complicated, I barely understood that last part. Not everyone agrees that incest is wrong.. That's why some people engage in it :wink: But yes, I think we can say that most people agree that it is wrong in some sense.

[Rebdragon]

I find your argument to be kind of fallacious. Marriage of family members isn't analogous to marriage of people of the same sex.

 

 

 

Because it is morally wrong AND dangerous for society.

 

 

 

#1: Morals depend on the person. You might think it's morally wrong, but that's your opinion.

 

 

 

There are universal laws concerning morals. Personal morals are merely how we interpret what the universal morals really are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And personally, I don't find incest morally wrong. I still think it's weird though, based on how I've been raised in this world :lol: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, creating a baby with close relatives is another story, people just shouldn't try that :? .

[Tigra00]

Silence, bigots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When your only argument is religion, it's time to just sit back and shut up. Your religion does not apply to everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For the last time, HOMOSEXUALS DO NOT HARM YOU. YOU ARE JUST A HOMOPHOBE.

[unknownmasterofnothing]

A lot of those things, people formed groups to fight against, such as child labor, mothers keeping prostitution off the streets, assault... I don't think anyone would want to be assaulted. People in different countries form the governments you see today.

[warri0r45]

 

I find incest to be morally wrong and disturbing, but as far as I'm concerned, even though I think it's wrong, people can do whatever they want. As long as it's not harming anyone (you know it being consensual and everything). And if they wanna do a family member, that's fine with me just as long as they don't try to get me involved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only argument that I can really think of against incest is that it is dangerous in the fact that (and correct me if I'm wrong) babies born out of incest have an extremely high chance of fatal birth defects. And even if they aren't fatal, they are birth defects nonetheless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here some may say that the child being born unhealthy is nature's punishment for incest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like to think that, yes, it is natural, but the government is against it because of what can happen to conceived children because of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, correct me if I'm wrong about the birth defects.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Incest is wrong by nature, Darwin did alot of research on it. He found out all living things do the best they can to avoid interbreeding since it leads to defects, not passing on genes and infertility. So incest is both technically and morally wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with the evolutionary standpoint. More specifically, I see morality as an evolutionary tool to enhance our survival rates and abilities to reproduce. Hence those with morals can live longer and stronger in a sense of community which all helps us to reproduce more. Now according to the fact that incest creates deformities by nature, it is seen as immoral because it does not utilise the strength, health or unity of the race which all diminish our abilities to reproduce and pass on our genes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just a theory I espouse to.

[chris1216]

Any argument that incest is bad because inbreeding causes genetic problems (which is true) is, by definition, eugenic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just a thought.

[KnightLite]

Think of all the mutated births we would have.... All the babies with physical abnormalities :S

[assassin_696]

You're right, I can't really prove that incest is a danger to society (if children don't come out of it), but common sense dictates that it just isn't right.

[Duke_Freedom]

Both things are unnatural. Incest may be considered "morally wrong" / "dangerous" as the chances of having a child with physical or mental abnormalities is greatly increased.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then again, homosexuality can be considered "dangerous" as well. The way it is being 'accepted' right now, especially here in Holland, gives people the impression that it is completely natural - something I strongly disagree with.

[KnightLite]

Both things are unnatural. Incest may be considered "morally wrong" / "dangerous" as the chances of having a child with physical or mental abnormalities is greatly increased.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then again, homosexuality can be considered "dangerous" as well. The way it is being 'accepted' right now, especially here in Holland, gives people the impression that it is completely natural - something I strongly disagree with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm with you. I personally think homosexuality is wrong. However, i'm more of a moderate, and I don't think the right of marriage should be taken away from them. It is just wrong tho. The fact that my kids in the future could grow up in a society where it's perfectly normal to be gay, just disgusts me personally..

[Lionheart_0]

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Who cares if its natural or not, or if people get that opinion. Its their own choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I errr... dont really see a problem with incest. Although its pretty much creepy to do it with family members.... err well i don't have an argument because i never really thought about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and for those talking about birth defects, thats not the exact case. The problem with incest is that you are taking two sets of DNA that perhaps might have the same problems (i.e. One woman has DNA that makes her have a higher chance of heart problems, Her son has The same Chance of heart problems) and it makes the chances for problems. (So now that we have two sets of DNA that are both having a high chance of heart problems, we have doubled the chances of these heart problems.) Probably not the best explanation, but the offspring of incest will not come out with like three eyes, or extra/missing limbs. Its not those kinds of defects that happen, just defects in the DNA have a greater chance.

[Guest XplsvBam]

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Who cares if its natural or not, or if people get that opinion. Its their own choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is also a siblings choice to have sex with another sibling, so why is that against the law but now homosexuality?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So far the only argument backing up homosexuality is that it is the persons choice to do/act how they want to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So why are people only fighting for homosexuality and not other things like taking dumps on the street. I'm pretty sure some people would find that to be convenient.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*off to school*

[Tigra00]

 

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Who cares if its natural or not, or if people get that opinion. Its their own choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is also a siblings choice to have sex with another sibling, so why is that against the law but now homosexuality?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So far the only argument backing up homosexuality is that it is the persons choice to do/act how they want to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So why are people only fighting for homosexuality and not other things like taking dumps on the street. I'm pretty sure some people would find that to be convenient.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*off to school*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off smarty, you're late to the party. What I mean by that is that your brain obvious has yet to arrive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is a good reason people can't crap in the street. Mainly because it's not cool to have streets that smell like crap, look like crap, and in general are covered in...crap. It's unsanitary. It's disrespectful. 'Kay?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Homosexuality is okay because it's none of the above. Seems to me, though, that you're comparing homosexuals to crap in the street. Very nice of you. Again, good job being a bigot. Very classy. I bet when you see two dudes kissing you absolutely freak out and run away, don't you? I'd put money on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is something you have to face. Homosexuals do not hurt you. They don't hurt society. Infact, one could make a very strong argument (stronger than your flimsy debate) that homosexuality is actually good for society. It helps a lil' bit with population control. But of course, you religious zealots misunderstand the Bible and think it's STILL your job to populate the Earth even though God commanded only Adam to, not EVERYONE. That's why I can't look out my window on Sunday without seeing a gigantic train of families flooding into the church. One lady across the street from me has TEN CHILDREN, aged newborn to 20 years. Nice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just admit it. Your only excuse is something the Bible says. It doesn't hurt anyone, it doesn't hurt you...It isn't responsible for the down-fall of society (religion is responsible for that), and it's just fine. Is it unnatural? Yes, because we reproduce with a male and female. Does that make it omgwtfwrong? No, it doesn't. Apparently, it's a genetic thing, some people think. If that's true, then they can't help it anyways. It's the equivalent of you pointing at someone with Downs Syndrome and saying "Haha, loser!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Grow up and stop thumping your Bible. You're going to ruin it.