Well if that's what you read, you are obviously not reading it correctly. Well based on the fact you have demonstrated no knowledge in the field, how else am I supposed to judge your decision. All you have said is you wish to put money into a business, yet you haven't mentioned anything else about the business, only that other people are stupid to get a degree, when you agree yourself that a degree is good to have as a back-up plan. Which is a contradiction in itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Demonstrate knowledge to me and I will take you seriously. You are willing to risk everything with no back-up plan. I am saying a risk can be worth it if you have plans to fail. If all your expectations are that you will win, you are foolish. And judging by the fact you have no back-up plan for if you fail, I consider your knowledge of the field to be very flawed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am saying that work is a RELIABLE source of income as opposed to risk. And it is true, you have to work to get anywhere in life. If you want to go on the stock market, you must WORK TO FIND OUT ANYTHING ABOUT IT. There's no such thing as a free ride.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jesus Christ.

Try entering into programmer through game development.. they don't care if you got a degree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wanna bet? Programmers are not in huge demand, and competition for the job is immense. My point, having a degree > than no having a degree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's how our world works, deal with it. I would never trust someone without a degree if I was a boss. I would never dare hire them for lack of knowledge and experience.

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=570557

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wrote it myself.. not bad for a person who has doesn't have a degree or makes no sense, don't you agree?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You guys are pretty negative, you should read some positive self help books! :|

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

You know, there are companies who back people who take risks in business, I could name some now. But you know what you need to even come close to associating with said companies, a DEGREE!!

You wrote a runescape guide? Way smarter than me. Why didn't you tell me? This provides all the knowledge you need to know about making money in real life and how the stock markets work. Kudos.

You wrote a runescape guide? Way smarter than me. Why didn't you tell me? This provides all the knowledge you need to know about making money in real life and how the stock markets work. Kudos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Read it, the principals inside relate to real life, not just a video game. There you go again.. making assumptions on what you think I know, vs what I really know..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

I read the most part of it, which is more than can be said of you and reading my posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again posting a topic about how to make money in runescape is nothing to what I asked you to prove. Anyone can make money in runescape, hell when I played I owned a purple and 5 santas, and you know how I got that? Fletching. Cutting wood, making bowstrings, making nats and alching.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am saying you are foolish to go into a big risk investment with no damn back-up plan. Simple enough.

I read the most part of it, which is more than can be said of you and reading my posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again posting a topic about how to make money in runescape is nothing to what I asked you to prove. Anyone can make money in runescape, hell when I played I owned a purple and 5 santas, and you know how I got that? Fletching. Cutting wood, making bowstrings, making nats and alching.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am saying you are foolish to go into a big risk investment with no damn back-up plan. Simple enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like your not reading my posts now. :|

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. You must have skimmed it very fast, the book takes about 45 mins to a hour read, but you posted something in 3 mins or less.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Yeah, you "worked" for it. You slaved away making nats day in and day out. Thats mentioned in the book, chapter 2 i believe. Its called "having a job in Runescape".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. You don't know excatly what I have in my finicial life other than a free 1k and trust me, I know what i'm doing obviously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Otherwise.. I shouldn't be writing money books.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well.. now that that is over.. *hopefully*... anyone know what else I could put on the list to buy? :mrgreen:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

Don't tell me how fast I can read. I mainly read the parts that did not relate directly to runescape, and skimmed over anything that said an item in runescape. My point to that was yes I worked for it and still got results better than other people. I didn't make nats day in day out, that was the point of my damn post. I can work and still get the results in a short space of time, compared to people who just slave at certain things and get nowhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like I said, you said nothing about your background, your work and you are making bold statements telling everyone a degree is a waste of time when you clearly said to me that it is a good back up plan so how is that worthless? Investing money in a back-up plan is not worthless if you have the capacity to earn the money you put into it, back. You say life is not about money, yet you seem to plan your life around it? This makes no sense to me.

Don't tell me how fast I can read. I mainly read the parts that did not relate directly to runescape, and skimmed over anything that said an item in runescape. My point to that was yes I worked for it and still got results better than other people. I didn't make nats day in day out, that was the point of my damn post. I can work and still get the results in a short space of time, compared to people who just slave at certain things and get nowhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like I said, you said nothing about your background, your work and you are making bold statements telling everyone a degree is a waste of time when you clearly said to me that it is a good back up plan so how is that worthless? Investing money in a back-up plan is not worthless if you have the capacity to earn the money you put into it, back. You say life is not about money, yet you seem to plan your life around it? This makes no sense to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thats easy to do. Infact, EVERYONE can do it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go make nats.. then once you have enough, buy a santa and your set for life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now apply that to real life.. work alittle, get a pay check, invest in a business, make profit out of it, quit your job, and enjoy life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How is that so hard to understand?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A degree is worthless if its your MAIN plan, such as working a career for 50 years, but as a back up its okay, as long as you don't hold onto it as your option for living your life because thats a life of slavery.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

I am saying that life is not like runescape you cannot just buy a santa hat and then live life after that, it is that it involves a great risk, and even with all the knowledge in the world you can fail. If i remember correctly you said that a degree was worthless and that's it. Just because you choose to live your life that way does not make it correct and that everyone is an idiot for not seeing it your way. You call it slave to work, but my dad has been in his job for God knows how long now, and he loves it, a Finance Director and he enjoys going to work. He earns a good amount of money and you know what? He got 2 degrees, and they helped him get a job with a very high starting pay. He is not living a life of slavery if he earns plentiful money and enjoys doing so. Just because it is not the path for you does not mean that everyone else who does that is stupid.

I am saying that life is not like runescape you cannot just buy a santa hat and then live life after that, it is that it involves a great risk, and even with all the knowledge in the world you can fail. If i remember correctly you said that a degree was worthless and that's it. Just because you choose to live your life that way does not make it correct and that everyone is an idiot for not seeing it your way. You call it slave to work, but my dad has been in his job for God knows how long now, and he loves it, a Finance Director and he enjoys going to work. He earns a good amount of money and you know what? He got 2 degrees, and they helped him get a job with a very high starting pay. He is not living a life of slavery if he earns plentiful money and enjoys doing so. Just because it is not the path for you does not mean that everyone else who does that is stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just think if he had 5 million dollars. Think of all the more stuff he could enjoying doing that as a hobby? Rather than the "neccessity" to show up, or worry he can't pay the bills?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

So your main plan in life is to go to a path where there's only a slim chance of a success rate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you believe that whatever you invest in will always return you a profit? Laughable.

I am saying that it is not guaranteed he will win. If it was, then everyone would be millionaires. Not everyone has the guts, money nor common sense to invest money in the stock market. Just because it is what you want to do, doesn't make everyone else's choices worthless and a waste of time.

So your main plan in life is to go to a path where there's only a slim chance of a success rate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you believe that whatever you invest in will always return you a profit? Laughable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You said that, not me :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, comming to conclusions.. alot of people seem to do that.. :|

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

Your posts seem to indicate that life is so simple. You don't need to go to school, just put all your money into businesses and you will be a millionaire. There is no need for work because you can get everything for free. If you work you are a slave and wasting your time, when you could just simply put all your money into a business and bam, you never need to work again. There isn't much else to grasp from what you are posting. You can only speak for yourself, you can't try telling people that they are wasting their lives, when what you are trying to promote has only a percentage chance of success, and could end in you FAILING.

Hmm..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, I'd just leave it in my bank, infact I'm doing that right now XD

I don't like to judge, but seriously, how old are you? Life isn't all that simple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets take your Runescape -> Real Life analogy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go make nats.. then once you have enough, buy a santa and your set for life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now apply that to real life.. work alittle, get a pay check, invest in a business, make profit out of it, quit your job, and enjoy life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can't apply "Buying a Santa Hat" akin to an investment in real life. Stocks rise and fall, Santas rise and fall, yes, but they eventually go up. Stocks do not eventually, 100% guaranteed return you a profit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you do get a profit, then good for you, you were in luck. There are ways, yes, to predict the stock market, but they aren't always 100% guaranteed predictions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What you're saying here, is that you want to put your future into the hands of luck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With a degree, you have broader horizons, more opportunities. Sure, get a degree, get a well paying job, then use that money to invest. Even if your investments fail, you still have your degree, don't you.

You guys must have never heard of the K.I.S.S. Principal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keep

 

 

 

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Simple

 

 

 

Stupid

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Complexity only makes things.. complex.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL @ Degree again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You guys will find out how much a degree is later in life when they say "we'll call you".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you guys enjoy knowing that 8 hours of your entire day is going to be spent at a workplace for the next 30 to 40 years.. go ahead.. :|

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rich people aren't rich because they work at a job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

How many times? If it was so damn simple don't you think everyone would be millionaires? If it was so easy to do, we would all be doing it. You are laughing again at degrees, yet you agreed to them before. With the risk of being insanely rich comes the risk of being insanely poor. It is not an instant way of becoming a millionaire. I would never risk everything in it for fear I will lose everything, because you cannot predict the outcome.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Laughing at those who get a degree is only aggravating me more as you seem to think that there is only one way to live your life. Your way. Just because it works for you does not make it the only way, and that working and earning an honest living is laughable. Ever thought that I may want to work for 30-40 years? That the achievement of working so hard only makes my retirement sweeter? That I will appreciate my time off a lot more because I have worked hard?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing about what I or others have been saying is complex. It is more simple than risking everything you own and facing bankruptcy.

How many times? If it was so damn simple don't you think everyone would be millionaires? If it was so easy to do, we would all be doing it. You are laughing again at degrees, yet you agreed to them before. With the risk of being insanely rich comes the risk of being insanely poor. It is not an instant way of becoming a millionaire. I would never risk everything in it for fear I will lose everything, because you cannot predict the outcome.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Laughing at those who get a degree is only aggravating me more as you seem to think that there is only one way to live your life. Your way. Just because it works for you does not make it the only way, and that working and earning an honest living is laughable. Ever thought that I may want to work for 30-40 years? That the achievement of working so hard only makes my retirement sweeter? That I will appreciate my time off a lot more because I have worked hard?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing about what I or others have been saying is complex. It is more simple than risking everything you own and facing bankruptcy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously you think I will risk it all. Those are your words, not mine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And a degree is a good fall back plan, but its very time consuming. Your thinking like a middle-class man. Which is probably how you will live your life in the next 20-40 years income wise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You also stated you live in fear. Fear of being bankrupt, fear is what makes you never achieve the unachievable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Poor is eternal and a mental mindset, Broke is a circumstance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not hating on you and your degree, but those who are getting degree's are setting themselfs up into high paid slavery. Your bondage to your own money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why do people get up and go to work everyday.. even though they don't want to! Because they are bonded in chains by money for Fear of losing their house or bills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its worry this and worry that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you think I handle my money carelessly? Obviously not, because money is what is keeping me at my job day in and day out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Degree's can get you to a certain place in life, but they are not this great, overwhelming experience you seem to think it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You may love your new job, but your still at a job, reguardless if your certified, uncertified.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How about never worrying having to go to work again? Instead, you get up and do that on YOUR time, whenever you feel like it.. and do it as a hobby? No, you'll be getting up every 8 hours for the rest of your life till retirement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You may love your job, but your still subject to its rules and its policys, so your a slave reguardless of your pay. And yes, you will have to suck up to your supervisor when he gets a attitude with you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great life?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

But if you are not a slave to your job, you are a slave to society. You cannot live exactly the way you wish to, because you have to follow rules, regardless of what you do or how much money you have. I would much prefer to get my degree, work 'til I'm 60 provide for my family and retire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am scared of this because you can lose everything. Having a degree will surely help you recover, but the factor that you can just lose money like that is not appealing. I would rather only gain income by working hard and making and honest woman out of myself, and appreciate my free time when I retire. There is no guarantee I will win at stock market, so I would rather get a job day in day out where it is guaranteed I will only earn money. It makes more sense to me like this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I finally respect your arguement this time. But my point is that it is not the most ideal way of living. I would not enjoy this, and so therefore will get my degree and work for my living. Laughing at this decision is very ignorant as it is my life choice and a correct choice for me. I don't see me earning money in a job as slavery, I see it as honest and well earned work. I see it as something to be proud of and a great acheivement. I look forward to my sense of achievement at retirement as working for so long will make me feel like I have achieved something in life, and have been successful. I don't believe that is something to look down on.

But if you are not a slave to your job, you are a slave to society. You cannot live exactly the way you wish to, because you have to follow rules, regardless of what you do or how much money you have. I would much prefer to get my degree, work 'til I'm 60 provide for my family and retire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am scared of this because you can lose everything. Having a degree will surely help you recover, but the factor that you can just lose money like that is not appealing. I would rather only gain income by working hard and making and honest woman out of myself, and appreciate my free time when I retire. There is no guarantee I will win at stock market, so I would rather get a job day in day out where it is guaranteed I will only earn money. It makes more sense to me like this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I finally respect your arguement this time. But my point is that it is not the most ideal way of living. I would not enjoy this, and so therefore will get my degree and work for my living. Laughing at this decision is very ignorant as it is my life choice and a correct choice for me. I don't see me earning money in a job as slavery, I see it as honest and well earned work. I see it as something to be proud of and a great acheivement. I look forward to my sense of achievement at retirement as working for so long will make me feel like I have achieved something in life, and have been successful. I don't believe that is something to look down on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Life is not meant to be lived for 1 self. Yes its great your going to provide a good stable income for your family, but what about other people? Those in need?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We all know that you can't help those when you lack. I don't want to get rich for me (heck, I only need 100k for the next 10 years!), I want to produce that kind of money for others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A job only produces you resources enough for Your family. It never produces enough to give to others or make someone elses dreams come true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When people hit age 30, they then begin to such for significance in life, so for me, to prevent the "mid life crysis" stage, I plan to begin that significance now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

But at the end of the day, I want to look out for number one. Myself and my family are my main priority and so those I would want to help first. Of course I would love to help those in need, but if it means put myself in potential jeopardy, I would rather not take that risk. It is very selfish and I will admit to that, but this is what I would like to achieve. I can help others without the use of money, it doesn't take too much time is something I can achieve today and everyday. I volunteer at a youth centre during Summer, it costs me nothing and helps out my community.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The problem for me then comes to, if you have a lot of money, how do you distinguish those who need money more than others, and methods of giving it to them. It is all well and good with those intentions, but more difficult to separate the really needy from the not so needy. Hope you understand that.

I'm not hating on you and your degree, but those who are getting degree's are setting themselfs up into high paid slavery. Your bondage to your own money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why do people get up and go to work everyday.. even though they don't want to! Because they are bonded in chains by money for Fear of losing their house or bills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets go through all the things that are wrong here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) Assuming you can get all of your money from the stock market without spending years learning the trade, i.e. achieving something akin to a degree, is naieve at best.

 

 

 

2) Work is not slavery. Rediculous comparison, really.

 

 

 

3) Your assuming everyone dislikes thier job. Wrong. Some people love what they do and getting up every day to go to work. 4) People don't have jobs out of fear. Getting a degree and having a job means contributing to society.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm starting a degree at university this year. If you think degrees are such a waste of time, never go to the doctor, dentist, an accountant for financial help etc, etc.