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A Guide to Chinning in Ape Atoll


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Ever since I’ve been chinning at Ape Atoll, the amount of topics regarding chinning at Help & Advice annoyed me a lot. All the topics had the same question: “How much will it cost me to 99?” Besides that, there were also the people that said you should go to mummies, because you get good drops there. Lastly, you had people telling lies like “bring prayer gear to save prayer pots and save money”. Before the rollback, Muggiwhplar had a great guide on this subject. Now it's gone, and I hope I can replace his guide with something at least as good.


First, I will start with 4 general truths. Those may be very obvious to some people, however, there are stil way too many misconceptions about it.


  • Chinning in Ape Atoll is the most cost efficient. It’s faster AND cheaper.
  • Using prayer saves you money. Yes! It lets you get more xp per chinchompa, which saves you more money (+ time) than the cost of the prayer potions.
  • Full void is worth it. I have personally not used Armadyl to compare, but if I compare my xp rates to other people’s, it seems clear it is.
  • Grey chins are in most cases more cost efficient than red ones. This does depend on how much money you can make per hour though. EDIT: As of 20 january 2011, moneymaking methods have improved a lot, and 1m/h is peanuts for most people. This is why I advice to use red chinchompa's these days. Have a look in the guide for more detailed info though.

I will prove all 4 points throughout this guide. Atm, I am missing reliable information on point 3. I have personally never tried armadyl, so I wouldn't know how it compares. However, when I compare my xp rates to the rates other people who use dhide or armadyl are getting, it seems clear void IS better.


Okay, let’s start with the guide:


Requirements


Inventory and equipment


All right, the inventory is covered, let’s continue with how to get there. This section will be short, cause it isn’t the essention of my guide.

Getting there


The next section is about the chinning itself. This is the most important part (together with the xp rates) of my guide. Make sure to read these in detail, because this is what might make the difference!

The chinning itself


Next are the xp rates, probably the most interesting part of this guide. (for the countless threads in H&A: "how much does it cost and how long does it take to chin to 99 ranged"). While training 90-99, I’ve kept track of XP rates using different prayers and different chinchompa’s

First, I'll start with a condensed version of the xp rates and costs. If you want to get into detail, check the detailed version.

Condensed version of xp rates


Detailed version of xp Rates


Choosing what offensive prayer to use


Comparing Ape Atoll monkeys to Mummies


FAQ


Credits




Allright, that’s it. I hope you learned something from this guide :-)

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You can hit more than 9 targets with chin?



Anyways the xp rate thingy hurts my eye :D
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You can hit more than 9 targets with chin?



Anyways the xp rate thingy hurts my eye :D




where did you read that?

And I fixed it now. Apparently, you can't just copy your excel sheets. I just wrote them down manually now.

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Not bad, almost as good as Muggi's old guide :P
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You can hit more than 9 targets with chin?



Anyways the xp rate thingy hurts my eye :D




where did you read that?

And I fixed it now. Apparently, you can't just copy your excel sheets. I just wrote them down manually now.




The first picture has like 10 damage splat on it :?



So is that a yes or no :<img src=:' />
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You can hit more than 9 targets with chin?



Anyways the xp rate thingy hurts my eye :D




where did you read that?

And I fixed it now. Apparently, you can't just copy your excel sheets. I just wrote them down manually now.




The first picture has like 10 damage splat on it :?



So is that a yes or no :<img src=:' />




Read the guide in detail, and you will find out :-)

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Terrific! =D>



I'll give it a 10/10 for content, but a 7/10 for formatting. Aside from the initial few sections, the last sections are a bit hard to navigate through. My suggestion would be to organize that part better. I noticed very little use of text formatting (ex. bolding) in the xp rates section, which made it particularly hard to draw out the information needed (although admittingly it was fine). Another suggestion would be to provide a condensed version of the xp rate section, a few simple statements on xp and cost should do, and then provide the bigger explanation afterwards.



The NORTH-WEST CORNER picture in the Chinning section is broken for me (using Safari). You might want to look into that.



Other than that you have a fantastic guide!

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Terrific! =D>



I'll give it a 10/10 for content, but a 7/10 for formatting. Aside from the initial few sections, the last sections are a bit hard to navigate through. My suggestion would be to organize that part better. I noticed very little use of text formatting (ex. bolding) in the xp rates section, which made it particularly hard to draw out the information needed (although admittingly it was fine). Another suggestion would be to provide a condensed version of the xp rate section, a few simple statements on xp and cost should do, and then provide the bigger explanation afterwards.



The NORTH-WEST CORNER picture in the Chinning section is broken for me (using Safari). You might want to look into that.



Other than that you have a fantastic guide!


Thanks.



I do realise it might be a bit chaotic here and there...

In my head, everything was very clear, but once I was writing it all down, it didn't seem that structured anymore -.-



About the xp rates: I had them on excel sheets in tabels, and that was pretty clear, but excel tables cant just be copied on here. If you have any advice on how to show it, be my guest. I do remember some people showing their sheets on here, so I know it's possible.

I'll try and make these more organised.



I'm also a bit dissapointed how I can't provide real proof on how Void is better, and using 15% is better. If anyone has some tests to prove it, be my guest to post them here.

Numbers on mummies are also always welcome.

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Terrific! =D>



I'll give it a 10/10 for content, but a 7/10 for formatting. Aside from the initial few sections, the last sections are a bit hard to navigate through. My suggestion would be to organize that part better. I noticed very little use of text formatting (ex. bolding) in the xp rates section, which made it particularly hard to draw out the information needed (although admittingly it was fine). Another suggestion would be to provide a condensed version of the xp rate section, a few simple statements on xp and cost should do, and then provide the bigger explanation afterwards.



The NORTH-WEST CORNER picture in the Chinning section is broken for me (using Safari). You might want to look into that.



Other than that you have a fantastic guide!


Thanks.



I do realise it might be a bit chaotic here and there...

In my head, everything was very clear, but once I was writing it all down, it didn't seem that structured anymore -.-



About the xp rates: I had them on excel sheets in tabels, and that was pretty clear, but excel tables cant just be copied on here. If you have any advice on how to show it, be my guest. I do remember some people showing their sheets on here, so I know it's possible.

I'll try and make these more organised.



I'm also a bit dissapointed how I can't provide real proof on how Void is better, and using 15% is better. If anyone has some tests to prove it, be my guest to post them here.

Numbers on mummies are also always welcome.




Yes that's a common problem I have as well. When it's on paper it's always more confusing.



I think what those people did was take a Print Screen image of the chart on Excel and upload it. I may be wrong, but until you figure out a way it should do, unless you have a huge chart.



Oh btw, have you tried using the 10% prayer? It drains half the speed as 15% but it's only 1/3 less bonus. Seems good, but I may be wrong since I don't really range. It's this way for the melee prayers, so I assume it is for ranged

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I might do that then, cause just writing them down is indeed not very clear.



About the prayer: Actually, the only things I've ever used is 10% and 15% prayer. When comparing them, I got 15k extra xp per hour by using 15% in stead of 10%. I don't remember how much more prayer potions I used because of it, but it wasn't much more than 2-3. Let's go worst case, and say it's three. That means I have used 24k to gain 15k EXTRA xp. I have written "extra" in capitals, cause you can see it as "instant" xp. It didn't take extra time to get it. So I'm also saving time. Considering chinning is 2-3gp/xp, 24k gp to get 15k xp instantly, is a VERY good deal.



This test was done with red chinchompa's. With grey chins, the advantage wouldn't be that distinct, but probably still very much worth it. (if it stays 5% extra xp, it would be around 12-13k extra xp for the cost of 24k gp).



Based on this test, I think it's safe to say 15% is also worth it compared to NO offensive prayers.



the southwest corner picture ain't working for me either. I'll try and upload it another time (not on this pc).



Thanks for the feedback :-)



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I might do that then, cause just writing them down is indeed not very clear.



About the prayer: Actually, the only things I've ever used is 10% and 15% prayer. When comparing them, I got 15k extra xp per hour by using 15% in stead of 10%. I don't remember how much more prayer potions I used because of it, but it wasn't much more than 2-3. Let's go worst case, and say it's three. That means I have used 24k to gain 15k EXTRA xp. I have written "extra" in capitals, cause you can see it as "instant" xp. It didn't take extra time to get it. So I'm also saving time. Considering chinning is 2-3gp/xp, 24k gp to get 15k xp instantly, is a VERY good deal.



This test was done with red chinchompa's. With grey chins, the advantage wouldn't be that distinct, but probably still very much worth it. (if it stays 5% extra xp, it would be around 12-13k extra xp for the cost of 24k gp).



Based on this test, I think it's safe to say 15% is also worth it compared to NO offensive prayers.



the southwest corner picture ain't working for me either. I'll try and upload it another time (not on this pc).



Thanks for the feedback :-)



EDIT: also added FAQ to the guide.




Yeah that's probably true. Although from my experience with Superhuman Strength and Superhuman Reflexes, that wasn't the case, so I made that jump.



EDIT: Btw why do you use super restores? Aren't prayer potions more efficient?

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At that time, prayer potions were more expensive than super restores. Same price, more prayer restored and your summon pts (important for resummoning BoB or fighter) restored too, who doesn't want that. If I remember it right, prayer potions were 6.1k each and super restores only 6k each. I bought a good stock that would last me for 90-99 ranged then. Should have bought much more, it seems (they are what, 7k now?).



Made a condensed xp rate version btw. I must admit the grey chin rates are a bit made up (rough averages of a few data I had).

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At that time, prayer potions were more expensive than super restores. Same price, more prayer restored and your summon pts (important for resummoning BoB or fighter) restored too, who doesn't want that. If I remember it right, prayer potions were 6.1k each and super restores only 6k each. I bought a good stock that would last me for 90-99 ranged then. Should have bought much more, it seems (they are what, 7k now?).



Made a condensed xp rate version btw. I must admit the grey chin rates are a bit made up (rough averages of a few data I had).




Ah so it was only for that particular moment. Ok, that's crazy though super restores being cheaper than ppots lol :lol:

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You can hit more than 9 targets with chin?



Anyways the xp rate thingy hurts my eye :D




where did you read that?

And I fixed it now. Apparently, you can't just copy your excel sheets. I just wrote them down manually now.




The first picture has like 10 damage splat on it :?



So is that a yes or no :<img src=:' />




Read the guide in detail, and you will find out :-)




Ahh that explains it, it was your geyser titan :D
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Updated.



Fixed some typos, added some alternative gear, added something on dieing and some other small things I already forgot.



Also, if anybody has information on mummies, or chinning with/without prayer, on chinning with void compared to chinning with armadyl, or anything else that you think can be valauble, please share it here. I will add it in the guide and credit you.



EDIT: added a comparison to mummies. As I thought, Ape Atoll is cheaper AND faster. :-)



EDIT: added a picture of the dungeon and fixed some more stuff + added some more here and there. It's starting to look good :-)

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Nice guide! 10/10 :)



How many chins would I need from 77-85 Ranged? (I know you recommend not to chin until 85.. but.. :P)
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Nice guide! 10/10 :)



How many chins would I need from 77-85 Ranged? (I know you recommend not to chin until 85.. but.. :P)




I'm afraid I can't answer that question accurately. I do have xp/chin rates for 90 + rates, but for 85 and under, it's just guesswork.



But let's see... 77-85 is around 1.5M xp. At 90 ranged, the xp per grey chin is around 200. We'll make an estimate it's around 150 for your lvl. This way, you will need 10k chins, and it will cost you around 3.5M in chins. The pray pot cost is around 14 pray pots (4) per 1.3K chins. I'm too lazy to count that out too, but I'm sure you can.

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Nice guide! 10/10 :)



How many chins would I need from 77-85 Ranged? (I know you recommend not to chin until 85.. but.. :P)




I'm afraid I can't answer that question accurately. I do have xp/chin rates for 90 + rates, but for 85 and under, it's just guesswork.



But let's see... 77-85 is around 1.5M xp. At 90 ranged, the xp per grey chin is around 200. We'll make an estimate it's around 150 for your lvl. This way, you will need 10k chins, and it will cost you around 3.5M in chins. The pray pot cost is around 14 pray pots (4) per 1.3K chins. I'm too lazy to count that out too, but I'm sure you can.






Many thanks. It comes out at 870k on pray pots.

Does that sound about right? :)
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