compfreak847

I didn't get the sarcasm until the last few sentences :lol: Posting this so we don't have a small army of angry new players swarming to disrupt your vision of perfection.

Because it proved that the word your whole argument hinged on wasn't what you thought it was, and irrefutably proved my argument. No, just your made up definition for the words used. Actually, that's not even remotely related to what I did. In my argument, you said what I meant was different then what it was because the word couldn't be used that way - I proved it could, and won my argument with the benefit of having known what I meant beforehand. Now, I'm arguing against your interpretation of a word that you DON'T know the meaning behind, and the correct definition proves you wrong. That's odd, as mentioned in the past dozen pages or so wikipedia agrees completely with me. Perhaps there's a new edit I missed? It would be nice if you could point it out. Here we go again, pretending I said what I didn't. Now, as I said before, children cant act mature, but they can't be mature. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/act/ False show; pretense; feint: The politician's pious remarks were all an act. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/be/ To take place; happen; occur:

In this case it does, namely because it refuted your point. Yep. "Your" definition was wrong, and that's where your misunderstanding stemmed from - I showed you the correct definition, and that cleared up the issue. Do either of those three words have to do with maturity? I didn't think so. Not all definitions apply to every usage of the word :roll: Yep, that's exactly what I said. Do you have a point, or do you just like repeating my statements over and over?

Ah yes, you are indeed correct. How dare I use the dictionary definition of the exact word we're arguing about to prove my point! I don't recall ever saying otherwise. Great. I agree with you. Problem solved!

Your completely missing the point of passive charm gathering. All good training methods will give charms; right now I'm camping at demons for profit and melee XP, and as a side effect churning out thousands of crimsons. Charms are fairly easy to collect, and the time and cost are the balancing agent for one of the most powerful skills in Runescape, which brings me to my second point: You don't have the slightest clue how powerful it is. Your summoning level isn't even ranked. It's like complaining about the weakness of prayer at level 13. Summoning is invaluable in combat, triples trip length at bosses, boosts drops, productivity, XP, heals, and generally makes your life more convenient. Give it a test run. Train it halfway to level 92, then try it out and see how it is at 50% potential. I've made over 800m with summoning, don't try to tell me it's not useful.

Not planning on it, I'm simply here for the fun of debating :P

Nope, but you earn the right to ask. The ads won't cover it, they don't for ANYTHING FTP. And why shouldn't I assume that? Less money overall = Less Money into R&D = Fewer Updates. I posted my opinion, and argued with those who disagreed - the EXACT definition of discussing. Believe it or not, there's a bit of an overlap :roll: Hard drive space isn't free, and files must be carefully backed up and maintained. That said, I doubt storage is anything compared to bandwidth and processing power. But you get my point - that 7% of revenue from ads isn't covering over half the operating costs, and FTP is losing money. On average, less then PTPers, and since only PTP suggestions matter, they're going to get higher priority. Oh, so now you think FTP is more mature then PTP? This should be an interesting debate :roll:

Point being?

I don't recall freaking out anywhere. And if you don't pay, you don't decide what you get. Because it costs money for moderators and server resources to host forums, it doesn't just magically appear. An influx of FTPers, with lower age and maturity then the current set of PTPers will just mean more crap Jagex has to sort through to get to the real posts. Assumption based on the ranting going on about the 'high requirements' and just where the bar will be set. He's a company, not a charity. Yeah, he'll say whatever makes players think better of him, but actions speak louder then words. Because the title of this forum is 'general discussion'. Discussion: To consider or examine by argument, comment, etc. (Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discuss). As long as people continue to disagree with me, I'll disagree with them and back up my post. Be sure to let me know when the name changes to "agree with the OP or shut up" forum :roll:

It's still a use of our members money to host a forum for freeloaders with payback whatsoever... :lol:

I'm more of a lurker. I read a lot of threads, but I generally don't post (it would get lost in the flood of 'stuipd' posts anyway).

Edited in by Trottle: Do yourself a favor and read my posts. I've said literally dozens of times that though the XP sucks, I love the skill. Reading failure =D>

But there is conclusive proof that slayer tasks do not affect drops, you could have gotten that chain just as easily off task ;)

No, you still didn't. I said it in a positive way to FTP too - the ONLY positive part of FTP :? It was completely conclusive - FTP is nothing but a drag on Jagex, with operating costs far outstripping revenue, paid for out of member pockets. The ONLY reason for an update is to reel in more members, and any update that does not is simply depriving members of paid-for updates. Exactly what I said in my first post, with the proof to back it up. Aww, we had a good argument going :( That's what I said - the only reason they can do this is so that they can find out what high levels enjoy, then take it away from them and release a better PTP version of it. With comments like the '750,000 high level players', I don't have much hope on that front.

We've all been through starting FTP, and Jagex could care less about what high level FTP enjoys and what they don't - if anything, they'll take that and develop a members only version to convince more people to upgrade. Didn't realize that, sorry :P It most certainly can. Drop the average age and the average maturity drops along with it.

Discussion: To consider or examine by argument, comment, etc. (Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discuss) As long as people continue to disagree with me, I'll disagree with them and back up my post. I don't intend to apologize for being right, as I have complied with all of tip.its rules and stated my argument in a mature and well thought out fashion. Sorry, but any offense you draw out of that is your own fault and I take no responsibility for it.

Alright, then explain how to deal with each of these factors. The ONLY system currently suggest by Rag is wide open to RWT, it would be easier then using the old wilderness. Perhaps you could explain how to compensate for each of these without being overly restrictive or allowing RWT; #1. Times of the day make a HUGE difference in prices. Near 10-12PM Eastern time, when the majority of US players are looking to loan out their items before sleep\school, the price can drop as much as 5 times - it's difficult to get over 300k for dragon claws at ANY loan length in those times #2. Amount per hour varies vastly depending on loan duration. A 1 hour loan might commend 100-150k\h; a 3 hour loan might get 75k\h, and a 12 hour loan would get at most 40k\h. #3. Market conditions play a huge factor in loan prices. Whenever there is a big rise or fall in the market price, or a crash\skyrocket in the market value, everyone is trying to buy or sell their pair for the best deal possible, not loan them out for a few hundred K. In the meantime, panic builds in the loaning area and prices are driven far above the standard. I've gotten 600k for 2 hours in situations like this. #4. Fluctuation within the loaning circle. Let's say there's 3 people borrowing claws. Currently there is no one loaning, and each of them are willing to pay 300k for 5 hours. 15 minutes later, no one has shown up, and they each begin trying to outbid each other. The price could easily be driven over 600k before two of them drop out and someone finally shows up. The reverse happens with multiple loaners and no one wanting to borrow. That's just scratching the surface of those issues. I'm greatly interested in how you plan to solve them, and believe me, there's FAR more issues to be addressed. They can wait until I hear your current solutions. Also, in response to your question... Yeah, if I wanted to RWT, I could offer my whip 1 hour for 50m. Would anyone take it? Nope. Unless I payed a company 20$ in real world money to 'borrow' it, and thus transfer 50m GP to me. Exaggerated, but hopefully you get the point. I'll be eagerly awaiting your response.

Ignore the naysayers, they wouldn't be able to ascertain either of our intelligence levels by these few posts, and disagreeing with someone has nothing whatsoever to do with their intelligence. You've done a good job keeping it up so far, so you certainly haven't been acting like an idiot, and with an IQ in the top .01% of the population, I know I'm not. My love of debating laughs in the face of 12 year olds flaming me with barely readable insults :lol:

You would do a lot better if you stopped whining about context and started discussing the issues. I said that the point of FTP was to get people to buy members, and he said the point of FTP was to get people to buy members, albeit in a slightly less readable and slightly more insulting manner. Your welcome to point out the difference. Already covered in the first post, any update that doesn't directly do one of those three things is a waste of my money. Nope, I'm saying it will DETRACT members. Re read the post, you magically flipped the point of it around. Not really. It must be inconvenient to be disproved by facts. Ok, then answer this: How do they contribute money except from getting members and advertising (which is far overbalanced by server costs) And how is it going to increase membership? Every one of the points you mentioned would be to AVOID new members, not get new ones.

Hey now... Just because I've posted a few thousand pages of non spammy posts doesn't mean the mods won't get mad if I take a day off :lol:

It doesn't matter what they are viewed as, they simple fact is that they are. Sorry, but Jagex is a business, with the goal of making money. Money is not made by handing out fistfuls of it on street corners with no hope of a return. I don't like seeing money I paid for updates going down the drain. While they are relevant, on average PTP is going to have more experience and more relevant posts - more players means more useless rubbish to sort through, and the lower the percentage of good posts the worse. The payment is for the privilege, they aren't forcing you to and I know a lot of people who think ROSF posting is a big deal. First of all, fullscreen vs. HD requires minimal rendering power - it's almost all scaled by the client. Secondly, your randomly guessing at the number of players in each world - unless you do a sample with the exact numbers of each world over a period of time, your just making random numbers up to suit whatever purpose you have. The truth is that Jagex has put the number of ACTIVE players at over 6,000,000, and the number of members as over 1,000,000. That means that for every active member there are 5 active FTPers - and while you can make the argument about playing time, the world populations shows that it doesn't outstrip the 5 to 1 disadvantage.

No thanks, I already stated (multiple times) that Runescape gives a good 'bang for the buck' - but that doesn't mean it couldn't be better. Wait, so because I still think it's worth it I'm not allowed to disagree with any of Jagex actions? :-#

And I'm saying that most updates aren't, but they seem to be moving in the wrong direction with updates like this one. Do you really think that drawing players from fansites like tip.it to the cesspool of RSOF is going to encourage them to buy members? And it knocks away a decent advantage of PTP, posting privileges - and it's just that much more maintenance and server costs for Jagex. Interesting way of bowing out, but it was quite obvious I responded with valid arguments. Sorry, but giving away stuff to people with no return whatsoever doesn't make for the world's greatest business plan. If I want to do that I'll donate money to a charity. That has what to do with my argument? Sorry, but argumentum ad homine never holds up well. :roll:

Gratz, it's the kills and dedication that count, not your drop luck. 10/10.

I live in the USA, not that it matters on the internet. Just proving my point. All of those things fall under the category of 'making people get members'.