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I included charms in my calculations. A month certainly isn't going to be enough to offset the thousands of hours of zarfot\ydraisel\qeltar\my testing, your going to need far more then that before challenging the numbers :P

*ahem* *Points to signature*. Should round it out at an even 20 later this evening, 1 more demon trip and I've got the charms for 96 summoning.

Exactly what I said. Instead of going to R&D for an update, it's going to pay for server costs for some FTPer who hasn't paid a dime.

Oh, the irony. Since I responded to all the visible text, all you have to do is point out where the invisible text I didn't respond to was. Easy enough :P I looked really hard, but I still couldn't see any invisible text. Could you show me where you did it also? Thanks, you too.

Because it isn't. See pages 100-1,950 for discussion of the rates. If you have a problem with what me, ydraisel, Queltar, and Zarfot worked out, feel free to show where. What are you trying to prove? If you want to train the most efficient way you'll train with Slayer as getting 99 Slayer with 99 Attack, Strength and Defence is faster than getting 99 Attack, Strength and Defence, and then get 99 Slayer afterwards. If you want to find the best possible melee xp/hr it's obviously not going to be Slayer as, nomatter what the skill, the fastest way to train it loses money. But who needs 99 slayer? Amen, brother Well, now we're moving up. I think that argument was covered in the 3rd or 4th page. Pretty soon he'll be arguing about things settled in page 8 \ 10-19.5 :P I was referring to text volume, not forum pages. I think the forum pages were around 7-49 :)

Not at all, it was simply an add on to the original post. I believe that a person has a right to raise children if he or she wants to, and that right should not be deprived of them. Yep. http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/conten ... order=page Here's a source. Where's yours? Those smarter people ARE us. Just because your in the top 70% of the population doesn't mean you suddenly don't want to take out the garbage. Sure, find out what part adoption violates. Then compare that with letting them die. Your welcome to marry who you want. If your both average intelligence, you'll have children. If your far below average, you'll adopt. That simple. It wasn't an argument against you, it was an argument against your unreadable sentance. Since you seem to have dropped it, I'll respond to this argument instead. Allowing couples to save childrens lives instead of letting them die sounds like a fair idea to me. I'm not quite sure what radding wikis are, but I'm not forcing nature to move in the direction I want - it's in the direction of more intelligent. Are we smarter then single celled protozoa? If so, then intelligence is the direction we've been moving throughout the course of nature :roll: Nowdays? Nope. Thankfully, my idea doesn't affect that in any way. Not any more, or we would be below apes on the pecking order. Yes, christian. Thankfully, I'm covering all three areas at once - by saving dying children via adoption, I'm far outstripping the 'violations' of having parents children be non-hereditary. Yeah, I did. Could you quote a source on that? I don't remember adoption being a part of the holocaust. I stated the facts. It's his fault if he takes offense to them.

I responded to every line of your post. Unless you had some size 1 text that I missed, every part of it was refuted. Too late, I'm already fully grown. Sooner or later you'll have to learn that just because someone proves you wrong doesn't give you a free pass to laughably absurd flaming :roll:

Yep Nope That was an add on to another post, therefore it was not spam. Every word of it was true and stated in a non-insulting manner, therefore it was not flaming.

Not a chance. With any luck I'll be able to stretch this into a week \ Every single company comes out and says whatever will make them look best. This isn't rocket science. No, because FTP is designed to hook people into members. Making an initial fee required would reduce good reviews and new player influx. Because my money is being spent to support freeloaders instead of giving me updates, and I don't like that. I stated my point maturely and without flaming, and have continued to do so throughout the course of of this thread. I have conclusively proven every word of my original post, and my statement that I don't like my money being given to free players stands. Because my money is paying for it. They most certainly can use it how they wish, as I mentioned round about my third post. And by the same token, I can comment on how they use it. Ah yes, what was the title of this forum again? I believe it was something about runescape discussion? I already said that they are still delivering my money's worth, but that's no reason to begin throwing fistfuls of it to freeloaders. Again, what's the name of this forum? I believe it had something to do with 'discussion', not 'agree with the OP or shut up'. I enjoy debating, and your welcome to either argue with me or ignore, but you sure as heck aren't going to order me off this thread. Just don't click on this thread! Even if you don't agree with us, you don't have to read it :ohnoes:

Because it isn't. See pages 100-1,950 for discussion of the rates. If you have a problem with what me, ydraisel, Queltar, and Zarfot worked out, feel free to show where.

Or else your just an immature jerk who refuses to accept that some people enjoy different things then him. I didn't even use sarcasm, for that matter. Learn to see beyond the end of your nose. See above. Yes, because I didn't listen to you and suddenly being not-enjoying sarcasm, your 'point' was proven. Grow up. You: It's 20% Me: (math stuff done): Actually, it's .54%... You: Yeah well... I just made it up! It's intuition! Me; Yeah, well... it's still wrong You: I can't argue with that but I gotta think of something so... Your reading skills suck! Me: Uhh.. Could you respond to my post? You: Your reading skills suck! Me: ... I just gave you the numbers to prove it wrong, do I need to go over them again? You: Your reading skills suck! Me: ... You: Your reading skills suck!

What a joke. Complete bunk perpetrated by uninformed idiots who see something happen once and immediately think it's some sort of secret, complex pattern. That's even worse then the 'faster IP' castle wars people.

They can still read forums without PTP. And do you really think RSOF Is more mature then tif or any of the other free fansites? Covered that in the first post, the sole point of FTP is to get people to become members.

I don't know many people too stupid to know how to adopt, but those people are welcome to live their lives without children if they so desire.

Separate banking times, don't include rare drops as the rate will be factored in later, and ensure your timing and XP are exact down to the last decimal place. Record outfit, inventory, prayers\pots used, how often each are used, the location used in monsters with multiple areas, and any results affected by competition be thrown out. Oh, and it's going to required hundreds or thousands of hours of testing to upset the results of me, ydraisel, qeltar, and (to some extent) Zarfot. Good luck.

I find a sarcastic, disagreeing debate to be highly enjoyable. Who are you to tell me what I should find 'fun' and 'not fun'? So are you admitting you were wrong, or still trying to say 2+2=7 because your ''intuition' says so? This is math, what you feel like doesn't count. I can run through the numbers again if you didn't bother reading them the first time. You have no idea what my emotions are from my post - I was quite happy, because I enjoy debating, but sarcastic because I find the complex thought processes required enjoyable. And my 'mission' would be supporting this thread. Welcome to TIF forums, where that happens to be the point of posting. As for astrology, I really couldn't care less about signs of the zodiac. I've stated my opinion, and I'm not planning on arguing about a non-provable point so vague and undefined as to be meaningless.

Gee, thanks for proving my point. Actually, that's exactly what they said. Nothing wrong with adoption. I do, and what about the tens of thousands of children who die every day that could be adopted? There is sold proof that stuipd parents produce offspring that is, on average, less intelligent then the offspring of smart parents. Yep, that's why no rights violations are taking place. Uhh, where did this come from? No it wouldn't, if I was unintelligent I'd adopt instead. It's that simple. I don't even know what your trying to say. If English isn't your first language, get a friend who knows how to speak it and have them post for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest Except we're not killing the unfit or affecting their lives, just substituting their children's genes for someone elses. Not a chance, natural selection has turned us into highly intelligent but less physical capable descendants of our dumber, more physically fit ancestors. Did I say that anywhere? Of course. Treating all humans with kindness and compassion, and ensuring the rights of none are violated (as wel as saving millions of unadapted children from death) would be the greatest humanitarian act the world has ever known. Ready and waiting. Sorry, but just because someone's opinion is different then yours doesn't mean they are immature. Not that adults can't act immature too.

You weren't slaying, you were killing nechs and demons. Come back when you have a dozen hours from each task, not the best possible tasks. Then why should they post? So far every single person who's posed without reading has brought up an ancient point that was covered months ago. If it's not worth their time to read my posts, it's not worth my time to respond to theirs.

Not the point I was making, the point is that d arrow specs constantly = more XP\DPM then MSB.

Control your impulses...

Doesn't matter how you refer to it, the bottom line is DPM (damage per minute).

@ bini: All that was already accounted for. I don't need to know all about Jagex to know that they are intent upon making a profit. The ONLY way they can do that is by getting people to sign up for PTP, and as such, that is their only goal. Letting hundreds of thousands of FTP use the forums isn't suddenly going to give Jagex brilliant ideas for PTP, PTPers know more about PTP then FTPers do. It's that simple. Obviously. That's why they feed lies about 'FTP not being a demo'. It gives them that squeaky clean corporate angel look that every business wants.

Your welcome to ignore it. There's a nifty feature on your control panel that lets you add people to ignore and hide their posts. Some of us enjoy debating.

Because better XP = Higher Hits :

Like I said, giving you a warm fuzzy feeling isn't going to make people sign up for PTP. "Look, what a nice company they are! I don't like the game but since they are so kind, I'll give the my money!". It was capitalized the day it became a business, just like every other business on the planet :roll: