compfreak847

I'm not going to post half a dozen screenshots of my information, and you couldn't do anything with it anyway. I can, however, point out to some cool data gathered by a friend of mine: http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarticle.ws?article_id=1970 Hope that clears it up for you. He's a pretty reliable source, so I think you can trust the numbers more then the OP.

Because we are arguing what I meant. I know what I meant - your argument was that the dictionary proved me wrong, and even one exception proved me correct (as we were arguing over what I meant). In your wikipedia article, we didn't have the benefit of knowing the word beforehand so the correct definition had to be found before using it. Being something and acting something are the same unless you make the assumption that they are pretending. In the correct context, which you are apparently opposed of, acting denotes that an action is taking place and has nothing to do with theaters or making action movies. We're not talking about what actors and actresses do - we're talking about what people do in general - any verb. Is english your second language or something? Using act is a common word where I live, referring to a superficial show (just as the dictionary said). That's how I was using it, and given that the dictionary backed me up, it certainly isn't my fault you couldn't or wouldn't understand it. Congratulations, you show a remarkable talent for completely ignoring the past 7 pages of posts. Fortunately, as I explained earlier, that line was part of a much larger argument; just because you tried to pluck three words out of context and base an entire argument off of them doesn't mean they can't mean exactly what I said. They don't. And you have an obvious tendency to completely ignore the facts and anything resembling a source. You tried so hard to base an entire argument off of a single word, whos definition you didn't even know. I linked to many sources all quoted proving you wrong, you tried to disprove it without a single source or fact on your side. As stated earlier, Dictionary > Zero. You really need to learn to read replies. I took great pains to re word everything as simply as possible, providing dozens of examples and links where you could read more, and each of your responses indicated you had no clue what I was saying. It's obvious I didn't do this for a reputation - if I was looking for a reputation, I would have given up on my slayer sucks thread long before I hit 10 pages. I do it for the fun of it, and I've gotten a reputation because I'm good at it, not the other way around. Debate: To argue with one another. Looks like this is a debate! I'm not interested in completely non-scientific or mathematical debates based on complete guesses; I go for the more concrete ones, ones where someone is actually right or wrong. This is a RS forum, and I came here to debate. You can whine about that all you want, but I aint gonna go away. Nope, I used 'couldn't' in reference to be and 'could' in reference to act. I took great pains to keep them straight. You don't seem to get that those two terms were bait I used to back you into a corner. Then I pulled out the dictionary, and lo and behold the words you based your debate on where not what you though. Again, how do you know what I'm talking about? Given your horrendous track record of trying to put words into my mouth, I don't think your the best judge of what I mean. It's not completely subjective, it's an easily established fact. Complex, mature thought patterns indicate maturity. A 3 year old might pick bread over candy because her mother said she'd spank her if she ate candy, but that makes her far less mature then an adult who knows it will cause long term damage to his system. Source please? Oh wait, you made them up. Now let's see what an ACTUAL source says: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/psychological 1. of or pertaining to psychology. 2. pertaining to the mind or to mental phenomena as the subject matter of psychology. 3. of, pertaining to, dealing with, or affecting the mind, esp. as a function of awareness, feeling, or motivation: psychological play; psychological effect. Oops. Perhaps it would be best to consult a dictionary next time before making up your own definitions. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/physical 1. of or pertaining to the body: physical exercise. 2. of or pertaining to that which is material: the physical universe; the physical sciences. Now yours is correct for this one, but your underlying reasoning isn't. If your talking about your brain being physically mature, it certainly isn't - if your talking about your body being physically mature, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the argument. It's really a good idea to, you know, look things up before starting an argument. Otherwise you just look stuipd when the other guy comes out with a dictionary and proves you laughably wrong. Yeah, right. And I suppose your thought patterns were identical, despite having an underdeveloped brain that wasn't even physically capable of that type of thinking. Made up personal opinions don't qualify as argument material. Sorry, but basing your argument off the single word 'determined' isn't really a great idea, especally when you don't have a clue what it means. 1) Only in the sense of appearing mature - the underlying thought process is not mature, and the key distinction in maturity is how that decision comes about. 2) Sorry, but the dictionary agrees with me: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/determined: "1. resolute; staunch: the determined defenders of the Alamo. 2. decided; settled; resolved. 1. To settle or decide (a dispute, question, etc.) by an authoritative or conclusive decision." Nope, maturity isn't decided, settled, or resolved in a conclusive decision by age - but age certainly has a huge effect on it. Sorry, but nice try at building an argument on a single misinterpreted sentence you found on wikipedia =D> Aww, I was really enjoying it. At least you bowed out gracefully, it's better then the flame and leave I was plan on. Advice for next time: #1 Don't base an entire 7 page argument off one word, especially when #2 You don't know what that word means Adios anti-intellectual

Nothing, except that one exception proves my point. They don't contradict at all. In the context of 'acting' or 'seemingly mature responses', both adults and children can respond maturely. In the context of actual maturity, only adults have the fully developed brain to handle the complex thought patterns required for full maturity. Thanks for telling me. Unfortunately, that's not the full definition of mature. In a single response, there are two ways of thinking it through. One is when a 'mature' decision is reached simply due to short term reasoning and incomplete thought processes (Smoke the cigarette -> parents will kill me when I get home), and the other is a 'mature' decision reached due to long term consequence recognition and mature thought patterns (Smoke the cigarette -> develop a higher risk of lung cancer in my old age). Both have the same apparent outcome, but one indicates mental maturity and the other does not.

That has nothing to do with this; this is the difference between being (actually, well, being) and acting (appearing, but without the correct underlying cause that is itself maturity) mature. Proof: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/act/ False show; pretense; feint: The politician's pious remarks were all an act. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/be/ To take place; happen; occur: Of course you don't. That's the whole point of arguing. Because I didn't edit the posts, and because I successfully proved myself correct, it's blindingly obvious that it was indeed what I meant in the posts and you simply misread them When you posted the 'kids can be as mature as adults' statement, you were still stuck in the 'be and act are the same thing' delusion; with both of us having previously established that children indeed cannot be as mature as adults but can act as such, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't simply falling back to your previous, already misproven argument. If indeed you had, then forget my response and re read my counterargument above; if you hadn't, then my response makes perfect sense in the context of acting instead of being. Nope, both kids and children are used as a catchall for anyone 0-25

So? Your still participating in discussions and being involved in TIF ;)

Not at all. It worked perfectly. It showed how many times you posted, and indirectly, how involved you are in TIF, and how many discussions you've taken place in.

Where's the contradiction? All I see is one statement saying children cannot be as mature, and another saying they can act as mature. Shall I quote the post where this was settled before? I'm waiting with bated breath. If 'no you can't' was my entire argument, it would be. Fortunately, as explained before, it's far from being my only point. Yep. The distinction is in how the decision comes about; only an adult can think through the problem with complete thought patterns as a result of fully developed frontal lobes. Yes, sometimes it ends up with the wrong decision, just as a child may choose the correct one because of immature processes instead of mature ones, but on average the outcomes are more mature. Not in the context of maturity; the portions of their brain controlling maturity are not fully developed, and as such cannot processes the information to make an objective decision in the same manner an adult can.

True, I'm behind 3 stickies for overall viewcount, but I'm #1 for regular threads. As for character count, my thread trumps all 8-) Yay. Way to feed my egotistical, arrogant, jerky self :shock:

Who were you arguing against? I've been saying exactly that since page 7. The only things I were arguing about was that children cannot be as mature as adults, and that children write spammy, wilderness removal threads. I won on both accounts 8-)

Please don't flood my PM box with 8 seperate messages in the span of an hour, one will suffice. In response to them: No, I did not report you on runescape. Calm down, this is a minor 'glitch' that hardly even qualifies. Your not going to get banned :)

You can still say it sucks, but you have to back it up. And judging from the replies, I've done a semi-decent job at that thus far ;)

Not likely, what you described didn't even sound like a glitch. It was heading down the path of bug abusing and eventual banning, though.. Just ask Muggi or Musky :lol:

That or else trying to troll me into getting angry. I haven't had a good debate on this thread in over a week :| Oh, and I lied. It's only 19 posts now. According to my profile, I have 367 posts on this thread - almost 1/3rd the total posts 8-)

Like I said in the first few pages, I'm discussing normal, healthy adults. Injured or disabled people don't qualify. It has everything to do with age. Yeah, the outcome may be the same, but the thought processes behind it are not - it's the key distinction that sepreates good and bad choices in children vs. adults. And no, asking me nicely to believe you isn't going to make up for lack of evidence. Yep, there are other factors influencing brain maturity other then age - but that has nothing to do with actions. I'm sorry, but your brain controls your actions, period. There isn't some sort of 'maturity gland' near your big toe that takes over for your brain when any actions related to maturity are required =D> Nope, children can respond appropriately and in some cases, even more appropriately then adults. The distinction is in how the decision comes about; only an adult can think through the problem with complete thought patterns as a result of fully developed frontal lobes. Yes, sometimes it ends up with the wrong decision, just as a child may choose the correct one because of immature processes instead of mature ones, but on average the outcomes are more mature.

Sorry, but 'good person' isn't really a good excuse to use for breaking the rules :P I quote to avoid confusion and make it clear what post I'm responding to; it's a standard practice on PHPBB forums, and really helps in the more complex threads. Good to know you've realized your mistake and plan to report it, I wish you good luck in the future :thumbsup:

Thanks :P I'm already the longest thread in the entire history of rants, and in 22 more posts I'll be the longest thread including stickies :twisted:

But they still violate the rules of RS, and good person or not, you'll get banned for it. Since discussion of rule breaking isn't allowed on TIF either, you'll get banned from here too, so I'd suggest keeping it to yourself :P

Wait. Just because your brain is more mature then a child, it doesn't make you more mentally mature then them? I see something wrong with that statement, namely that it directly contradicts itself #-o Just because they aren't fully mature doesn't mean they can't perform a mature action, something I've agreed with all along. It does, however, mean that they won't and can't think through it in the same way as an adult - a key difference when it comes to difficult decisions with long term consequences. Nope, I'm saying that brain development is the sole factor affecting actions. Unless you have a previously-unknown organ to point out, I'm afraid the field of science is on my side. Because psychological maturity, meaning mental maturity (Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=psychological) is not reached until the full maturation of the frontal lobes, a key component in determining maturity, generally around the age of 25 (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontal_lobe). Since you seem to have a difficult time accepting basic meanings of the English language, I did you a favor and sourced my two points.

That's nice, but your thread was made to 'help people find and share glitches', clearly against the rules :P

I missed a whip because of a random. He missed 26k because of a random. I'm not whining. If I made a thread every time I lost 26k for one reason or another, I'd be posting half a dozen a day. If everyone TIFer did that, real posts would never see the light of day. Hence why whining about losing 26k for an unfixable reason is a bad idea :roll:

Yep. In the context of fully versus simply mature, there's two separate circumstances, and both cannot mean the same thing - your either fully mature, or your not. Yeah, there's varying levels within the not, but none of them classify as 'fully' mature. And what are your actions controlled by? Oh wait, I sense a pattern. Yep, I'm in complete agreement with that statement.

Is that what I said? Yeah, I didn't think so. Nice try though. Now, to rephrase what I said in attempt to communicate it to you, I said a person can either be fully mature or not fully mature; obviously there are an infinite number of levels within not fully mature, but all of them are less then fully. Your handily ignoring psychological. Psychological is related to the brain. Your brain can't be mature without it being mature :roll: I'm not sure what other meaning can be drawn. As the definition proved, not being determined by age means that age is not the conclusive, end all-be all factor; there are other factors dependent on the individual. But it certainly doesn't mean that age has nothing whatsoever to do with mental maturity, as evidenced by the plethora of other sources (including that page) indexed by me. Take note, this is what happens when an entire argument is based on a single shaky and incorrectly interpreted word.

More effective in getting kills on pvp worlds =/= better in PVP

Agreed with, I was simply responding to Quel's obviously uninformed post of the same nature that came to the conclusion that it was a downside of mage.

I agree completely. Nope, because that's not the context we are using it in. Definitions apply to usage, not every one to each word - it can't be a noun, verb, and adjective at the same time. I think it agrees completely with itself, but you interpret it incorrectly - the fact that your belief in what that sentence means contradicts not only half a dozen other wikipedia articles AND hundreds of other sources is just another part of the argument against you. Even the dictionary agrees with me: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/determined: "1. resolute; staunch: the determined defenders of the Alamo. 2. decided; settled; resolved. 1. To settle or decide (a dispute, question, etc.) by an authoritative or conclusive decision." Nope, maturity isn't decided, settled, or resolved in a conclusive decision by age - but age certainly has a huge effect on it. Sorry, but nice try at building an argument on a single misinterpreted sentence you found on wikipedia =D>