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It sounds like a straw man though. We're not talking about crazy stuff like teapots and pink elephants. You're trying to equate them to make it seem like God is just "another crazy theory". This is where we disagree. I invite you to look into quantum mechanics and do some research on the Double-Slit Experiment. But I'm curious about what makes you think that. You're leaning on one side. Is the fact that we don't have evidence the only evidence that you have to argue against his existence? There has to be a reason that you're leaning on that side. I'm not saying that your reason doesn't exist, I just want to know what it is. It's not really fear, but more of indifference. Oh and by the way, I respect your opinions as much as my own. My arguments aren't to prove God - but to prove the possibility. I think this comes down to opinion. God sounds much more likely than pink elephants, but who knows? As long as there is something that sounds completely bizarre that you can think up of, and you try to equate it to God, then you have an argument there that barely has room to be disagreed with. I'm sure some would think that the idea of giant reptilian monsters roaming the earth was just a myth - but here we have their bones in museums which serves as evidence. I'll ask this question again. What would make you believe there was a God? Because God sounds way harder to prove than a teapot floating around. That's good to hear, but for now I guess I'll stay weak atheist. I'm still young (17) so I don't want to have a strong set of beliefs when I still have so much to experience and discover.

Then looks like you are the one making the misunderstanding. Read this quote chain very carefully, then maybe you'll get it. Fights happen everyday. You're talking like they're a myth or something. Do you live in Mr. Roger's neighborhood by chance? Mr. Roger's neighborhood doesn't have a highschool with a football team. Also, now you're putting words into my mouth. Knock that off. I'm gonna go to sleep now, so if your internet tough guy self wants to [bleep] and moan at me some more tomorrow about me making fun of you, feel free to pm me or something. 1. You use sarcasm to point out that we're all bluffing on this thread. 2. I tell you that fights aren't as rare as you think. 3. You say that I'm putting words in your mouth and call me an internet tough guy. Seriously, what in the hell is your problem you troll? Who's the real "internet tough guy"? Your posts make no sense whatsoever - they're all over the place and the only purpose they serve is to insult.

You're admitting that you're a troll. What does that tell me about you? You don't see the hypocrisy of claiming that we're all liars, yet telling us you beat up a whole football team? Also, who ever made any threats? Will you point them out for me? Oh... you can't. You're pulling flames out of thin air just for the sake of having ammo. Nice, really nice. Keyword: Stupid. That doesn't count as a joke - it counts as trolling, which you admitted to. Thanks, you painted a vivid picture of which type of person you are. They're still human beings like you and me, and if you read the whole thread you'd see that there are cases where people even died from one punch. Honestly... What kind of joke is that? Saying that it is a joke just sounds like an excuse for making a really dumb statement. I await your irrelevant flames.

I love how everyone keeps posting how it's fake. Didn't we find that out like the whole thread ago?

I used a bunch of charms that I got from Ranging and got 78 Summoning today. Now I can use Giant Ents. :P

Why does anything we discuss on the forums matter?

Exactly. If you can spend hours and hours clicking, then that shows how much willpower and determination you have. Also, discovering the most efficient ways of training are part of the challenge too.

There are elemental mages south of Fally if you want Fire, Water, Air, or Earth tiaras.

I'm sure a lot of people avoid fights if they get the chance. I only ever fight when someone starts hitting me first.

Lol, why? I don't do it to some people because I know they won't say anything back. And I think some people just don't deserve to be blessed. 8-)

She does look like a distorted man if you ask me. Wow, why am I even judging pixels? I'm ashamed. #-o

There are so many contributing factors that it's impossible to rate the difficulty. It all depends on how you play. If you try to camp at GWD for hours and try to get a 2200 total or something like that, then you're trying to do something hard. If you're just trying to complete all the F2P quests, then it's easy.

And those tiny bonuses matter more?

He's talented, but that's nowhere near the style I like. I felt nothing. :|

Wait, you can get reported for saying "Hyt"?

Like I said, God is a bit different than a pointless teapot or magic undies. God is supposedly the conceiver of all - what is the teapot's role in the universe? To prove unlikely things don't exist? Do you believe that a tree makes a sound if it falls and nobody hears? Well, personally I never "felt" God, but I believe that it's a feasible idea. Wait a second - you're only acting upon what you can feel and touch. Isn't that more submissive than not having a set belief at all? Have you ever seen the Matrix? You can never prove what reality is. Life could be a video simulation run by a teenager by the name of "God" for all we know. No, there's no evidence of that, but what makes you so sure that it's impossible? There's no evidence for that either. That's why I like 50/50. Exactly. If there's no evidence for either side, why should I have one set belief? I'm simply indifferent - I don't worry about believing or not believing. It's all fair game. Why are you so set on not believing? Does it make a difference? After all, you said that they have no effect on us - and you are asking "Why believe?" so why can't I ask "Why not?". Like I said, your arguments are one-sided. You choose not to believe just because you can - and then claim that there is no reason to. Mind telling me what the reason for being so set on your own beliefs is? A Christian could say the opposite, and it would hold just as much weight. Hmm... so the feeling kiss gives a couple "doesn't exist"? That's your personal opinion though. Some do want a being with higher power than them. You're rubbing on the surface of what I'd view God as, if he did exist. I'd think he is a little piece of all of us. I think we're in a sort of dream - all 6 billion of us are just God looking through 6 billion eyes. Our 'inner strength'. Here's a URL if you're interested. http://users.aristotle.net/~diogenes/meaning2.htm Maybe when we speak of God, we just simply have different definitions. You're going by the Wiki definition, but when I think of God - I think more along the lines of "Mother Nature".

Then what would you call the people who actually are 50/50? Honestly, what would you even consider evidence in the first place? If a giant face came from the sky and said "I am God."? Is it them that are being too loose, or you that is being too strict? What may be loose in your eyes is sufficient in others'. I don't know about you but if I went through life-threatening cancer, had a 0.00001% chance of survival, prayed for God to help me, and I beat all odds, then that sounds like a reasonable rationale for believing him. Have you ever heard of the saying along the lines of "Talking about metaphysics is like trying to send a kiss through a messenger"? In other words, you can't just logically and verbally prove God's existence/nonexistence. You have to feel it for yourself in order for it to work. That's just the way it goes, which is why I never understood why people try to apply linear problem solving (almost mathematical) techniques when talking about this subject. You're absolutely right but the point is, no one is forcing you to believe them or not. If they want to believe they are real, they are just as justified as you not wanting to believe they are real. Neither of you have evidence - so how can anything that either of you say hold any weight at all? The only thing we can do is judge based on what we know so far - and my entire point is that our knowledge about what we know may become more immense in the future, which can possibly allow more weight to be held to our reasonings. Right now it's like we're just fish in a pond wondering what the clouds are like.

Oh man! Someone get the dunce caps. Shame on us. :shame:

85/86 Ranged :

My little sister was a huge fan. This will break her heart. :( If it is true, it will be all over the news tomorrow since she was so damn young and popular.

So your definition of an agnostic is someone who is easily convinced and your definition for atheist is someone who is hard to convince? You can say that if you'd like, but others can say otherwise. That does not follow. Who says that your teapot has to reach out it's hand in order to effect humanity? The idea of God gave people strength, whether he's real or not. The point is that it doesn't matter. Why it matters to you is beyond me. Reread Lenticular's post for me will ya? It feels like you are luring me into a God Vs No God argument. Don't do that to agnostics. You have no evidence that it can't be. No evidence. If you want to deny evidence of the existence of God, then I'm going to use the old two-way-street on you. 50/50 since it's the most "fair" if you ask me. Why would it be any other number, unless there are factors changing your opinion (keyword: opinion - meaning everyone's numbers will probably differ). Think Matrix man. You put so much emphasis on what you can feel and touch that you are unable to look outside the box. You're just bringing up exactly what I my first post was aiming at. One more thing. A god does not = a pointless teapot.

1. Yes 2. You just said that you don't think they will be mysteries forever. To me, that implies that we can discover incredible things in the future. I quote you: 3. Yes 4. You keep speaking of this "no reason" and "no need". You don't think that boils down to opinions? 5. Again with your personal opinions. I think the idea that a God exists would have a much greater effect on humanity than a teapot would. Judging by your opinions you showed me, I'd say it would take a lot to convince you. Your posts sound like they are of an atheist nature - not agnostic. I'm gonna ask a question. Why is the chance such a low percentage? Doesn't 50/50 sound more reasonable for an agnostic? Thank you. :D

What are the odds. Today in school I was watching a video about "victimization" and people trying to sue for the funniest reasons. The McDonalds' hot coffee incident was hilarious. PS: More crazy odds! My friend on RS just told me she drank an energy drink. :lol:

Where did you hear that the release would be in the beginning of September?

Why do people always forget a "very important rule"? :evil: