The_Gabe

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Damn Baalboy5 is back. I didn't know you were bi/gay.

So one of the most sacred and holy Muslim sites should be cut off from Muslims? What The Gabe said and from 1948-1967, when it was under Jordan's control, Jew or Christian were not allowed to visit the old city. Since the liberation of the old city every religion is allowed to visit. Jerusalem is the most sacred place in Judaism so why was it cut off then? Nomrombom, do you even realize what had happened when Muslims did have control of the city? They destroyed synagogues, violated cemeteries and used stones from them for building and completely brought the city into chaos. For a matter of fact, when Israel was in trouble, the UN showed no sign of caring. It's really kind of sad how they are trying to do something now when Israel is strong and surviving, as opposed to the other side.

We've created the largest quote chain I have ever seen. Win :thumbup:. Good Job Men :thumbsup:

So one of the most sacred and holy Muslim sites should be cut off from Muslims? Except that Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Quran once.

Ah, Gabe, creator of the largest quote pyramid I've ever seen. It's natural you want to show off your work. :razz: Damn it I've been caught! :ohnoes: Quick! Get in the car! Oh dear.

We already have a shaving topic. No need for another.

Number 2 and possibly 5 are the only ones I would agree on. The others (specially the first) made me laugh. Those solutions are not realistic at all.

Crimes are never going to end. You know that as well as I. The world is too populated, and there's nothing you can really do too much about it. The strong survive and the weak disappears. You are going to quote me on the last part, but think about it before you do.

>problem started with the independence war. So you dont think they are justified in seeking independance from an oppressive Jewish state that sits atop their homes? Seeing as they were offered solutions to the problems many times before, no.

I'm going to do that by giving you an example relating to this. Queen Elizabeth of England had compromised, during her reign, that the Protestants and Catholics could practice their religions in peace without persecution. However, there was Puritans who did not agree to this. They were expelled and sent to America, where they replaced the Natives living on the west coast, driving them inland. It's the same story here. The Muslim countries were expelling Jews, so they all went to one place, and the people there chose to move more inland. As for the crimes, I'm not going to deny them. Yes, there are crimes. All countries have crimes that they've done, but your clouding your judgment based on a few things one country did oppose to seeing it from both side's point of view.

MFW when the stats of misplaced Jews have everything to do with the discussion, seeing as that is how the Israel was born and why the people moved there :wall: MFW when you all you say is the most biased and one sided arguments i have ever heard :wall: MFW when you keep denying that those facts are irrelevant :wall: MFW I remember that you think Israelis are death machines who all hate for no reason. :wall:

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Why don't you get back on topic instead of talking about something irrelevant and will never happen if you want create a topic call turkey otherwise get back on subject Jesus, talking to you is like talking to a goddamn wall. I explained to you multiple times why it is relevant, and you were actively debating it with me until I proved to you that there are Arab countries with more powerful armies than Israel. @ Gabe: Turkey's hypocrisy has nothing to do with this. I was discussing with Mr. Israel that the only reason Israel hasn't been reconquered is that it has ties to the US. I explained to him that there are armies capable of defeating Israel that also have reason to do so. He then stated that all Arab armies were weak, which lead to me comparing Turkey's and Israel's armies. Now, he says that this is unrelated, even though he was arguing with me about it. Turkey will not go to war with Israel. Not only is the chance of success minimum, it will be condemned in international politics severing many ties (as you said before) with other countries. So this discussion is meaningless.

First, if Egypt started the Six Day War then why would Israel keep Palestine. Makes no sense, Palestine isn't part of Egypt. Anyways, my links were about settlement demolishing which you said was only used against terrorists. Those links I posted show it is used against civilians long after the war. Now you argue that it's actually okay to use against civilians, but for another reason. Get your case straight. Then you give me some irrelevant links, nothing to do with house destruction. Two of them I would like to point out are from Jewish/Israeli organizations (biased to the discussion we are having) and the UN one was from the HRC who I cited multiple times. The funny thing is the UN one isn't even about Israel and Palestine but about the use of the death sentence in Palestinian internal affairs. Not really relevant to the discussion. Then you give me some statistics. Again, how is this relevant? It doesn't dispute the fact that Israeli settlements break international law. You're arguing that because Israelis were abused (conceding this for the point of debate, though it could be argued against) in other parts of the Middle East then they have the right to abuse the Palestinians? Doesn't that just perpetuate the cycle of violence? Is that the Israeli way? They got abused so they have the right to abuse random people? Like that's the equivalent of saying that since a robber stole my TV then I'm allowed to take any TV in the neighborhood and that's okay. If the owner resists I can shoot them too. What i said was that Israel won a war its enemy's started it won it and got the spoils of war the The Gaza Strip from Egypt. and the West bank from Jordan. All your links are from Palestinian biased to the discussion we are having so it only fair i do the same. The Statics are relevant to the refugee problem which you brought up again. Again, how does winning the Six Day War give Israel the right to violate the human rights of the Palestinians? Surely you wouldn't be arguing that in winning Poland Nazi Germany had the right to do what they wanted with the Jews there. It's the same principle. If Israel has the right to abuse Palestinians then Germany had the right to abuse the Jews. Of those links I posted most were from the UN, Amnesty International and The Human Rights Watch. All of those are reputable international organizations. There is no bias, only fact in those reports and resolutions. I mean how can you say a UN resolution has a Palestinian bias, they don't even have voting power in the UN. Quote me where I brought up the "refugee problem" in reference to Jewish refugees? Also, let's not forget that Israel also recently committed an act of war against Turkey. Boarding a Turkish ship in international waters and killing 8 Turks. Turkish public opinion is very much against Israel. But you're right, it's off-topic. Seeing as the Flotilla issue is going offtopic, I'm going to simply quote something about it before we move on.

Let's compare the Turkish and Israeli militaries, shall we? http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp Israel and Turkey are not at, nor will they ever be so why don't you bring up something relevant to this topic. If you want create a topic called Israel vs Turkey. :wink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Turkey_relations#Criticism_of_Israeli_policy It would not be far fetched to imply (as I have been, but apparently you can't read) that, given the severing of ties between the US and Israel, Turkey could potentially go to war with Israel. Says the guy with Israel in his name. I am not going to take Turkey seriously in this matter at all. Turkey is one of the most hypocritical countries, seeing as they are and have been oppressing Kurds for many decades. If Turkey going to war with Israel, it's not going to be a 2 party war. That's for sure.

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a) interventionalist attitude b) hatred of anything linked to islam c) friends in the middle east means it's easier to go to war with more muslims which means more oil and success for the military industrial complex and corporations That's pretty extreme. It's not about hate or oil, it's about the massive Jewish lobbying group in the US. For example after Obama made his comment about going back to the prewar borders he faced losing 1/3 (IIRC) of his campaign contributions for when he ran for reelection. That's how much money he received from them. Source?

Conflicts like that are not usually handled by the 2 parties. There's a reason the United Nation drafted a Security Council. However, this makes this conflict especially hard since Palestine (province or w/e you want to call it) is not a member of the United Nations.

To start off Palestine never existed. Israel didn't invade anybody they fought for their lives in 1947-1948 and again in 1967 when it Enemy were at its borders with blood in their eyes. Israel fought and won its enemy's taking spoils of war with them. So there was nobody there when the Jews entered the area known as Palestine/Israel? They didn't displace anyone? Nobody forced anyone to do anything.

They should have done it in the years they had before free trade came out.

No, we killed him. Don't you remember?