Yoko Kurama

I don't think I care about stuff like boots anymore. They have already devalued every other skill in the game; why not Agility too?

I have gotten all the crew (though not all the 35K captains, and even the ones I got came with traits, unfortunately), and the Admiral of the Fleet title, as well as all storylines. I only need 3 more pieces of ship upgrades and I will have everything from the new Region and then I can finally just chase trade goods.

What benefit would he gain from questioning her existence? Oh and false exclusionary disjunct. Yes, Sylpheed's reason for not doubting Mah's existence (namely that if Zaros thinks she exist, we should too) was wrong, but his conclusion is right. We have no reason to doubt that Mah, at one point existed, and probably still exists. J-Mods have definitely confirmed this -- Mah is not merely a myth (as Wahiesetal might think). Indeed, no one, not me nor Sy, in this thread doubted that Mah exists -- though there is some doubt as to whether the Muspah existed.

Except, the Mahjarrat do not consider murder, even of their own kin, to be some sort of sin, or something to atone for. In fact, they openly celebrate culling the weak of their species, and social Darwinism. They also consider violence and the rule of the strong to be the 'natural' way. So why would they be the atoning for the loss of a life, when they don't view it as a bad thing? It's far more likely, and strongly supported, that the term 'propitiation' in this context refers to them trying to appease Mah. The energy used for this propitiation is the energy of the sacrificed Mahjarrat (we know that upon death they release bursts of energy), and it is this same energy that they consume in modern-day rituals. This energy, again, comes from the sacrificed Mahjarrat, and as far as the books attest, has no link whatsoever to whatever energy they might need to procreate. There is no reference anywhere that the energy used for propitiation was the same energy that they used for procreation. Nowhere. Zaros, again, does not comment on procreation. Nowhere does he mention that the energy used to procreate is what is being used to sustain them on Gelinor. There is no reference at all to the propitiation in the Ritual of Rejevention having anything to do with the sacrifice used in the ritual that is killed. The most clear reading seems to be that the Ritual of Rejuvenation sacrifices one Mahjarrat as an act of propitiation to appease a hostile god. As for twisting words, I am not sure where I have done that (perhaps misunderstood, yes). You made a claim that turned out to be untrue (an honest mistake) about Zaros hypothesizing something. You refuse to document this, or acknowledge that you made a mistake, and keep trying to recton your original misunderstanding.

It was originally performed to placate Mah (not the Muspah), when she was either in actuality or thought to have been spawning Muspahs. The reason they did this was: a) because Mah actually spawned the Muspah, or, b) they were instructed from birth, by their elders (for whatever reason), to do this. It's a crude fit because the book of Wahesetal already explains that procreation is linked to the Ritual of Enervation, not the Ritual of Rejuvenation. Now you can hypothesize that in reality, the Ritual of Rejuvenation is actually about some sort of penance for murder, but just be aware that there is no evidence at the moment to support this. You started this train of discussion on the basis of the false claim that Zaros hypothesized that the Ritual granted the Mahjarrat the power that was typically reserved for a new life (and that this is why they couldn't procreate any more; this was your inference). Well, nowhere in the books is Zaros said to have hypothesized this. Now you are retroactively trying to retcon in your conjecture -- I don't know why. The energy used for the Ritual of Rejevenation is not linked to the energy they would have used for procreation. No where in the books are we given any reason to believe this. Also, the energy used for rejuvenation comes from the sacrificed Mahjarrat, not internally from the other members.

There is no need to infer an additional ulterior purpose, because, again, in the book of Wahiesetal, he makes it clear that the Ritual of Rejevenation has become ingrained in Mahjarrat culture and has political uses, rather than religious ones. We know that Mah exists. We don't know if the Muspah exist. It's possible that it was a bogeyman, but whatever the case may be, it seems the Ritual has evolved to have political purposes. The best fit of the word 'propitation' in this context is my explanation, namely that, to pacify a hostile god, they propitiated through the Ritual of Rejevunation and made a sacrifice (one of their own). When they came to Runescape, they somehow were able to absorb the energy of that offering themselves. Your conjecture about the propitiation being about procreation is a very crude fit that is not supported by the evidence we currently possess. It's based on a circular conjecture (you start out with the assumption that the Ritual had to have been about or linked with procreation, based on the assumption that currently the Mahjarrat are having troubles with procreation). Even if I grant that currently they are having troubles with procreation; I still don't see any reason to link that with the Ritual of Rejuvenation. The book of Wahiesetal is clear about this.

My definition is not my own, instead it was ripped off from a google search (from the first few dictionaries), so it isn't wrong. Words often have multiple, slightly varying meanings. If you search the term, you will find multiple dictionaries with meanings almost identical to the one I supplied above. As for why they continued to perform the ritual after having left their homeworld, again, this is mentioned in the book of Wahiesetal: out of habit, and as a measure of political control, rather than as a religious practice. In fact, in Wahisetal's book, he mentions that even before they left Freneskae, by the time of his birth, it had been several thousand years since a Muspah had been seen (or thought to have been seen), but they performed the ritual nonetheless and it became an intrinsic part of Mahjarrat culture. I don't think you have properly read Wahisetal's book, or perhaps you have forgotten certain details. You should reread it. That's where the misunderstandings seem to come from. Your conjecture about the Ritual of Rejevunation granting the Mahjarrat the energy that was typically reserved for procreation or a new baby (and your claim that Zaros hypothesized this) are false. Zaros specifically is claimed to have said, in the book of Wahisetal, and I quote: "The Ritual proceeded with an uncommon solemnity in the presence of an actual god, and afterwards Zaros explained what he had been able to perceive of it. In the absence of Mother Mah, whose genuine existence he seemed not to question, he explained that the energies that had been intended for propitiation had instead been distributed amongst the rest of us. He told us that on this world, without regular sacrifice our energies would wither and we would perish. He cautioned however to perform the Ritual infrequently, and recommended an interim of five centuries." *Bold, or emphasis mine. As for Mod Osbourne, he may have said that (I don't personally recall seeing it), but it's possible they abandoned that idea, as Jagex has been careless with their lore. Whatever the case, from the memory books and what concrete information we have in the game, the conjecture that you are proposing is not supported as of now.

Why not? She wouldn't be the only Mahjarrat to have started avoiding rituals (Jhallan tried this), or to have died in battle. From the memory books, it seems that Mah would create hordes of Muspahs, and the only way to save themselves was the Mahjarrat performing the Ritual of Rejuvenation (complete with a sacrifice and Ritual Marker). When she would create earthquakes and avalanches out of angry, only the Ritual of Enervation (or procreation) could pacify her. When they came to Gelinor, they forgot about the rituals for a while, and there was some debate when they switched to Zaros, whether a sacrifice was still needed. They had also lost their ritual stone. Zaros created another for them, and offered to observe. They performed the Ritual of Rejuvenation, and Zaros explained that now that Mah wasn't there, all the energy that they typically had for 'propitiation' - an exact quote, meaning expiation, or appeasing of a diety, particularly by making an offering - not to be confused with procreation - would instead be given to the Mahjarrat themselves.* And that over time, unless there were successive rituals, this energy would diminish. That's all. It has nothing to do with procreation or the Ritual of Enervation, and Wahisetal himself believes that the presence of earthquakes is not necessary for procreation. The only inference to make from this is that, it seems, Mah was actually absorbing the energy of the sacrificed Mahjarrat for herself from all those rituals. Since she is no longer here, the Mahjarrat can instead consume that energy themselves. Sy Accursed quote, and my footnote: *Sy said that according to the memory book, Zaros said that all the energy used for procreation was instead available to the Mahjarrat now that they were on Gelinor. This is false. Zaros said that all the energy used for propitiation (NOT procreation) was available to the Mahjarrat now. That's where the misunderstanding seems to come from.

There is no evidence (perhaps I misread or forget about it) at the moment suggesting that if Enakhra were to give birth, that she'd die. Indeed, wasn't it Lucien, or was it Zemouregal, that tried to reproduce with Enakra but she turned him down, because she loved Zammy or whatever? Zemouregal/Enakhra seem to admit that sexual reproduction is still possible for their species. It's possible Khazard's mom died because she didn't attend enough Rituals. I thought the Mahjarrat weren't reproducing anymore largely because there weren't enough females around (and Enakhra sort of refused), rather than them having difficulties. Still also not sure why reproducing would mean they can't have the Ritual of Rejuvenation?

Miniquest that requires you to get 7500 memories. Lame. A needless way to stretch this out by stupid grinding. Probably some saddist at Jagex came up with this. As for the wealth calculator, and the highscores: exactly what this game does not need.

If we are getting at least 1 quest a month, then I can see some reason for occasionally revisiting some of the other, secondary quests that usually contain elements of humor. If, however, we are only going to get like 5 quests a year (like 2013), then I, as well as most players I imagine, would prefer the 6th Age storyline as it is indeed better, bigger, and more grander. Does anyone remember the horribly inadequate mess that was Birthright of the Dwarves? Yeah, I will pass on that. Jagex either doesn't have the willpower or the budget, or perhaps both, to really make compelling, fun, and enjoyable quests on a regular basis anymore. If that's the case, and we can only have *some* quests, it's better that they focus on the major stuff in the game, which is the 6th Age stuff, rather bringing bacon into the game or whatever because Mod Mark likes bacon or whatever.

Got all those energies by myself in the past two weeks or so doing barrows. It's expensive but they're sooo cute. I am doing more and more arbitrary DIY drop goals. I thought about getting the armour sets myself too, but quickly disregarded that idea, I'm not crazy after all. ;) I also contemplated getting all 6, but that'd would also be crazy. I cloned them all on beta, and decided on these two: There's Karil's. And there's Ahrim's.

Me too. They are incredibly slow with quests, and the World Events are incredibly half-assed.

What's so wrong with that? The Sixth Age arguably has the most impactful and interesting storylines (Gods/Elder Gods, Artefacts, Mahjarrat, Dragonkin, etc.). Nothing else (for most people) even comes close. And they can't really finish any of these storylines anytime soon. There's still so much to do... At least the Return of Zaros series is ending soon. There is nothing wrong a Sixth Age quest per say, it just feels like that is all were are getting now. Jagex is making a show of lore recently, and just using the most popular storylines for all the quests. Which is understandable and I do love the God-related quests, but I love other ones too. I don't think they have enough variety with the quests they are doing, plus there are many old favourites that haven't been touched in awhile. We get so few quests, especially last year, so yeah the variety isn't there. But they haven't done anything major in the Sixth Age (except that small Missing Presumed Death) until this month, so I don't think they have gone past the point of overkill just yet.

It's the next part of the slippery slope. I don't see the hardcore efficiency crowd going away. They will no doubt come back and demand that their effort be rewarded with content. As for 'being forced to do something by gunpoint'; this is a soft form of incentives. So yes, they are pushing the metagame in that direction. No, they aren't physically coercing us to do it, but they are nudging us in that direction. As for rewarding people who simply like getting XP, why? Why do we have to do that? People with 120's in skills other than Dungeoneering are a minority, a small minority of no more than hundreds or a few thousand. Why should we cater to them? If we are catering to them, we may as well cater to quite literally every other group of players as well.

What's so wrong with that? The Sixth Age arguably has the most impactful and interesting storylines (Gods/Elder Gods, Artefacts, Mahjarrat, Dragonkin, etc.). Nothing else (for most people) even comes close. And they can't really finish any of these storylines anytime soon. There's still so much to do... At least the Return of Zaros series is ending soon. ---------- I am astonished that the Master Cape poll is actually passing. I was not anticipating this. What's the point? To change the direction of the entire game just to placate a small minority of players (no more than a thousand or two, who are going to be the only ones bothering with getting 120's). Why are casual/average players voting for this? My only consolation is when Jagex eventually starts putting content for levels 100-120 in these skills and the non-hardcore players actually have to level those, perhaps then they will realize their folly.

Coming in two Parts? Seems like a not-so-clever way to say "it won't be coming this week, but the one after". So what's the update this week? Nothing?

I read that FAQ and boy was it a lot of questions, and some of them answered lazily. One of the answers by Mod Osbourne of all people was something like this "Maybe Guthix tooks human away from Terragaurd, which governed by Saradomin, in order to have his revenge on him?". WTF? Not only was it established that Guthix was not a petty or malicious or vengeful deity, but to reduce his character to something like that. Guthix is by far the most powerful younger god (far more powerful than Saradomin); if he wanted his revenge on Saradomin, wouldn't he simply obliterate him? Instead we are to believe he went all passive-aggressive despite being far more powerful than Saradomin. It makes no sense at all. I found that answer completely unsatisfactory. In another question, they said Guthix wasn't one of the False Users because perhaps he hadn't used the Stone as aggressively as the others, so the Dragonkin were less tormented by him. But wasn't it already established that Guthix became so powerful because he had thousands of years with the artifacts after he left the Naraagi homeworld?

Guthix was also not one of the False Users encountered in the battle, though he has clearly used the stone. So I wouldn't put much stock in that...

So what's the amount of SCM captains to get? 2/2/1? or 2/1/2? I keep getting speed captains (the 27K ones) which seem fairly useless, though better than previous Captains, I guess.

Considering how most buy/sell offers I've seen for them are all around 10-20m, expecting 65m for it is ridiculous. They're far from super rare. Super rare's probably pushing it. A few people had drops whilst I was there. Even if the price is that high, I'm not that bothered. I don't even play enough to spend or use 100m. To clarify I did not literally mean that it was in the super rare category of drops (though, I know I did use the term). I know the wikia lists this as rare only. I meant it was just another monster you'd have to kill maybe a few hundred-thousand times to get the drops. There doesn't seem to be much more to Celestial Dragons: camp for a really long time, and get them. I would not expect 65M for it (the armour is not in actuality all that good), but if people in world 2 are impatient enough and rich enough to blow that much money on it...

Sorry to say, but I think you got shafted. Someone sold 1 for 150M earlier today (probably first one). Even now, someone sold the legs for 65M instant sell. It appears they are super rare.

Pretty amazing quest (in terms of lore and the ending). Thoroughly enjoyed it. At the end... [hide]I went for the happy ending[/hide] I was disappointed by the quest experience rewards (kind of sad they weren't comparable to SOF rewards, but that's a point against the SOF). Also, I thought they could have went for a better design for the Dragonriders. Too small.

Awesome. Greatly excited for this. The patch notes are lame though, unless the screen fixes are for real.

Noble reptiles? An interesting twist.