Iamdan

You really should have talked to her sooner. I mean if you asked her outright she would need to justify a yes with more than 'sure, what the hell' unless she really has nothing better to do. Talk to her after class, try and get a good conversation going with a bit of light flirting. You could get her number after a bit of conversation, maybe with 'you seem pretty cool, we should hang sometime.'

You don't need to get her alone to ask her out, and you don't want to ask her out yet anyway. She's in your driving class so you have time to talk to her. Do it.

I personally wouldn't do the long distance thing, especially with someone I had only been with for a couple months.

I wouldn't worry about it. If anything you should have said something at the time, like 'what's up?' Chances are it was either bad breath or you imagined it.

Has anyone considered the possibility that runefest was always meant to be free, but jagex wanted people who wanted to go enough to pay to be there?

Someone asked me to write a post on touching. Start touching as early as possible, within a couple minutes of meeting the girl is best. Escalating touching is important because it means you're less likely to be friend zoned, and it makes the first kiss much easier by a long shot. If you go from nothing to trying to kiss her, she's much more likely to be weirded out. Don't start out sexual, it's just a method people use to build comfort and familiarity all the time. How fast you should escalate depends on how comfortable she is with it, which will obviously depend on how comfortable she is around you, and how attracted she is. As soon as you feel any kind of tension, or she moves away or acts uncomfortable then stop. You need to flirt more/build more comfort before you can continue. In fact, the only real 'rule' with touching is that you respect her comfort. We're actually hardwired to need touch. It validates us and builds comfort. Most communication is non verbal, so things like body language is extremely important. Touching is a part of that. Don't do it too fast, keep her guessing. Play footsies for a little while but be the one to stop, and continue it later for example. Keep it playful. When you pick dates, pick them that allows for touching. Getting a coffee/something to eat is [bleep]ing terrible for this, and movies aren't any better unless you're already cuddling. Just start with innocent things. Light shoulder touch to emphasize a point, picking lint off her shirt etc Then make it more playful and fun. A playful shove, thumb wars, secret handshakes, footsies, (like tag but with feet) high fives etc. An ioi test I think I've posted here a few times is appropriate next. Hold our your hands face up and ask for hers. If she does it straight away, and/or she puts her hands face down on top of yours then that's a plus. Squeeze her hands for a second and then lower them. If she squeezes back/lowers her hands with yours then you're doing well. When she asks what that was about I tell her the truth. It's something somebody taught me that tests to see how comfortable someone is with you. Then you have hugging and putting your arm around her. Here are my favourite ways to escalate from the basics to hugging/arm around her: The first is obvious, just hug her goodbye/hello. This works well if she is part of your social circle or you're both in school. The second builds off playing footsies. Put your arm around her for a few seconds, tag her and then move away. You can do this a few times. The third is just putting your arm around her/hugging her to emphasize a point. For example I was giving the girl I'm into a lift in the morning, she was barefoot walking to my car and she stepped in dew. I had a towel on the floor of my car, and she commented on it being conveniently there to dry her feet. I put my hand on her shoulder and said something like 'yeah I put that towel there just for you.' An arm around the shoulder for a second would have been appropriate too. Another fun little thing is to put your arm around her and role play like you're married and watching tv, ask her what show you're watching and go from there. It only needs to go for a few seconds. At this stage it will be fairly obvious if she is into you or not. "My back is sore, how about a massage? I'll give you one after" is gold. If you're at a party or something and sleep in the same bed, the old body heat excuse is also gold. When I'm cuddling with a girl while falling asleep, it relaxes me when I stroke her back. If I haven't done it before with her and she doesn't do it back I'll ask her if it's annoying, and explain I have a habit because it relaxes me. Usually she will say no, and then start doing it back if she wasn't already. You can easily escalate into more sensual stroking/scratching and then into a kiss. Playful biting is fun, and if she does it back you can easily escalate it into a more sexual bite, then on the neck and then to a kiss.

Mine was pretty lame, just a quick peck. Weren't you with a girl for like 2 years? :s

Wait, Liberal won? I thought all the votes hadn't been counted. According to the ABC website which was updated like 8 minutes ago that only 78.1% of the votes have been counted. It hasn't been confirmed but it looks like a hung parliament with abbot as pm. It's kinda been looking like that since 9-10pm saturday.

Oh god.. abbott as pm :( Minority government, so the good news is tony is unlikely to [bleep] up anything too badly, and the bad news is nothing too good is likely to come about either.

I found 800s much easier than 400s. I've been trying to do HIIT but my mum's treadmill won't go fast enough and when I run outside in winter my chest throat and nose feel like they're on fire.

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sparky means electrician in australian a control tariff is a main electrical input into a house that the power company is allowed to turn off for x hours a day, but they charge much less for the electricity drawn through it.

I'd say most of them, and yes. Then where does the weakness and being a coward come in?

I don't have a problem with trying to discourage it. It's the 'suicide is weak/cowardly' attitude I've seen throughout this thread that bothers me. People have been through terrible times and not committed suicide, people have been through less and done it. I say the difference is their brain chemistry. You can turn around and say they have a different threshold for suffering and that caused the 'bad logic', however at the end of the day, suicide has been linked to altered brain chemistry. Mental problems are brought about by imbalances in the brain.

I do it for the appearance and pleasure, and because I find it addictive. I never have many piercings at once, (currently just nipple and ear) but I let them heal and get others. I personally wouldn't stretch my ears, (well I did like 2mm, but not to put in a plug) but most piercers/piercing junkies I've talked to say 20mm is pretty safe and will heal. 30+ is when it probably won't. Usually I would agree with you, but my opinion isn't based off myself and my friends point of view. I've approached and talked to a lot of people, most of which I didn't become friends with. Brad P has talked to thousands of women. Not just clubs, everywhere. It's his job to know what's attractive, and he makes a lot of money from it. If I want to switch my hot water to a control tariff, I'll call a sparky. If I want to know what's attractive, I'll listen to a guy who makes his living by attracting women. I haven't personally followed the pua stuff in a long time and I'd recommend other stuff more, but I'm just sayin' I'm not trying to recommend it as means to get laid, it's a just way to avoid the boring 'polo jeans and vans' niceguy look that almost every guy I see seems to have. I'm also not just saying it about piercings. Any specific style will turn off some people, turn on some, and the majority won't have a strong opinion on it. I don't like the peppy style, but if I see someone dressed really peppy and they do a good job of it, I'll acknowledge that they dress well but it won't particularly do anything for me. Others might like it, and others might hate the look. That's all I'm trying to say. At the end of the day, if it was considered gross by the majority of their age group then it wouldn't be a popular style.

I wouldn't be able to get solid facts, but it's what I've found from experience. How many get interviewed for your average small survey? 1000? I would have approached double that easily. It also makes sense. We have a 'pierced and tattooed meat head who gets all the girls' stereotype for a reason. Girls have told me they slept with me because of my nipple piercing. Obviously it would have been more than that, but it made a difference. I've met a lot of women, and the few who didn't like piercings, only disliked specific ones and either liked or were fine with the rest. It's also consistent with a book called brad p's fashion bible, written by a guy who knows more about it than either of us. It would be age dependent. I'd guess roughly 17-27. People just wouldn't get piercings if the majority of people their age thought they were gross. It's a popular style.

I maintain that those who can just suck it up wouldn't have done it in the first place. I speak from experience, and from what I have been told by professionals. By using tact. Proving their problems can be solved, and that people make their own happiness is a good start. What is this second system? Suicidal thoughts?

Piercings work because a small number of girls dislike them, and the majority are shades between loving them or being neutral. Piercings increase sensitivity and pleasure to the area, (why earlobes are so commonly pierced) and they can be really addicting. You're a minority in that you think they are gross.

People are ultimately selfish anyway, even if suicide were selfish then it's merely humans being human. Maybe some suicides have been prevented by simply talking them out of it. My point was that it's not a simple matter of sucking it up, and those who call suicide cowardly etc are ignorant. Of course people should help. What people shouldn't do is degrade them If there is an objective fault with their brain, I think utilizing bad logic is much more likely than if their brain was healthy. I don't see how this conflicts with my point of how going against your hard wiring in your brain must mean there is something wrong with the brain. It requires you to think more and you can use logic yes, but I still think that's where the brain imbalance comes in. != is 'not equals' We need attraction to reproduce, but not love. Well technically we don't need attraction, all we need are orgasms. The attraction helps though.

I'm currently moving on and I'm into somebody else. The whole thing bugs me though, I can't wait until I'm over the first girl.

I get that part, the bit that threw me was that she has just gotten a boyfriend. She wanted a relationship, said I was relationship material, yet didn't want one with me.

Who is to say they would have committed suicide in the first place? Or that they didn't end up doing it later? Could you then say that the brain imbalance caused the bad logic? And that otherwise it might have been good logic? Other then to get attracted to someone so we can reproduce right? Love != attraction

She has a boyfriend, as of like a month ago. She had feelings for me, all the while I was saying I couldn't imagine myself in a relationship. Maybe she suppressed the feelings because of what I said, and still has them for me, but stronger ones for him.

What the [bleep] does "I feel sexually attracted to you and you're a great friend and the sex was great but i don't have feelings for you" mean? :wall: :wall:

You're kidding, right? How many people go to jail for suicide? I'm talking about how stupid people get when they're in love. Love hurts us badly, and there's no need for it in our civilization.