Iamdan

"Hey, I'm too insecure to think you might like me for my personality, so I'm going to try and buy your love. I actually don't buy my other friends stuff, so technically I'm trying to manipulate you." That's what it will project most of the time. Don't be a cheapskate but don't pay for everything either. After you are in a relationship, do whichever you want. Personally I like a balance. I shout sometimes, they shout sometimes - it all evens out. Example: I went out with a girl a couple nights ago. We split the cost of dinner, she bought a bottle of scotch after, I bought the coke and ice, plus I drove. We didn't plan it or talk about it, I just had the frame of not paying for everything.

Mine is being stuck in my own head, like being paralyzed or something.. Johnny got his gun scared the crap out of me. Another fear is being dependent on anything, and I'm also not keen on spiders.

Force yourself to say something. Anything. Ask them what they did that day or what they are doing later on. If you see something about them comment on it. If they have a x band shirt ask them if they went to their last concert. If they look unhappy ask them about it. If it's a cold day comment on it, if you saw something interesting in the news tell them about it If you get into a habit of not talking, it's hard to keep a conversation going. Force yourself to talk and you will get used to thinking on the spot, and it will become easier over time.

Having my heart crushed twice, which is the reason why I haven't 'liked' a girl in 3 years - just objectifying them through many 1 night stands with no concern for their feelings. I'm pretty messed up that way :?

Here's what I think you did wrong. Note that this is only from a solid game's point of view, and nobody has any game in high school anyway. It doesn't mean you have no chance with her, it's just what you shouldn't do next time for better results. It sounds like you said jokes hoping for a reaction. If you wait for a response, you lose value. Bring her into your own reality, you don't need to care if she laughs or not, you're just talking and she is listening. You traded numbers too early in my opinion. Since you traded numbers before she was attracted to you, she is just thinking it's as friends. Asking for her number before attraction seals the deal for you being in the friends column. Your biggest mistake was spilling your feelings early, never do this. If you like her and she doesn't like you, where is the challenge? It's not alpha male, it's beta. You need to attract her, get her qualifying herself to you and let her win you over. That's the easiest and most efficient way of it happening, any other way and you're bumbling along by pure chance. Imagine holding a piece of string above a cat. It goes nuts right? The cat will chase it around the house and over furniture trying to get that thing. As soon as you give it the string, it might play with it for a second and then walk away. I realize how derogatory this sounds, but it's the same case with women and I can't think of a better way to explain it. Everybody appreciates things they have to work for, much much more than if it were given to them. Limiting supplies is a great marketing strategy and it uses the same concept. It doesn't seem like she was acting like she likes you, it takes time. With solid game it can only take 20 minutes. You'd need to wait at least a week. Girls can also give out fake IOIs subconsciously, if you think it's too early then ignore them. In school it can be hard for a beginner to find IOI's, you should have let her ask you for your number first because that is an obvious one. I would drop the liking thing with her, wait a little while and then start disqualifying her while building attraction. To build attraction, show her you are the leader of men, you have a sense of humor, you are a catch, and you are preselected by women. More alpha less beta.

To each his own I guess. When people hit 18+ they tend to have lots of short term relationships that don't end up meaning much. In high school people seemed to have LTRs, then moved onto shorter ones, then after they get over the rush move back to LTRs. This is just in general by the way, there will always be exceptions. It's just my opinion that all these short term relationships don't mean much, and if it works they weren't all that great together anyway. Ultimately it's the girls choice, it's not like I can 'trick' her into doing it. As Lenticular said, she wouldn't do it unless she wanted to, and it won't work on a serious relationship unless they were having lots of problems already. edit: The thing about dating a jerk is also a good point. Especially if she is in a physically abusive relationship and won't go to the police and won't leave him because she loves him, I sure as hell would want to know how to kill her sexual desire for him. Anyway, here's a cool little trick you guys can use to DHV, but you will need a wing to do it. This is the secret to a lot of high end magic tricks, so just tell 1 guy friend who you can do it with and leave it at that, if you tell the girl it ruins it for her anyway. You can use this to 'guess' her birthday/parents anniversary/some other special date. Tell her to write it down and not show you, your wing then takes it and folds it after secretly glancing at it. He then asks you to give the month and date, and telling you the date using keywords. You can hold the paper, or have her hold the paper and you put your hands over hers, or whatever you want to sell the trick. 1- I 2- go/so 3- try 4- will 5- could/would 6-please 7- quickly/perhaps 8- now 9- alright 10/0- ok. 1-7 are easy to remember because it's just number = letters in word. Your wing then says for August 27, "Guess the month now" now = 8 = Aug. So guess the date quickly, so + quickly, 2+7, 27. The trick is to sell it. Guess the date 1 day off, have the wing say he doesn't know how you do it etc. It's great to use sarging a set when clubbing, or even just at a party.

'All the other girls' is a bit of an overstatement but I appreciate the gesture. I didn't say I've done it, just that I know how. As for whether or not I would try it when the situation came up, I wouldn't know for sure until it happened. If she was a really exceptional girl possibly, otherwise I doubt I'd bother.

That's a little unfair, it's almost impossible to talk about the theory behind it without sounding like that. Guys who are naturals do it subconsciously all the time, the only difference is we know the reasoning behind it all.

Try out negging if you want, but I wouldn't suggest doing it to highschool girls. The reason why negging works on more attractive girls that are 23+ is because they are used to guys drooling over them. If you neg a girl that isn't used to it, they can get the idea you're 'too good' for them, and just reject you for the self esteem boost. Negging works on attractive women who have been approached by lots of guys who all do the same nice guy stuff, and drool over their looks. If you neg, she gets curious as to why you don't act the way other guys do. It also is effective for removing the '[bleep] shield' that attractive women tend to have, to get rid of low value guys. Basically they get a temporary slight drop in self esteem because they aren't getting the same reaction as they are used to from low value guys, so they might give fake indicators of interest, subconscious tests etc to see if they can 'win him over' to get that esteem back. That's when the flirting can start, and 'it's on'. Most girls in HS don't have [bleep] shields, (if they do it's an immaturity issue) and they aren't hit on by 15 new guys a day. I suggest using disqualifiers instead, mixed with being cocky funny. Instead of telling her she has something between her teeth, tell her she's funny but too bad she isn't your type etc. Blowing your nose in front of them is also a great disqualifier. Only use these in attraction though. As a general rule I use negging on 9's and 10's only, maybe 1 neg on 8s but I just kinda use my gut feeling if I should or not. Disqualifiers are also important when getting a girl to cheat on/break up with her boyfriend. I won't go into the whole technique but if they aren't used she will know you are just trying to get her to break up with him for you which is low value and she will get defensive.

Now I wish I was a girl and lived in Brisbane, I love going ice skating, but my friends always want to go to the beach so I don't get to go -.- Buy me dinner and I'll see what I can do, touching is extra though :P Heh, too bad you're not a little older. I need a wing.. :lol: Most my guy friends are either too dumb to stick with it/understand it all, too amog or too insecure to give it a try. Sarging alone isn't easy, it especially makes isolating much harder, and impossible in some situations. Think about this: A guys attraction is based on around 20% personality, 80% looks. Girls use makeup, attention getting clothes etc to enhance their attraction. They learned how to use makeup from somebody. A Girls attraction is based on 80% personality, 20% looks. The thing is, most guys don't go out and learn anything to enhance their own attraction. I don't see what's wrong with knowing what's attractive and using it. Sure they use canned lines, but only as beginners. If you use pre prepared stuff that you know works, you don't even have to think about it. You can keep your mouth moving while you concentrate on important things like your body language, voice tone, the girl or groups' reactions etc. Once you have that nailed, you know enough about the theory to use your own stuff and make it all real.

Talk to the first girl when they are both together, it gives you a chance to demonstrate value to her friend, and afterward you can talk to the new girl alone because you've already had a conversation with her. Don't ask her out until she indicates interest and engages you back when you flirt with her. As for asking her out, I just have to post this great way to do it. In the middle of a conversation bring up something cool you're doing but don't invite her. Then towards the end you can say 'you know what, you're pretty cool you should come along to x' Take a piece of paper and pen, write you number on part of it and rip the paper in half, hand her the other half with the pen. She'll know what to do with it, then just exchange pieces of paper. Then continue the conversation for at least 5 minutes, because otherwise she will be thinking the number was your goal and might get buyers remorse. Don't bother telling the girl you aren't interested, women have great intuition. She will probably just know, if she doesn't, she will figure it out when you start talking less to her and more to her friend. Just don't ignore her, it's low value. Do some research on peacocking - I started 2 trends that way when I was at school which kinda defeated the purpose :roll: edit: One more thing, when you ask a girl out, don't go to the movies. The purpose of a 'date' is to make time to show her personality and let her show you yours. At a movie you just sit there in the dark in silence, do something original and fun. For example I love taking girls ice skating. In Australia most people have never done it. It's cheap, fun, and you can demonstrate value by teaching her.

The book is just a semi autobiography, it doesn't have many routines and the ones it does have are pretty mainstream and known by most girls the go to clubs. It doesn't teach anything, it doesn't go into detail, it's more a story about "hey look at me, I was a bald white writer and now I get laid lots." It has some dramas with [hide=spoilers]project hollywood, (a dirty overcrowded mansion filled with used condoms and guys leeching off the gurus) his routines becoming mainstream and mystery becoming mentally unstable from his oneitis[/hide] but that's about it. As I said earlier, if you want a book for the purpose of getting better at attracting women get the mystery method or my book because it has the science behind it which will allow you to come up with your own stuff rather than just using lines spread around by the media that every AFC is using. (And opening wrong I might add. None of them use time constraints or roots, they talk nervously and have nothing else to say other than the best friends test.) Ask her out to coffee, who cares how old she is? It probably won't work out but at least it makes a good story. If you don't mind, I can point out a mistake you made: Asking her where she goes to school. That's a question you save for when you're trying to build comfort. Build comfort before attraction and you get put in the lets just be friends column. Wait until she starts giving indicators of interest. Things like asking you your name, whether you are single etc. A cool thing you can do is tell her about the cube, then take her hand and lead her to a nearby seat or something. It's a compliance test, which will help you because she is getting familiar with you being an alpha male. You can also squeeze her hand, if she squeezes back it's an indicator of interest - then you can move onto comfort. If she doesn't you need to build more attraction so make the cube interpretations unrealistic and funny.

Which one? The game, the MM or mine?

Oh so when I talked about the mystery method ages ago in the old thread everyone shot me down and flamed me, but if neil strauss writes a best seller everyone jumps on the bandwagon :wall: :wall: Don't buy the game if you want to learn how to attract women, it's really just a semi autobiography. If you buy any book, get the mystery method written by mystery, who is the guy who came up with this stuff in the first place. All neil is, is a bald writer who milked as much money as he could from this and brought media attention onto it so none of the original stuff works. We email each other occasionally, he's a cool guy and a great writer but I hate his book. Or at least the fact that it got so popular. Don't use these lines you read, my group has been approached so many times with the spells or jealous girlfriend opener we just laugh at them until they leave. Understand the concepts behind them and come up with your own stuff. Half the girls I talk to have already heard the cube and best friends test, magic tricks and cold reading are becoming corny again so dan has to come up with new routines because all the AFCs are using canned material as their only material :( I have compacted all the important stuff from the MM and expanded on it, as well as wrote about the science behind it etc into a book I'm working on. It's only like 9-10k words atm and idk if I will try to get it published, at the moment it's just a means of collecting my thoughts. If anyone is interested give me a pm.

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For breakfast have boiled eggs and some oats, fruit for before noon, tuna and salad sandwich for lunch. Little or no mayo, no cheese, wholemeal bread, tuna that's been kept in water rather than oil. Fruit, maybe some carrot sticks, unsalted nuts in the afternoon. Salad at dinner with little or no dressing (if you have even a smidgen of dressing, it's probably going to be more calories than the whole salad.) Easy on the carbs, skinless chicken/fish with vegies maybe. Drink plenty of water, and build muscle even if you just do push ups. Get enough sleep too. "A cookie or small chocolate bar" is a bad idea, so is a glass of milk unless it's low fat. Best to try and have only a little dairy, you can get your calcium from things like almonds and salmon. Losing weight is as simple as eating less calories than you burn - find out your base metabolic rate and go from there.

Jagerbombs are awesome if you make it yourself :thumbup: Expensive as hell at clubs though.. As for a girly drink, try midori.

I don't work out, but I can bench my weight which is 90kg (198lb) @ 6'3 or so. Last time I tried maxing squats I stopped at 160kg. (352lb) I doubt I can still do that though, it was like 6 months ago and I haven't done much running since. Maybe 110kg or so. Goddess I've been wanting to talk with your fiance' about the ADF but my msn won't log in. I've been meaning to try and sort that out. :-k

It goes a little further than Rob Bryanton. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many_Worlds_Interpretation Besides, it's no less proven than a lot of things. Just because a composer wrote about a physics theory, it doesn't mean it's bs. He wrote that imagining the tenth dimension thing, but the original ideas came from a physicist 50 years ago.

Here's something I find interesting: If you fold a piece of paper into a loop, you can instantly move from 1 end to the other. If you add a twist to the loop, the 2d being can travel in the 3rd dimension, but will have the impression it's only moving in a straight line. It's the same thing with time. We are 3d beings, and can move through time but it appears as a straight line to us. The 5th dimension is all the possible futures from that moment in time. If we were a 4d being we could move through time, just like we can currently walk up stairs to move in the 3rd dimension. After you pass a certain point in time, a theory in quantum physics suggests that the possible futures in the 5th dimension that didn't happen are collapsed into the 4th. Basically this means teleportation requires the folding of the 3rd dimension, time travel requires the folding of time through the 5th dimension. Going by the physics theory, theoretically you actually can change the future. Imagine a point in time where you can do 1 thing or another. The first option leads to scenario A in the future, the second leads to B. You can travel to before that moment, and choose the second option when the time arises. Folding the 5th dimension through the 6th dimension (if it exists) will enable you to jump between the alternate realities instantly. The thing is, a 2d being can't fold a piece of paper - only a 3d being can. This suggests that folding time by ourselves, and time travel, is impossible unless it happens by something in the 5th dimension causing it.

I forgot who came up with that, but they didn't think it through well. What about if doing that would mess something up? If someone came back in time someone might freak out and kill them. It could also become world news and mess something up. Anyway, it could have happened and those people just haven't told anyone. Either because their future self told them not to, or they didn't want to end up in an institution.

*ends quote train* There are 3 theories (I know of) on time travel: 1. The grandfather paradox 2. If you bring in the rest of the dimensions with multiple futures, it makes changing your own future possible. It will fork into a parallel time stream, so the "you" in the time stream you move to isn't born, because you came from the other time stream where you were born. 3. You can't change the past, if you travel back in time then that was the natural sequence of events and you already traveled time to cause whatever happened but you can't remember because it hadn't happened to your present self yet. This is the one lost went with.

You can exist, because it's your present self doing the traveling. If you travel to before you were born, you haven't been born yet in that time stream, but your present self has. The 'future' would become your present self's past because you have already grown up and traveled time.

The only known plausible way would be the folding of time. Much like holding a pen to a piece of paper, and moving the pen to the other side by folding the paper. Obviously it's theoretical. Paradox's, such as the grandfather paradox has not been solved, so theoretically any time travel shouldn't have any interference with anything, but how do you know you haven't changed something by observing it? Then again it's possible to change the future by traveling back, because the future hasn't happened. Unless you consider determinism, but then again it could be pre determined that that future be changed... :wall: Some paradox's won't effect anything. For example if you travel time to fix a problem, which creates the problem that you originally traveled time for. After the issue is solved, the person's present self can move on. Mass increases with velocity. This means there would need to be more and more force needed to keep accelerating, until an infinite amount of energy is needed to reach the speed of light. The only real way to go faster than the speed of light would be through a wormhole. Much like walking walking through a tunnel may be faster than running around the mountain. Which brings me back to the thing with the pen and paper.

That's only 1 person, living in tribes would allow survival because everyone would have jobs. The people who live through the first year or so will have learned quickly, and would have the experience and knowledge to survive.