Nadril

You *ing self righteous lefty. Read the rest of the thread, I was correct in my assumption.

I really can't explain it better than I already can BlueTear. You never really did answer me though, whats your gear like? I promise you that no well-geared lock is going to fear a rogue. Also a large portion of your damage comes from DoTs. My resiliance does nothing with that. While I'm losing a large amount of damage, you aren't. Before you say "well destruction locks do" anyone who PvP's as a destro lock isn't going to get anywhere in the arena anyways. http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=39603 I apologize for the, well, incredibly boring video and stupid commentary but thats pretty much the state of the class. All the rogues in that video are the best rogues in the game. Really that explains it better than I ever can. Like I said you really can't have any idea if you are running around with a low amount of hp and resiliance. by the way, cloak of shadows is a minute cooldown. It takes maybe a maximum of 6-7 seconds to stack on all your DoT's back on me...

Gotcha. I'll look around for some prebuilt machines. Most I might have you do is possibly put in a new video card or something. (a lot of prebuilt machines don't have that great of a card).

I knew how to turn on our computer and get to pac-man or some scooby doo game (the name escapes me) when I was 3. [This was in the days of DOS too, didn't have windows until i was like 6 or 7 or so and we got windows 3.1.] I think I've been gaming since I was 2 or 3, I'm 18 nearly 19 now. 16 years I guess. :) I love old photos of me. In diapers still and I'm sitting in the computer chair on the PC, lol :D.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/06/11 Other than that this thread is just a glorified advertisement, take it to the sticky in OT.

400 euros is like 800 USD right? Do you want a pre built machine or would you rather put it together yourself and save some cash?

haha sounds awesome. I'll have to listen to this. :lol:

Boredom induces filter piles. Doesn't mean you should post it.

Yeah I'm in the process of finding parts for one right now so I could help out or share what I've found if you want. :)

Again, which cloth users are you not going to kick the crap out of? 12K soullink warlocks, well, sure, but it's not like they're much use anywhere else. Depending on spec, the mage is going to kill you with hugeass crits - then again, at that point you should have comparable resilience and stamina as well. And that's completely ignoring the idea that *maybe* rogue's biggest use in PvP is no longer huge amounts of damage, but it's disabling abilities. As someone said in the thread, go stunlock a healer and see what happends. I'll stunlock a healer in that kind of bracket and maybe lob off a fourth of their gear during an entire stunlock. Next patch players can trinket out of our blind which means that our stunlocks will be even shorter and/or we won't be able to blind > bandage. I hate quoting something from ming because he is incredibly arrogant but he understands what is going on with the class. Sadly warcraft movies is down atm but he has a "PTR dueling video" from 2.1 ptr. Its boring to watch but sheds some light. I'll put it into a bit more of a mathmatical idea for you. Lets first take a rogue versus, say, a warlock when both are in blues. the rogue is sporting 8k hp, a little bit of resiliance (not much) and can crit backstabs for 2k. (we'll use a 30/0/31 build for this purpose) The warlock is sporting around 8k hp along with his other stuff. Now a rogues stunlock at the best can be something like this: cheapshot > backstab > Kidney shot > backstab > Blind > Stealth > Sap > cheapshot > backstab > kidney shot > backstab. Cheap shot = 4 seconds, kidney shot is 6 seconds with 5/5. This full stunlock would allow roughly 20 seconds of uninterupted hits. This is assuming that the warlock does not trinket out of the blind or kidney shot. with a 30/0/31 build I'll have 100 energy. Backstab costs 60 energy. Energy ticks every two seconds for 20. During the course of 20 seconds that will mean that the rogue can have a total of 200 energy regenerated during the stunlock. The entire stunlock in cost is as following (talented) 45 > 60 > 25 > 60 > 15 > 30 > (regen to full) > 45 > 60 > 25 > 60. As far as damage goes we can assume a rogue in that gear has a 20% chance to crit. Add in the 30% and backstab will crit half of the time on average. There are 4 backstabs in that stunlock. On average that means it will do 2k+2k+1k+1k damage not counting white damage, a total of 6k. That means that arguably we can throw in another cold blood eviserate after all of this or something and destroy the said lock. Again this is without the trinket put into play. Now lets look at it like this: The rogue has 11k hp, 30% crit and his backstabs on a target without resiliance crit for, say 2600. The lock has 12k hp and 400 resiliance. Now again lets say that the lock doesn't have a trinket. I'll add in that a bit later. cheapshot > backstab > Kidney shot > backstab > Blind > Stealth > Sap > cheapshot > backstab > kidney shot > backstab. Again we do that combo versus the lock. Now lets look at the damage. backstab, like I said, with a top end weapon is probably critting for around 2600 on a non-resiliance target. 400 resilliance is an 11% less chance to get critical hits and reduces critical damage by 20%. That means that this backstab will crit for 2080 while it will hit for roughly 1300. The rogue has 30% chance to crit, or a 60% with backstab. However with resiliance that is lowered down to a 49% chance to crit backstab, or for numbers sakes its a half again. So the damage could be something like 2k + 2k + 1.3k + 1.3k. That is 6.6k damage on the lock, only 600 more damage then what a blue geared rogue would do to a blue geared lock. And yes these numbers are fairly accurate. Now at this point the lock is at half hp. While in the other fight the rogue could easily just finish off the lock without much trouble (one more hit really) this fight is different. The white damage may add in another 1.5k but nothing big, hit rating is rare to find in PvP gear. Now the big thing is this does not count in the trinket. I'm aware I will probably have to replace blind with vanish if you're using a more offensive pet but a small detail. The point is you can get out of either a blind of ours or our kidney shot, which shaves 6 seconds off of our "stunlock". Also keep in mind this is 1v1. The arena is not 1v1 but a 2v2 and there is going to be another class beating on you during this time most likely. Either way I know the math is a bit rushed but I wanted to show a bit of how we 'scale'. edit: Also I forgot to mention but rogues are extremely squishy when we don't have our opponent incapacitated. Our armor is equal to that of clothies with buffs (since all clothies have some sort of armor buff). While rogues after our initial stunlock really can't keep our opponent at bay other squishy classes can. A mage can kite someone for pretty much forever if they know how to play and a warlock will only have to suffer or drain tank through a bit of diminishing returns with fear. (not like you need it as a soul link build anyways). double edit: maybe later I'll do some theorycraft on a 17/44 build, a very popular build in high end arena play.

Its an ok system but the graphics card is poor, it couldn't run supreme commanders. The other thing is the processor is fairly outdated, I would try and get an intel 2 duo core instead of a Pentium 4.

No I don't blue. But if you read my post on the forums you would have understood that. :) The point is a warlock is going to have trouble with rogues in lower "gear tiers" so to speak. If you're running around in blues or PvE epics you'll get destroyed. Resilience and hp destroy rogues in the arena. By the way the post I wrote was not a "first hand experience" but more of common sense to those who play a rogue.

How much hp/resiliance does your character have BlueTear? Sprint, CloS and stuns don't last long. In fights where both players are in blues rogues still have a huge upper hand versus casters, the same however is not true for top end arena players which is what the entire post is about. Either way I'd be willing to bet you don't have 12k + hp and 400 + resiliance like the bracket i'm talking about.

I'm not a racist at all, but I admit I am more scared of black people, even though they don't do anything different, it's just a natural reaction with me. At least my assumptions were right then.

I do agree I might have jumped the gun with the race card.

If they are greyed out than they aren't on.

Hah creepy man. I don't really have an explanation.

Save for the last two as they aren't a race: Those races aren't sterotyped as "violent". Either way the way the OP put it sounded like he was unecisarly afraid just because they were black. Perhaps I'm reading into it too much and I apologize if I am but thats what i got from that post.

Loosing xp is very common in korean made games. You lost it and could delevel in Lineage II as well.

You put....tape... on your car. whats wrong with you?

Yeah shadowstep in its current state sucks [wagon], I wouldn't recomend it to anyone.

You *ing racist. Thats really all I have to contribute to the thread.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 1&pageNo=1 Something I wrote on the rogue forums about the current state of the class. As OP as we are pre 70 and in the lower 'tiers' of lvl 70 (gear levels) we are very gimped in high end play. The post sums up a lot of what most of the rogue community already knows but I mostly made it to get some ideas about it.

You'll have fun in kara. As a rogue the first boss is easy, just tank an spank really. Only thing people have to worry about is he randomly charges people but he doesn't charge those who are in melee range. Moroes is a pain in the [wagon] though, guild only could get him to 50% hp or so our first try. Hopefully you'll have a lot of CC (he comes with 4 adds). Some badass gloves/necklace drops off the first boss and moroes can drop the emerald ripper. :thumbsup: I hated that Moroes fight. We had to try it like 4 times before we got it, because half of the group had never been into Karazhan before. It's just getting down the adds quick and watching for his gouge or whatever he uses. :uhh: If you're talking about the bleed that would be garrote. Man what was blizzard smoking when they decided to give him a 5 minute bleed he can use on someone that does 1k dmg a tick? #-o Next time we can get in there we should have him. Honestly our only problem is we didn't have enough CC. We would shackle 2 of the adds, me and the other rogue stunlock/evasion tanked the 3rd while dps burst it and the hunter trapped the fourth. Only problem is he wasn't survival and didn't have a fast enough cooldown on the traps :( .

Without a doubt it is a virus. Reboot in safe mode and scan from there. edit: lol he called you a niglet