rareghoul1

:-s so do you just ask for a key half then when you beat him you get it? i don't understand, and by the way hilarious sig.

AHahahahah. Do I have to? Honestly, do I? I mean it would take me like 45 Minutes just to name some of the well-known ones. wow, you are the most guilible person i have ever met. just because their stat isn't in the hiscores doesn't mean they don't have that stat raised. and by the way, the max level for a pure is 72, magic, any higher and you have to be a hybrid, if you have 60 attack and 99 str that means you're a hybrid, not a pure. No, your have your own definition for pure then. Pure means refined, without flaw. The common definition for "pure" in runescape means without defense. Thats why a MAXED pure has 99 att, 99 str, 1 def, 99 range, 99 mage, and under 52 prayer. My definition of a hybrid is someone who pks with a whip or a d scimmy in robes and uses ancients. Which would make alot of people who you deem a hybrid, not. are you an idiot? you just contradicted yourself, you said pure can have 99 attack but cannot use any dragon or above weapoons. the definition of a pure is someone who has all combat skills at 1 except for one stat, not someone with one defense. ever heard of defense pures? Defense pures are called tanks. Now on you calling me an idiot, that was uncalled for. I in NO WAY insulted you. I gave you my definition of a hybrid pker, when you deemed someone with over 72 mage a hybrid not a pure. So you sir are contridicting yourself. Try insulting me when you take the lower ground in an argument again and youll find your posts being reported. ok then... and your sarcastic comments hinting at me being an idiot are no less insulting how? at least i have the guts to say it to you. i have had the lower ground in many an arguement on tif, and just because defense pures are alled tanks doesn't mean they still aren't pure. I never in any way suggested your an idiot. I said you are contridicting yourself. And i used no sarcasm in that post. Now them, i belive your definition of a pure YOU JUST GAVE ME was this. Someone who does not train defense, and only a combat skill is a pure. You contridicted yourself again, congratulations! You obviously want me to try to call you an idiot since you accuse me of it on a regular post. I wont give you that. Bug off kid, you dont know anything about pures, and your entire argument on this post only proves it. hey goood job on making something up that i said! yeah! i said that a pure trains one stat and hp. that's all they train, witht he exception of skills. rareghoul1 what part of the "pure" class did you miss? there are nearly no str pures left, they all got killed because of whip/dds combo... now i will list all the pure types that i know off...(they are all maxed) str pure: 99 str/hp whip/dds pure: 70/80 attack 99 str 52 prayer 99 hp rune pure: 70 att 99 str 40 defence 52 prayer 99hp fremmy pure: 70 att 99 str 45 defence 52 prayer 99hp ancient whip: 99 magic 70 att 90/99str 99hp dark bow/dragon bolt: 99 ranged 99hp 50 defence tank ranger: 99 ranged 99 hp 70/99 def (maybe 52 prayer) defence pure: 99defence 60 att 50/60 str these are all known pure and if you look at it ONLY 1 got 1 combat skill maxed... you can argue whether or not these pure are effective but there are sooo many ways to build a pure. love me, hate me, don't flame me.... [/hide] your definition of pure is diferent from theirs, the guys i was argueing with. a pure doesn't mean amxed stats, means works on that stat. either way, there are too many definitions of pure for this arguement to be solved/have any point. They dont need to be maxed, but still, they are all pures. Your definition makes them hybrids. What good is a pure with 99 str and 1 attack. Its obvious they will be better used with attack (40 for f2p, 60,70, and higher for p2p) what's the point of having high str and att if you get hit all the time? the only reason most people of your definition pures get 60 attack is to wield dragon, most could care less about about hitting so much as long as they do high damage. when i played 2 years ago and did pk somewhat, most people pking that were not balanced had full iron and an iron scimmy, that only used melee. some had rune scimmys, but not many. the good of a pure with 99 str and 1 attack is that they would be lvl 50ish and be hitting 20s with iron scimmy. Your first sentence proves my point, you know nothing of pures. Pures are made to kill regular people their level for rune, when they risk next to nothing. You make them eat soo much they CANT hit you. And then you get their pixels. Yay, argument done :D no aruguement not done, as with balanced players' defense, they block most attacks pures send at them because they stop training attack at 60. if a pure can't inflict constant damage he's done, well, i am contradicrting myself here, but if a pure gets unlucky for 2 turns, he's done. he has too eat, then he gets hit more and has to eat again. i suppose i was wrong with the fact that pures can't lose, but they still have high chances. now i'm going to say something completely dumb and not true. anyway this thread is dead to me now.

Saying that most pures are disrespectful is a generalization believed by many to be true, but I think I can help the people who read this to get that thought out of their heads. Along with the ideas that the majority of pures are drop traders, rule breakers, and like you said cowards. I myself have a pure account. It's a member, and I make money by law running, flax picking, and gathering snape grass and Unids. I'm in a clan called The Unexpected, and I'm also a member of Pure Community. I know from experience that the majority of the pures that join pure community are honest, respectful players who are just trying to have some fun playing the game in a different way, not just because they are cowards and don't want to ever die in the wild. To say that the majority of these pures are drop traders and cheaters is absurd. Just from looking at the forums I've seen that they've all adapted to making money in different ways. There are plenty of guides on ways to merchant from having about 10k up to millions. I've also seen many pures who spend their time collecting each and every material needed for a certain quest like Desert Treasure or for doing all the RFD quests to get mith gloves without getting defense. They take these "quest kits" and sell them to other pures for anywhere between 50-150k and there are many pures willing to buy them. I've seen 90% of these pures making honest livings in Runescape and being respectful to all others, not just other pures. The other 10% are ridiculed by the pure community, and like most pures, by the rest of the RS community as well and eventually give up on their pure. Generalizations such as the ones you've stated in your posts are the reasons why most people ridicule and judge pures before they even get to know the person behind the account. And it's this sort of attitude that drives some people who have pures to be nasty and rude to any non-pure they see, just because of the way they've been treated in the past. So if we are to establish a bond between pures and non-pures, we need to remove the generalizations made about pures and instead try to learn about each other rather than judge each other on the type of RS character they prefer to make. P.S. - And even though I have a pure, I think that the argument that people hate pures because they've been pked by them is complete bull. The only reason is because of the generalizations that are made, and then believed by the majority. the only problem with your arguement is that most pures aren't part of communities, as most 'scapers aren't part of any runescape forums. i've yet to meet any pure except 2 who were respectful to those around them. also, if you look up pures and they don't have any stats except the ones they're pure of, they probably drop traded. also, i find merchanting as bad as pking, you're just taking other people's money/items not earning it, but that's just me...

AHahahahah. Do I have to? Honestly, do I? I mean it would take me like 45 Minutes just to name some of the well-known ones. wow, you are the most guilible person i have ever met. just because their stat isn't in the hiscores doesn't mean they don't have that stat raised. and by the way, the max level for a pure is 72, magic, any higher and you have to be a hybrid, if you have 60 attack and 99 str that means you're a hybrid, not a pure. No, your have your own definition for pure then. Pure means refined, without flaw. The common definition for "pure" in runescape means without defense. Thats why a MAXED pure has 99 att, 99 str, 1 def, 99 range, 99 mage, and under 52 prayer. My definition of a hybrid is someone who pks with a whip or a d scimmy in robes and uses ancients. Which would make alot of people who you deem a hybrid, not. are you an idiot? you just contradicted yourself, you said pure can have 99 attack but cannot use any dragon or above weapoons. the definition of a pure is someone who has all combat skills at 1 except for one stat, not someone with one defense. ever heard of defense pures? Defense pures are called tanks. Now on you calling me an idiot, that was uncalled for. I in NO WAY insulted you. I gave you my definition of a hybrid pker, when you deemed someone with over 72 mage a hybrid not a pure. So you sir are contridicting yourself. Try insulting me when you take the lower ground in an argument again and youll find your posts being reported. ok then... and your sarcastic comments hinting at me being an idiot are no less insulting how? at least i have the guts to say it to you. i have had the lower ground in many an arguement on tif, and just because defense pures are alled tanks doesn't mean they still aren't pure. I never in any way suggested your an idiot. I said you are contridicting yourself. And i used no sarcasm in that post. Now them, i belive your definition of a pure YOU JUST GAVE ME was this. Someone who does not train defense, and only a combat skill is a pure. You contridicted yourself again, congratulations! You obviously want me to try to call you an idiot since you accuse me of it on a regular post. I wont give you that. Bug off kid, you dont know anything about pures, and your entire argument on this post only proves it. hey goood job on making something up that i said! yeah! i said that a pure trains one stat and hp. that's all they train, witht he exception of skills. rareghoul1 what part of the "pure" class did you miss? there are nearly no str pures left, they all got killed because of whip/dds combo... now i will list all the pure types that i know off...(they are all maxed) str pure: 99 str/hp whip/dds pure: 70/80 attack 99 str 52 prayer 99 hp rune pure: 70 att 99 str 40 defence 52 prayer 99hp fremmy pure: 70 att 99 str 45 defence 52 prayer 99hp ancient whip: 99 magic 70 att 90/99str 99hp dark bow/dragon bolt: 99 ranged 99hp 50 defence tank ranger: 99 ranged 99 hp 70/99 def (maybe 52 prayer) defence pure: 99defence 60 att 50/60 str these are all known pure and if you look at it ONLY 1 got 1 combat skill maxed... you can argue whether or not these pure are effective but there are sooo many ways to build a pure. love me, hate me, don't flame me.... [/hide] your definition of pure is diferent from theirs, the guys i was argueing with. a pure doesn't mean amxed stats, means works on that stat. either way, there are too many definitions of pure for this arguement to be solved/have any point. They dont need to be maxed, but still, they are all pures. Your definition makes them hybrids. What good is a pure with 99 str and 1 attack. Its obvious they will be better used with attack (40 for f2p, 60,70, and higher for p2p) what's the point of having high str and att if you get hit all the time? the only reason most people of your definition pures get 60 attack is to wield dragon, most could care less about about hitting so much as long as they do high damage. when i played 2 years ago and did pk somewhat, most people pking that were not balanced had full iron and an iron scimmy, that only used melee. some had rune scimmys, but not many. the good of a pure with 99 str and 1 attack is that they would be lvl 50ish and be hitting 20s with iron scimmy.

it is weird, but ask jagex about this and they will either not respond or say the probability is the same. i got 2 teeths and 1 loop from randoms in oone day, bought another loop to complete it. it is strange, but the probability is the same.... unless it changes from monster to monster, and the monsters that drop teeth more often aren't fought as much. those are my theories.

Then get up to date on your definition of a Pure. 3 People here. 1 Pure, 2 Non-Pures. 2 People say Pure is low Defence, and trains Combat Stats. Alright, Defence IS a Combat Stat. I just hoped you were smart enough to assume I meant Attack/Strength/Range/Mage. i know you meant that, and i told you you were wrong. and by the way, this is going nowhere so i'm gonna stop posting here, there are plenty of people who believe both our definitions of pures, and by the way, this should go in debate club. By the looks of it, my friends in the tip.it irc, and everyone else on this thread agree with the oposing definition of a pure. You are alone on this one. seriously, the definition of pure must have changed, and besides, i can pm 10 people right now who will agree with me, 3 of which have pures. i don't know their names or how they act on them, but they do have them.

[hide=wall of quotes] AHahahahah. Do I have to? Honestly, do I? I mean it would take me like 45 Minutes just to name some of the well-known ones. wow, you are the most guilible person i have ever met. just because their stat isn't in the hiscores doesn't mean they don't have that stat raised. and by the way, the max level for a pure is 72, magic, any higher and you have to be a hybrid, if you have 60 attack and 99 str that means you're a hybrid, not a pure. No, your have your own definition for pure then. Pure means refined, without flaw. The common definition for "pure" in runescape means without defense. Thats why a MAXED pure has 99 att, 99 str, 1 def, 99 range, 99 mage, and under 52 prayer. My definition of a hybrid is someone who pks with a whip or a d scimmy in robes and uses ancients. Which would make alot of people who you deem a hybrid, not. are you an idiot? you just contradicted yourself, you said pure can have 99 attack but cannot use any dragon or above weapoons. the definition of a pure is someone who has all combat skills at 1 except for one stat, not someone with one defense. ever heard of defense pures? Defense pures are called tanks. Now on you calling me an idiot, that was uncalled for. I in NO WAY insulted you. I gave you my definition of a hybrid pker, when you deemed someone with over 72 mage a hybrid not a pure. So you sir are contridicting yourself. Try insulting me when you take the lower ground in an argument again and youll find your posts being reported. ok then... and your sarcastic comments hinting at me being an idiot are no less insulting how? at least i have the guts to say it to you. i have had the lower ground in many an arguement on tif, and just because defense pures are alled tanks doesn't mean they still aren't pure. I never in any way suggested your an idiot. I said you are contridicting yourself. And i used no sarcasm in that post. Now them, i belive your definition of a pure YOU JUST GAVE ME was this. Someone who does not train defense, and only a combat skill is a pure. You contridicted yourself again, congratulations! You obviously want me to try to call you an idiot since you accuse me of it on a regular post. I wont give you that. Bug off kid, you dont know anything about pures, and your entire argument on this post only proves it. hey goood job on making something up that i said! yeah! i said that a pure trains one stat and hp. that's all they train, witht he exception of skills. rareghoul1 what part of the "pure" class did you miss? there are nearly no str pures left, they all got killed because of whip/dds combo... now i will list all the pure types that i know off...(they are all maxed) str pure: 99 str/hp whip/dds pure: 70/80 attack 99 str 52 prayer 99 hp rune pure: 70 att 99 str 40 defence 52 prayer 99hp fremmy pure: 70 att 99 str 45 defence 52 prayer 99hp ancient whip: 99 magic 70 att 90/99str 99hp dark bow/dragon bolt: 99 ranged 99hp 50 defence tank ranger: 99 ranged 99 hp 70/99 def (maybe 52 prayer) defence pure: 99defence 60 att 50/60 str these are all known pure and if you look at it ONLY 1 got 1 combat skill maxed... you can argue whether or not these pure are effective but there are sooo many ways to build a pure. love me, hate me, don't flame me.... [/hide] your definition of pure is diferent from theirs, the guys i was argueing with. a pure doesn't mean amxed stats, means works on that stat. either way, there are too many definitions of pure for this arguement to be solved/have any point.

still don't think a new skill is coming out soon... but it's just a mstake, there's plenty of them. in fact i think my total is 2 levels higher than it should be. i can't remember how many times i've leveled range today, otherwise i could tell.

Then get up to date on your definition of a Pure. 3 People here. 1 Pure, 2 Non-Pures. 2 People say Pure is low Defence, and trains Combat Stats. Alright, Defence IS a Combat Stat. I just hoped you were smart enough to assume I meant Attack/Strength/Range/Mage. i know you meant that, and i told you you were wrong. and by the way, this is going nowhere so i'm gonna stop posting here, there are plenty of people who believe both our definitions of pures, and by the way, this should go in debate club.

i have all those cons now and i'm not a p mod have you tryed wearing a quest cape in f2p all you get is ppl asking for help with quests asking for free stuff :XD: wear any member cape except wildy, obby, and fremenick and you get that.

Aquashock said they can't have Defence, although I'm sure he would agree with me when I say Hiei, TotalyNectar, Dutch Leader, etc, are Pure even though they have 20 or so Defence. Heie is 26 defense, do you think he went over 20 on purpose? No, when a pure gets the defense they want, they stick with it. Raregoul, you keep contridicting yourself to the point where it confounds me. Im done with this argument. show me where i have contradicted myslef, then i'll believe you.

AND WE SAID THAT AN RS2 PURE TRAINS COMBAT, AND KEEP DEFENCE LOW. Read. Your definition of a Pure is WRONG. Go find a PURE(Low Defence, Trains Combat Stats) and ask them if they are Pure. They are going to say [shock]Yes[/shock]. dude, defense is a combat stat, get it through your thick skull! and that's like asking a jerk if they are nice, even if they say they are, it doesn't mean they are.

i hate pking and questing, i just like training and talking with friends. i hate the fact that pking is in the game, as it spawned pures, but i just don't do it and i don't have a problem with it.

AHahahahah. Do I have to? Honestly, do I? I mean it would take me like 45 Minutes just to name some of the well-known ones. wow, you are the most guilible person i have ever met. just because their stat isn't in the hiscores doesn't mean they don't have that stat raised. and by the way, the max level for a pure is 72, magic, any higher and you have to be a hybrid, if you have 60 attack and 99 str that means you're a hybrid, not a pure. No, your have your own definition for pure then. Pure means refined, without flaw. The common definition for "pure" in runescape means without defense. Thats why a MAXED pure has 99 att, 99 str, 1 def, 99 range, 99 mage, and under 52 prayer. My definition of a hybrid is someone who pks with a whip or a d scimmy in robes and uses ancients. Which would make alot of people who you deem a hybrid, not. are you an idiot? you just contradicted yourself, you said pure can have 99 attack but cannot use any dragon or above weapoons. the definition of a pure is someone who has all combat skills at 1 except for one stat, not someone with one defense. ever heard of defense pures? Defense pures are called tanks. Now on you calling me an idiot, that was uncalled for. I in NO WAY insulted you. I gave you my definition of a hybrid pker, when you deemed someone with over 72 mage a hybrid not a pure. So you sir are contridicting yourself. Try insulting me when you take the lower ground in an argument again and youll find your posts being reported. ok then... and your sarcastic comments hinting at me being an idiot are no less insulting how? at least i have the guts to say it to you. i have had the lower ground in many an arguement on tif, and just because defense pures are alled tanks doesn't mean they still aren't pure. I never in any way suggested your an idiot. I said you are contridicting yourself. And i used no sarcasm in that post. Now them, i belive your definition of a pure YOU JUST GAVE ME was this. Someone who does not train defense, and only a combat skill is a pure. You contridicted yourself again, congratulations! You obviously want me to try to call you an idiot since you accuse me of it on a regular post. I wont give you that. Bug off kid, you dont know anything about pures, and your entire argument on this post only proves it. hey goood job on making something up that i said! yeah! i said that a pure trains one stat and hp. that's all they train, witht he exception of skills.

Why do you say easy Selling in W2? Someone also said easy buying... if you have chat on hide people still see your chat in the chat box, plus crowns are more noticable.

high combat skills. i have never played rsc, nor can i. defense is a combat skill you Again. We are talking about RS2 Pures and you know it. RSC Pures had Defence and Range and Mage 1. RS2 Pures are little to no defence, and contradicted yourself, and you contradicted yourself by saying they can have little defense. your whole arguement is made up, there are too many contradictions. rs2 pures are pures. most people who say they are pure are hybrid. pure means only one combat skill and hp are worked on. Again, your putting out your definition of a pure. The common definition, ill say it again, is someone who does not train defense. Calling someone who trains range and mage only just a hybrid does not classify them. Your leaving someone your talking to open so they have to ask their defense level. You can say a pure, they automatically know they are 1 defense. If you say a hybrid, you can hybrid mage/range melee/range mage/melee. so you two think it and all of a sudden it's the common definition? i played 2 years ago with this same name, back then pures had 1 attack, 1 def, and either worked on str, mage, or range. if you had attack with str, everyone knew you were hybrid. if you had range and mage, you were hybrid. and if you ask around, it's still the same.

Again. We are talking about RS2 Pures and you know it. RSC Pures had Defence and Range and Mage 1. RS2 Pures are little to no defence, and high combat skills. i have never played rsc, nor can i. defense is a combat skill you contradicted yourself, and you contradicted yourself by saying they can have little defense. your whole arguement is made up, there are too many contradictions. rs2 pures are pures. most people who say they are pure are hybrid. pure means only one combat skill and hp are worked on. You see? Your whole idea of a pure is distorted. Read what I said. Kthx. Little to No Defence = 25 Defence and Under. i read what you said and it was wrong. before you said they can't have defense, now you say they can have 25 or less defense. anyway a mod should lock this, it's going nowhere, our views on pures are different and so causes the arguement to be unsolvable.

AHahahahah. Do I have to? Honestly, do I? I mean it would take me like 45 Minutes just to name some of the well-known ones. wow, you are the most guilible person i have ever met. just because their stat isn't in the hiscores doesn't mean they don't have that stat raised. and by the way, the max level for a pure is 72, magic, any higher and you have to be a hybrid, if you have 60 attack and 99 str that means you're a hybrid, not a pure. No, your have your own definition for pure then. Pure means refined, without flaw. The common definition for "pure" in runescape means without defense. Thats why a MAXED pure has 99 att, 99 str, 1 def, 99 range, 99 mage, and under 52 prayer. My definition of a hybrid is someone who pks with a whip or a d scimmy in robes and uses ancients. Which would make alot of people who you deem a hybrid, not. are you an idiot? you just contradicted yourself, you said pure can have 99 attack but cannot use any dragon or above weapoons. the definition of a pure is someone who has all combat skills at 1 except for one stat, not someone with one defense. ever heard of defense pures? Defense pures are called tanks. Now on you calling me an idiot, that was uncalled for. I in NO WAY insulted you. I gave you my definition of a hybrid pker, when you deemed someone with over 72 mage a hybrid not a pure. So you sir are contridicting yourself. Try insulting me when you take the lower ground in an argument again and youll find your posts being reported. ok then... and your sarcastic comments hinting at me being an idiot are no less insulting how? at least i have the guts to say it to you. i have had the lower ground in many an arguement on tif, and just because defense pures are alled tanks doesn't mean they still aren't pure.

i am not jealous of pures, it takes nothing but money to make one and it takes no skill to pk with them. that's like saying it takes skill to get your str to 70, it's just clicking, and that's all pures have done.

Again. We are talking about RS2 Pures and you know it. RSC Pures had Defence and Range and Mage 1. RS2 Pures are little to no defence, and high combat skills. i have never played rsc, nor can i. defense is a combat skill you contradicted yourself, and you contradicted yourself by saying they can have little defense. your whole arguement is made up, there are too many contradictions. rs2 pures are pures. most people who say they are pure are hybrid. pure means only one combat skill and hp are worked on.

pressed view but still cant see, whats it under?

AHahahahah. Do I have to? Honestly, do I? I mean it would take me like 45 Minutes just to name some of the well-known ones. wow, you are the most guilible person i have ever met. just because their stat isn't in the hiscores doesn't mean they don't have that stat raised. and by the way, the max level for a pure is 72, magic, any higher and you have to be a hybrid, if you have 60 attack and 99 str that means you're a hybrid, not a pure. No, your have your own definition for pure then. Pure means refined, without flaw. The common definition for "pure" in runescape means without defense. Thats why a MAXED pure has 99 att, 99 str, 1 def, 99 range, 99 mage, and under 52 prayer. My definition of a hybrid is someone who pks with a whip or a d scimmy in robes and uses ancients. Which would make alot of people who you deem a hybrid, not. are you an idiot? you just contradicted yourself, you said pure can have 99 attack but cannot use any dragon or above weapoons. the definition of a pure is someone who has all combat skills at 1 except for one stat, not someone with one defense. ever heard of defense pures?

wow, you really have no clue how regular people act do you? i'm friendly with anyone until they call me a noob for being lower leveled in something or being poor. i am not biased against pures, because i did not decide one day that they all sucked, every pure i met except for 2 have been downright rude to me, to the point where i would punch them if it was real life. thoose 2 i have met were in the wildy when i was watching fights. we had pleasant conversations about the pking triangle, and how it is completely off from the combat triangle. my mind was made by those rude people, not by me.

AHahahahah. Do I have to? Honestly, do I? I mean it would take me like 45 Minutes just to name some of the well-known ones. wow, you are the most guilible person i have ever met. just because their stat isn't in the hiscores doesn't mean they don't have that stat raised. and by the way, the max level for a pure is 72, magic, any higher and you have to be a hybrid, if you have 60 attack and 99 str that means you're a hybrid, not a pure.

[hide] i can guarentee you they don't ruin pc, clans do. they force everyone out of the world by beating games every minute. lvl 70-90s make up the majority of pc games if they are not clanned. they do not ruin it, they are the best players to have in a game because then low leveled players have a chance at getting 50 damage before it is over. On the contrary, having low leveled players only means that the void knight gets killed more often than not. on the contrary, level 100+ people just leave the knight open for attack and just kill portals and spinner, if even those. anyone below that level usually has the sense to guard the knight and defeat the rangers outside the gates. that's called coordination, if you switched places doing that too, you wouldn't get bored as easily. Sir, you know nothing of pc. Those people aren't guarding the knight, they're guarding their exp interests. And the only thing that clans do is speed up exp for everyone. If everyone had the same mindset of attacking the portals, each game would be less than one minute. And people who can't do 50 damage shouldn't even be in there. 50 damage is highly plausable for a level 80-90 with a rune scimitar. apparently you have never been on a world where a clan is. i don't pc much, but clans ruin it for me. they come in, and finsih games before i can get even 30 damage. they ruin it for everyone who is not their level or higher. and people don't guard the knight for xp interests, most worlds lose because people only focus on the portals. that's why i usually don't do pc, people don'rt know how they can win, they only rush in thoughtlessly, but the people who do know what they're doing are clanning. The objective of the game is to A) last 20 minutes B) Destroy the portals before the Knight dies They dont do it thoughtlessly, and they all know what they are doing. If you cant get in your 50 zeal, then you shouldnt be there. If your having such a big problem, hop worlds. [/hide] you're not supposed to let the knight die either, that's what happens in most games before the portals can be destroyed.