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Eh, this seems like a fairly common complaint. Part of it is that the Keyers are pretty much the only people high enough to do Warped floors. So if they don't go with each other, then more than likely they'll just end up C1ing F52+ and lose a lot of potential exp. This, in a nutshell. There are other circumstances where you'll see more than two ranks on a team, too, like when we're reviewing potential keyers. I always prefer to have two ranks on a team -- if I'm keying, I can't watch the rest of the team and give them advice on how to improve, so it's useful for me to have a second rank to do that. Today was warped floor day for everyone, btw. Bad timing.

YES

oh god i lol'd and i don't even know why

no unholy > eeks > spectral at nex THIS IS WHY I DON'T NEX

Spectral will be useful at Bandos, Arma, Nex, and usable at solo Sara (though the magic defense is moot there).

I believe the consensus for Nex is that spectral = EEKS. Which one you choose depends on what you have available to you (so is it more worthwhile for you to invest your money into a spectral or your tokens into an EEKS?).

No but it'd be better, at least they contribute something. what's the magic number, then? dude use your common sense.. look around at other people and see mate. its pretty standard that you work 8 hours a day. if youve got kids then hopefully you don't have to but ive worked with peeps who stilll do 8/10hour days. if jobs hard to come by then you should be looking. but seriously mate those no magic number, is it not obvious that everyone should be aiming for 8 hours work a day? im on a farm at the moment, most things are self sufficient and we work 6-7hours a day every day except sunday. thats really life imo, thats paying bills and eating enough. people who don't work either scrounge of parents or the government. but thats not what this is about.. Where do college students fit into the "everyone should work eight hours a day" plan?

"WE'RE UDG! WE KEY 15 MINUTE FLOORS!@@!@" But for the love of god don't let anyone find out that we actually do 5:4 larges... EDIT: This explains that picture Matt posted, for anyone wondering.

CKS for Bandos (though the lack of magic defense hurts a lot.) EEKS for solo Sara, I guess. EEKS for Arma. I'm torn between CKS and FKS for DKs. I personally use FKS. So... I guess it depends on what you're going to do most.

Read the guidelines, please.

what ;_; Don't worry man, you're a Hero Keyer, too. :] Ever since the first time I saw you say that I've been using it to describe keyers who 1) die a lot for better times and 2) do what Tui did that floor -- shame the team. :P

Three things: 1) This topic again? 2) It's called moderation and self-control. You should try it sometime. 3) I don't see why you can't play Runescape while playing guitar/learning French. I happen to do all three of those things, and I don't seem to have a problem (other than not having a proper French accent and being somewhat sloppy with my sweep-picking. <_< ). If Runescape is ruining your life, you're gonna have much bigger problems when you get older.

Tui - Hero Keyer.

Yeah, spirit dag is decidedly better than both swamp and lava titans. Overlord is good, too.

Courtesy of Cheeesy:

It's worse than hand cannon for sure. Karil's xbow I'm not so sure about, though I suspect that it's worse than that, too.

I know what you mean. It's not really vital information, so it doesn't bother me, but that font BURNS MY RETINA (I play on fixed).

LOL his first ever "rush" (read: actual dungeon) was with Grimy?! That must have been hilarious. That's . . . that's like wanting to try drugs for the first time and snorting a spoonful of cocaine instead of taking it easy with a joint. Not that I know anything about any of that. :shame: EDIT: Life as an unhooded keyer is hard. Ask Grimy. :P You can key without a hood, it's just much harder as far as I can tell.

This. And it'll be free.

Depends, and it would be helpful if you said what they were or posted a picture. I don't think may people here want to open the high scores and look you up manually. Honestly, we don't care THAT much about stats. However, if you try to go with one of our pro teams and you are <120 combat, chances are you won't get great exp because you will die frequently. Well, you'll have roughly the same defense if you're all wearing hoods, so the only defensive disadvantage you'll be at is less prayer before the altar and a little less hitpoints, perhaps no SS either. You'll have those situations where you'll be wishing you had 10 more prayer or 100 more hp, but if you pay attention and execute a little common sense (i.e not going into boss rooms alone/lagging) you should be alright. My main concern with people of lower combat levels is that they won't deal sufficient damage in guardian rooms. Defense in dungeoneering doesn't matter at all if you don't have armor - most monsters rape me and I'm 99 defense/magic. But anyway, I highly recommend that people with lower combat levels get at least 80 attack for a gorg 2h. Having a higher tiered zerker ring is a necessity, too. We don't really discriminate based on combat level (within reason), but most keyers will snap at you if you're waiting for other people to jump into GDs or avoiding tanking, so be sure to take initiative.

Congratulations to our newest keyer - Nikcevich. :thumbup:

Great guide xpx. :thumbup: We're considering changing DGS to FGS - Fishsweepers.

I use Skype to dg probably 90% of the time and I ALWAYS count in-game. Skype can lag, causing everyone to hear the countdown at different times. Just sayin'. ;)

Lep, I think you're kinda going overboard with this. I mean, first of all, you're using 148 - you can't expect much from them (though in this case I think you're in the wrong). Second, I think you're under the impression that good dungeoneers don't exist anymore, which is definitely not the case. Third, dungeoneering methodology is different from when you got 90 dg; I think it'd be more worthwhile for you to spend your energy learning current methodology rather than just complaining about it.

Why? Like I said, I've never had that problem, DGS or otherwise. Making a big adieu about it seems unnecessary.