Laura

But marijuana doesn't just come with "perfect" users. You have to get those drivers, or those lunes who just lose it. You can't have both. Sorry. I don't know anything about Amsterdam, or have anything to back up anything I say, or you say, so I'll refrain from saying anything. About these side effects, I think not. Tell me, what is the point in smoking it, if it doesn't make you feel high or free, makes you dizzy and what not? I've witnessed first hand people that have been proven to have been smoking pot, and have would up in the hospital for public nudity, harassment, but have been deemed unhealthy to be sent to prison at the current state.

It's nothing like that. That is the worst analogy I have ever heard. Speeding can harm others fatally. Using marijuana, can't. ??? Unless you mean by driving and stuff, but that isnt "using marijuana", that is "using marijuana and driving." If a group of friends are just burning one down at home, how can that kill anyone like speeding does? "Lays, you can't have just one" When you're high, or smoking, you want to bring other people down with you. And Amsterdam is entirely relevant. By your speeding analogy it is obvious that you think legalisation and use of marijuana would affect the country in a negative way. And my point is, look at amsterdam. With all the supposed dangers, you would think they would have noticed an increase in all the [cabbage] we link with marijuana use. You didn't explain anything about Amsterdam, is it legal there? Look, its clear the propaganda has got to you. I don't want to sound condescending, but for some reason, you're just naturally against marijuana subconcsciously, and in order to rationalise the likely cognitive dissonance that you would experience from people claiming that it has no harms and this being backed up by mainstream society and media, you have to result to these ridiculous points that are both false and entirely irrelevent, for example, asserting that logically, marijuana should be illegal because its legalisation would hold only a small amount of benefit, even though benefit would obviously be huge. I don't need to have been told propaganda to know that having smoke come in contact with you lungs, is a bad thing. Despite what you or others say, it is a physiologically addicting drug. And I still don't see your benefits. The FDA (as an example)would have to approve each and every company which came up. Crashes would become more frequent, even with an illegalization against driving with it, the wide spread use of it, would have an effect just like alcohol. [hide=Medicine.net] [/hide] Fact is, if someone can have their life ruined for smoking weed, then the system has failed. If you can lose your job for having it in your blood system, the system has failed. If you can be imprisoned for possessing it, the system has failed. If you can be looked down upon by society simply due to government fueled propaganda, then the system has failed. What? Just answer me this. What bad would come from legalising its use? I think you'll find that the answers, if any, are entirely on a personal level. Do I even need to explain the amount of people on the street with, slow reaction time, dizziness, etc? Oh, and look at this: In 2006, there were 13,470 fatalities in crashes involving an alcohol-impaired driver (BAC of .08 or higher) 32 percent of total traffic fatalities for the year. Image the Marijuana fatalities now. I have proof to back up the scientific evidence if you wish, one is already above.

[hide=Yahoo! News]New York - Some of the long-term factors that have pushed oil prices to record levels are starting to change. ADVERTISEMENT In large part because gasoline prices are over $4 a gallon, demand for fuel in the US is falling for the first time in 17 years. China is raising prices for gasoline and diesel a move that might ultimately lower demand. And, on Sunday, there were signs supply might increase as Saudi Arabia's oil minister indicated that the country would increase production through the end of the year if needed. Iraq is also set to sign contracts with foreign companies to hike production. "It's all a step in the right direction," says Phil Flynn, an oil analyst and trader at Alaron Trading in Chicago. "These are certainly signs to the market that prices can't just continue to go up." However, some of the shorter-term factors are becoming worse. On Friday, the energy markets were digesting news of an attack on a Royal Dutch Shell oil platform in Nigeria that shut down over 200,000 barrels of oil per day in production. Then energy traders fretted over news of an Israeli military exercise involving 100 planes, with some speculating that the aim of the exercise was to send a message about Iran's nuclear ambitions. And, it's not clear how badly the US corn crop, used to make ethanol, a gasoline additive, has been hurt by the flooding in the Midwest. "These factors are keeping the price up for now," says Mike Fitzpatrick, vice president of energy risk management at MF Global, a commodities brokerage. By the end of day Friday, the price of oil had closed at $134.62, down 24 cents for the week. Nationally, the price of gasoline is $4.07 a gallon, according to American Automobile Association, down 1 cent a gallon from the record high. Short term tensions The attack on the Royal Dutch Shell platform occurred last Thursday, about 75 miles offshore. Although Nigerian rebels had attacked oil rigs before, this is the furthest from shore they have ventured. "When the manager saw the attack, he immediately shut down production of the oil and natural gas," says Rainer Winzenried, a spokesman for Shell in The Hague, Netherlands. As of Sunday, the Shell platform was still shut down. Mr. Winzenried says Shell has declared force majeure, a legal move that frees the company from its obligation to deliver oil. "It can only put upward pressure on the prices," says Mr. Fitzpatrick. The energy markets were also roiled by a news story in The New York Times that Israel had mounted a military exercise involving 100 F-15s and F-16s. The article linked the exercise to Iran's nuclear ambitions. "What are the Israelis thinking?" asks Fitzpatrick. "It lights up the whole area." Over the short run, the energy markets are also watching for updated corn crop estimates given the flooding in the Farm Belt. On the futures market, the new crop corn is up about 25 percent in the first half of June. "One of the uncertainties is the ethanol situation in the Midwest," says Tancred Lidderdale, an energy analyst at the Energy Information Administration in Washington. "A number of plants are shut down, there has been a disruption of the distribution process, and the railroads are flooded," he says. "We typically have gotten imports from Brazil, and they can increase their exports but I'm not sure they will." With gasoline prices on the rise for months, consumers are now starting to cut back. According to the EIA, in the first quarter of the year, demand for gasoline fell about 100,000 barrels per day, or about 1.3 percent of daily consumption. For the year, EIA expects consumption to drop 0.7 percent over 2007. "This would be the first year over year decline in consumption since 1991," says Mr. Lidderdale. The lower gasoline consumption is probably due largely to less driving. According to Department of Transportation statistics released last week, from November through April, Americans drove 30 billion fewer miles than the same period the prior year. "That's the sharpest drop in recorded history, some 66 years of collecting data," says Doug Hecox, a spokesman for the Federal Highway Administration in Washington, adding that "the drop took place before the price hit $4 a gallon." China's price hike Initially, oil prices fell after China announced it was raising the price of gasoline by 17 percent and the price of diesel by 18 percent. Some analysts thought it would cut demand, which grew by 7 to 8 percent on an annual basis in the first quarter. But, in the last three months, demand growth has slowed to 3 percent, partly because of shortages, says Paul Ting, an energy analyst. Now, he says Chinese refiners, although they are still losing money, might increase production somewhat. "So, we have conflicting forces, higher prices which might have some marginal impact on demand and more product available from the refiners," he says. "I think the end result will be an increase in demand, but not back to the 8 percent growth rate." Slowing demand may be met by an increase in supply. On Sunday, Saudi oil minister Ali el-Naimi, at a special meeting of oil consumers in Jeddah, said production might increase over the current 9.7 million barrels of oil per day if the market needs extra supplies. The kingdom had already committed to produce an extra 200,000 barrels a day starting in July on top of an additional 300,000 produced in May. The extra Saudi production comes at a time when Iraq is also talking about adding to its capacity. Last week, the Iraqi government said its production was up to 2.5 million barrels per day, about where it was prior to the coalition invasion. On Sunday, officials also said it was awarding additional oil contracts to 41 foreign companies in the hope of boosting exports by another 500,000 barrels per day. It will be the first time the global energy companies will be back in Iraq since Saddam Hussein kicked them out in 1972. Wire service material was used in this story.[/hide]

"It adds little benefit" Okay, lets see -More prison space Except from the people that are desperate for the stuff, that they steal to feed the addiction, driving under the influence, the list goes on. -No money is lost prosecuting people for using it. And more money is being issued for drug tests, and equipping cops with the tools to test for the drug. -The courts are freed up. See above. -People are no longer made criminals for a personal choice Right, so there morals will take over. -Police can spend time on hard drugs and real criminals They don't go "looking" for drugs, unless there's a hint or suspesion, or pull overs, there's really no difference here. -Taxing corporate sales of marijuana would lead to HUGE amounts of money Which would all be spent on the DUI drivers, cops, etc. -The illegal marijuana trade would be killed, removing both the gang relations and the stigma. So now gangs can get high together, in public! -People can use it, and KNOW that they are buying a product that is free of other, more dangerous drugs, and is also consistent in quality. Another thing for the FDA to overview each and every company. These really aren't little issues like you seem to think. Not to mention, the entire concept of making something illegal because "it adds little benefit", is totally ridiculous. Yeh, it doesnt add a lot of benefit, I know, LETS MAKE IT ILLEGAL. What? That point is irrelevent anyway, when you consider it would add HUGE benefit. Benefiting what exactly, certainly not public health. And forget benefit a second - shouldn't people have the choice? Give me a reason why they shouldn't. They do, it's just unhealthy, and against the law. As for an example of someone being punished - well off the top of my head, I can think of Steve Kubby. The US government refused to give him marinol (a synthetic form of THC, which doesnt even cause the feeling of being high). I think they allowed it when he was close to death, yet still, there are others who have been imprisoned for actually using it medically. This is rare, but what is actually common is the closing down of the medicual marijuana vendors (which you need to show proof that you have doctors permission in order to buy it.) This isnt punishing them directly, but it does take away their regular supply of it. Totally ridiculous. Then it was probably because it was looked into, that there was other alternatives, and then the doctors license was revoked. God, please let the whole "unhealthy" point go. You dont even have to smoke it. And even if you did, SO WHAT? Being a stunt man is unhealthy. So is caffeine. It isn't the governments role to make personal decisions for the people on matters which aren't even that significant. The governments are starting to let go the whole link between schizophrenia and marijuana, cause they've realised the total idea is [cabbage]. Look at the people in Amsterdam, do they have higher rates of cancer/death/illness/crime/schizophrenia due to marijuana? NO. You'd think with all the supposed "dangers" it has, they would have actually noticed something. It's the same as having a speed limit. You have a choice to go over it or not. And sure, speeding offers some benefit at times, such as giving birth in a car, etc. But when it become for the good of the public, then the government should intervene. I don't really see your point, what does Amsterdam have to do with anything?

Yeah let's make video games illegal too since kids have been known to become addicted to video games and even kill other people over consoles. There are video game related deaths and you have to pay money to play so they should be illegal too... He's right. You can't physically OD on marijuana, I think a study revealed that it would take over 1500lbs of PURE THC administered in 15 minutes for a mouse to overdose. That my be an exaggeration, but you get the point. And to whoever said the point about people "needing it to get high" or wanting the feeling of being high - well, shouldn't they have the choice? The social consequences of marijuana are entirely due to stigma and propaganda. Sure, you become impaired, and you could crash a car - so why not make a law like they did for alcohol. When we talk of legalisation, we don't mean we should make everything related to marijuana legal, i.e, you can drive whilst high - we aren't saying that. What we're saying is, it isn't that dangerous, it doesn't even have to be smoked, the same laws we have for alcohol in terms of age and public conduct can apply, and that overall, the only real reason it is illegal is because of problems stemming from the very fact that it is illegal. If you legalise it, then big business taps into it, growing marijuana in a factory - therefore you don't get it mixed with other stuff. As well as this, this would practically put dealers out of business - who the hell would buy weed from some dodgy street dealer when you can buy a product you KNOW Is consistent in terms of quality from a licensed seller. And what kind of dealer would continue to sell marijuana when companies are making better products in bigger quantities in a LEGAL MARKET. Sure, people could grow it, but people can make alcohol and grow tobacco too. As well as this, even if you assumed that 99% of users were growing it (Which is ridiculous and would never happen), the government would still make more money than they do from making it illegal. It would also free up prison space, and give authorities more time to deal with REAL CRIMINALS. So why isnt it legal? Old fashioned stigma and neoconservatives. As for medical marijuana, the fact that the government in the USA still puts people into prison, who have been advised by their doctors to try marijuana, is both sickening and ridiculous. Quite honestly, that is one of the most preposterous things I have ever heard. With all this medication out there, dangerous pills made in a lab somewhere, with various dangers and side effects, they continue to prosecute people who have been told by their doctors that weed could help them. Even in medical marijuana states, the federal government still prosecutes people, something to do with the authority of federal over state law. Goddamn, morphine is made from the poppy seed, (as is heroin), yet they still pump all this [cabbage] about weed being dangerous into the media. Most medication has side effects, get over it. So what if you become high? That is NOTHING compared to the side effects of drugs that are used daily in hospitals around the world. I've said it all on the first page. It wasn't sown into the economy. It adds little benefit. It would free up prison space sure, but the taxation, and economic factors would probably end up costing more than hunting down the farms and dealers. It adds little benefit in the long run to the county. So, like I said, what's the point? Morphine, adds extreme benefits under certain circumstances, so I don't even know why you're comparing it. Marijuana for recreation doesn't, for medical reasons, of course, does. Find me where they put someone in jail for being prescribed THC. You do have a choice, even if it is illegal. The fact that you will go to jail if you are caught using it, only adds to the fact that's it's unhealthy.

Yeah, some more than others. There's an obvious distinction to be made between ODing on something like heroin (easy and relatively common) and ODing on something like pot (near on impossible and has basically never happened). As for the topic, I think it could potentially have some benefits medicinally. As I understand, there are some studies against it, but a fair few for it, too. Let me put it this way - if I had a relative who wanted to use it medicinally because of chronic pain/nausea, etc, I'd say give it a shot. Eh, I guess I got the two mixed up at first.

Yeah let's make video games illegal too since kids have been known to become addicted to video games and even kill other people over consoles. There are video game related deaths and you have to pay money to play so they should be illegal too... That's comparing apples to oranges. Video games can offer countless hours of entertainment, if used appropriately and responsibly. There's a fine line between being irresponsible, and being irresponsible because of drug realted issues. And I would believe it possible to vaporize so much of the drug, that adds more than the surrounding oxygen count, leading to suffocation. So, that being said, I'm sure you can OD on anything your body takes in.

Yeah, I heard something, was...feeding on the radiation?

Sorry but that statement alone shows that you don't really have a good understanding of the drug. You can't OD and die from marijuana. So if I take 10kg of marijuana, and smoke/inhale it within an hour, I won't die? From lack of oxygen, or just from the drug itself? :| Just a helpful hint: don't listen to anti-drug/smoking ads on television, they are purely propaganda. Smoking marijuana does not make a person forget to pick up their little brother from soccer practice; it is the person's fault for being irresponsible. I guess not, but I know enough about the drug, that I wouldn't consider taking it.

Tobacco, was here long before the 1800's. :| Do you know what a lobbyist is? So, no, lobbyists don't but they sure persuade legislation to vote against putting more ads up against smoking, making smoking in movies illegal, etc. Supply and demand has little to do with the fact that they are legal. I'm sure Marijuana has a much greater demand than its supply, and what do ya know, it's illegal. People want them sure, in fact, millions of people do, maybe even climbing to the billions. But that's only because it wasn't made illegal in the first place. Billions upon billions of dollars has been dumped into tobacco products,and if that all went away, we are looking at a hurt economy. It just needs to be highly taxed, and have a similar solution as gasoline, high prices, until people realize, it's not only bad for them/the environment, but hurtful to their wallets. The problem with MJ becoming legal, is that it leads to social decay. People striving to get it, and then OD'ing, leading to "premature deaths". What's the point in it becoming legal? So you can get a "high", feel good? There's plenty of legal ways to do that, even ways costing less.

Eh, if you're doing it long term, no. If you just want to kill a few to see what it's like, sure. You should be able to kill a few though, yeah.

I say Spear>SS. The Saradomin Sword might add a tad more strength, but the spear adds a tad more crush attack. It's also way less expensive. I wouldn't count the special, since a Dragon Mace is better either way. Use a Dwarven Helmet as well.

Internet, or used to be. Now that I've been away from it for weeks, it feels good. I still don't watch TV, which is what I felt I'd go back to after I stopped browsing hard core.

I don't think you guys are seeing the entire picture. Medical Marijuana is already legal in twelve states, if not more. Marijuana for recreational purposes will never become legal. Why? The risks out ways the benefits. Then why isn't alcohol illegal? Cigarettes? The were established before democracy's were founded, and before evidence linked to health hazards on such a large scale as it is today. They have been sown into the economy. To be honest, they should just make both of these drugs illegal. And the only thing that is keeping them legal is well paid lobbyists, and economic factors.

The entire image is also fuzzy, but the hit is not, you'd need to change one or the other. :-#

Zero's now have slashes through them. Yes, you can tell. And this is the wrong forum. :?

Is it me or do you look different in this picture then the others(not sure how though) Since it doesn't have the captions(and since I painted both hands :lol: ), it was probably taken at a later date, maybe earlier this year, the others are a tad older.

Tell them you didn't set questions, and ask them to check the IP address, worked with me. 8-)

Runecrafting. 'Nuff said.

Everyone in the group must have Lootshare on, and the leader can toggle Coinshare in the clan menu.

Archer Ring is more efficient that buying Ranger Boots or a Robin Hood Hat, if he really want's to spend his money on ranging, than an Archer is the best choice.

I know in Shilo, you can get 55k/hour. But since you're dropping, maybe 35k-45k. Also depends on your level of course.

Maybe a Robin Hood Hat, but I'd just stick with an archer helmet, until you can buy Ranger Boots.

Woodcut Yews at the GE or Edgeville. If you can afford Faldador Teleport runes, then maybe Rimmington, just go get an empty spot.

Your defence does play a small role in magic attacks, but not enough to be efficent to the prayer drain amount. :? So, you could use it, yes, would it really help? Not really.