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Tier lists really only apply to high/top level play ,but Ness and Lucas fall under low (due to chain releases and other bad characteristics...) and IC go high due to their awesome specials and infinites.

If I had to choose, I'd say number one. Saradomin Sword = Poor Man's God Sword. Can you train controlled with a Whip? That'd be a better choice than any of these. Na, it's more like the dumb man's whip. SS is not applicable where the GS is, and vice-versa. Just get a whip, barrows, and a fury when you can. Dragon is garbage.

If I had to choose, I'd say number one. Saradomin Sword = Poor Man's God Sword. Can you train controlled with a Whip? That'd be a better choice than any of these. Na, it's more like the dumb man's whip. SS is not applicable where the GS is, and vice-versa. Just get a whip, barrows, and a fury when you can. Dragon is garbage.

The ONLY thing MK lacks is .... umm... I'm not sure actually. You can say weight, but it's not true at all. It's harder to combo light characters (very minor reasons) and the more important reason is that if you DI + use his uair, he can live to middle/heavy class levels because his uair is the quickest aireal in the game, which cancels momentum. You can say he lacks a projectile, but considering he is the best planker in the game and that he has the best approach game in the game... that's a non issue. He has no bad matchups, stages, disjointed, reach, priority, KO power, etc. He's beatable. But he's definitely the best character in the game.

The ONLY thing MK lacks is .... umm... I'm not sure actually. You can say weight, but it's not true at all. It's harder to combo light characters (very minor reasons) and the more important reason is that if you DI + use his uair, he can live to middle/heavy class levels because his uair is the quickest aireal in the game, which cancels momentum. You can say he lacks a projectile, but considering he is the best planker in the game and that he has the best approach game in the game... that's a non issue. He has no bad matchups, stages, disjointed, reach, priority, KO power, etc. He's beatable. But he's definitely the best character in the game.

Learn to kill with Sonic (fsmash, dsmash, bair, and some other stuff), get used to his insanely fast running and attacking speed, and get around his learning curve. You'll be a decent Sonic player in no time. :) (Although I don't use him much now, I use Ness because his playstyle suits me more.) Well, I use sonic sometimes, but hes not very good in Brawl. And MK is too broken imo. I'd rather win/lose with dignity than win with no skill. Sonic definitely isn't god tier, but he is average at the very least. His insanely fast running/attacking speed is balanced by his awful killing moves, that's why he is more extreme and that most people dislike using him. Also, MK is overrated IMO. He definitely is god tier, but characters like Mr. Game and Watch just has better stuff than him. It's not that it's hard skill wise to kill with Sonic, but his inherit kill ability is just too low. He has other issues too, not just KO power. Sonic is mid tier AT BEST, he used to be bottom and it took a much improved metagame to get him to mid. And MK is not overrated, just take a look at his frame/damage/priority/ko %'s.

Learn to kill with Sonic (fsmash, dsmash, bair, and some other stuff), get used to his insanely fast running and attacking speed, and get around his learning curve. You'll be a decent Sonic player in no time. :) (Although I don't use him much now, I use Ness because his playstyle suits me more.) Well, I use sonic sometimes, but hes not very good in Brawl. And MK is too broken imo. I'd rather win/lose with dignity than win with no skill. Sonic definitely isn't god tier, but he is average at the very least. His insanely fast running/attacking speed is balanced by his awful killing moves, that's why he is more extreme and that most people dislike using him. Also, MK is overrated IMO. He definitely is god tier, but characters like Mr. Game and Watch just has better stuff than him. It's not that it's hard skill wise to kill with Sonic, but his inherit kill ability is just too low. He has other issues too, not just KO power. Sonic is mid tier AT BEST, he used to be bottom and it took a much improved metagame to get him to mid. And MK is not overrated, just take a look at his frame/damage/priority/ko %'s.

By then you'd have so much blues... doesn't Obsidian charms take a long time to get?

By then you'd have so much blues... doesn't Obsidian charms take a long time to get?

Sonic isn't fast. :? :? :? Sakurai just made him run fast, really. Wario is fast. :shock:

Sonic isn't fast. :? :? :? Sakurai just made him run fast, really. Wario is fast. :shock:

Sonic, I think it's best to keep Brawl tiers in a Brawl thread, a kirby tier in a kirby thread, etc instead because this would be quite confusing b/c most people wouldn't know what you're/everybody else is talking about.

Campbell's right. 6.7 is WITH deaths calculated in.

Items usually aren't merched for 4 months. I think the boots are just supply and demand. I do think chains will drop a bit, though.

I REALLY want to as well, but considering I don't even have time to log into RS... :|

As been said, Melee is far superior for general purposes. Ranging definitely has it's uses, no denying that (Aviancies, GWD and other bosses, etc) but Meleeing can do just as much and is faster xp for slayer and, like I said, general purposes. Saying that, I would use Range when possible, but don't force range on tasks that would be done way faster using Melee. (Tanking with Range would be stupid. Just range safespottable tasks and Melee what you can't.)

I've heard Dag's giving less xp too, but I don't think anybody ever bothered confirming... Or it might have been a glitch that's been patched.

IMO, DPS and avoid-ability are far more important then reflectors/etc. They add to your DPS, and that's all it does.

I was comparing all of Lucas' and Ness' attacks. Plus, THROUGH MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (I've completed boss battle multiple times) MK is by far the easiest. He has the most control (he's always in the air), does good damage, and can airdodge whenever he feels unsafe. The problem with Fox is he's way too much of a fastfaller, you have to know the bosses inside and out to stop attacking and play defensive, which you guessed it, is hard. This is because Fox has no defensive options while he's attacking, while MK does. Seriously, use MK, spam nairs and airdodges. Plus, he has the best recovery which can save your [wagon] if you mess up.

Use hearts depending on your % and the next boss using your judgement. Never use Pk Fire/Pk Flash, they're too slow. Only use 1 aireal, and Lucas has the best (DAir).

1) MK. I used MK and I easily beat Intense on boss mode, although I couldn't do it with the other chars. If you're doing it in SSE with multiple characters, then I would add Yoshi and Lucas to that list. 2) Iunno ppl play lots lolz 3) iunno ppl r crazy lulz 4) I'm pretty sure it's without continues 5) I never payed attention, since I play a lot I have maxed coins usually. Master, Crazy hand, and the mario plant thingy is super easy. Porky, Raquaza, Galleom, and obviously Tabuu is pretty hard, but with MK its not too hard, just airdodge and jump when he does the RROD.

Can't tell if that's sarcasm, but considering your past attitude I'll assume it's not? I'm sure you've heard of knowns and unknowns Known: Strength's affect in the formula Strength bonus' affect in the formula Strength prayer's affect in the formula Etc. Speed Unknowns: Everything related with attack and defense Everything about strength and speed is already known, not by dividing them, but through max hits. And the formula isn't just looking at the Str bonus and adding them up, it's a complex formula. viewtopic.php?f=30&t=788441&start=0 It took him that much data just to find something that's given by Jagex. (Max hits) Now if you find a way to calculate attack and defense into that formula, then it would mean something. But then again, like I said, it's IMPOSSIBLE because there are no given values from Jagex, nor is there a way to tell ingame like strength. But, the reason why your formula doesn't even give a slight clue to str/second is because you don't factor in levels. (Which, again, would require a more complicated formula) An extreme example would be me (maxed stats) using a bronze dagger against another maxed person with a bronze 2h. I would win. Why? Because our max hits and accuracy would be approx the same, but I would attack much faster. Dagger attacks 2x as fast with 1/2 the speed, so by your logic it would be equal, when it's not.

So how, then, can you be sure that mine is wrong? Because of testing. It proves your graphs means nothing. Secondly, you're putting together a random formula and asking why it doesn't make sense. Also, weapon 'rankings' depends on the monster you're killing, so graphs are pretty useless.

Unnecessary, or I hope so... It scares me knowing how much people can be hooked to the game...

You forget about Turoths and Kurasks, as well as people who haven't unlocked EE (or don't have the cash for SGS) or are short on gp yet love slayer. Hell if you don't have an SGS on some prayer tasks d b axe is as effective as any other spec, as you saves enough gp to justify using the higher aggressive prayers. It annoys me when people write db axe off, it has got its uses at lower levels and even some higher levels. It saves 1k every 5 minutes... Not worth giving up healing of EE or SGS, esp. since 1 shark is worth more than that. If you don't have an EE or SGS, then even the DDS is better since it gets you faster kills and ultimately makes up for the 1k. Hell, it doesn't even save 1k every 5 minutes, because you repot every 10 minutes. And yeah, the DDS specs hugely outperforms the DBA and the EE. They're extremely overrated. As for the OP, use Zammy brews, Pure sets, super sets when applicable. I find Sara brews an overkill for slayer tasks, but some prefer to use it.