Bob, we have different views and opinions, that's fine. You said that Jagex started as hobby, that is true, but it matters not what the company started as, what is important is what it is now, in the present. That's your view on it, that's fine, but don't claim it as an absolute truth, unless you have proof for those claims. I think their updates are largely made to attract new players. They seem very swallow to me, adding bits of random things instead of improving and solidifying what already exists. That's my opinion, of course. It's quite obvious their updates will please to large amounts of people. In a game big like Runescape an update that pleases 50 000 players is not a good update, even if the amount of of satisfied players is "large". The question is: does the updates please most of the players, or a significant amount of the players, it's all about proportion. I'm interested in hearing more about the legal reasons why Jagex cannot take ideas off fansites. If it's true, it will forever change how things work on fansites, so it's very important. If a mod can clarify on that, it would be much appreciated. I heard many many people tell their horror story about how they got banned unfairly, or how their ban appeal got accepted even if it was complete nonsense. Unfortunately, Jagex rules prevent us from showing evidence(screenshots) of those bans/appeals. You could say that there is no evidence, but that's because Jagex prevents us from showing evidence, atleast under forums that follow Jagex guidelines. It's quite fishy if you ask me. Don't tell me what Jagex believed or not, you aren't part of their company, you don't know. Miniclip indeed has a large player base, a very young playerbase at that. This raises the question again: Which age range is Jagex truly marketing at. By allying with Miniclip, Jagex betrayed us for their personal benifit.