may i point out the obvious? putting this in RuneScape Metagame Discussion, although sounding like a good idea. was a mistake. cls v cr "Discussions" are never about the true detail. as for me, i have had a whip for ages. it is a trusty weapon, one that plainly always works, even if not the best. the way i see it, i can get a cls and get something thats probably an improvement. or i can get a cr and get something that is defiantly an improvement. for me, someone who is far from maxed, has only 70 slayer, does not pk, the cr just wins. thats all there is too it, its better then my current weapon, while being the same. and im willing to trade a 5% boost in dps for a 5% boost in reliability.