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Good guess. Maybe trimmed red/black dragonhide too? Even though that's basically what Godhide is. Maybe a new version of Infinity, akin to Enchanted = Mystic. Amulet of Fury (T)? Full Dragon (G)? Wouldn't mind either, even if normal versions took a small hit, but really, Dragon is pretty much the next step up from Rune. At the very least we'll be getting Dragon Daggers, Longswords, Scimitars from level 4 clues... New versions of old useless weapons? IE Rune Cane = Rune Mace Maybe Dungeoneering-style armor? :mellow: I dunno. Aren't we expecting them to follow predictable patterns?

Climbing whats?

Yay new signature. Upgraded from the version I posted a day or few ago. All mind-numbing Paint. Tried to blend edge colors by averaging the color values of the two colors that were touching and replacing part of those touching colors with the averaged value... Yeah, this took a while. Anything that was touching white I blended with the value of TIF boards background mithril skin ( I think that's what it's called; I can't seem to figure out how to change it again though). And if I'm correct I just gave everyone an informative lesson on how basic Anti-Aliasing is done! :)

I think a similar effect as the ferocius ring or fire cape on ice strykes would make more sence(something like +10 damage) as defenders are rather used as offencive equipment. Your idea would only work if the defenders were actually rare and not everyone could afford to use them in wildy. I think we already have enough damage increasing items. People have been clamoring for damage reduction for awhile. I think something to partially protect from specs would probably be a lot more popular than another damage booster. I actually really like that idea, but it'd have to be balanced VERY well. Although I agree we need more damage reducers, I don't agree that one should be an item that will already increase accuracy by like 30%. It would be neat if pieces of Dragon armor got special abilities though... Just not this ability for this piece of armor. Existing armors should be given damage reducers and your Defense level should be the chance that those reducers will kick in - IE full Rune (Large-Kite-Plate-Legs) has +209 slash Defense giving 20.9% damage reduction from slash attacks and 99 Defense gives you a 99% chance that it will kick in. Maybe I'll make a thread about this in suggestions for it to be shat upon by hypocritical oldies.

^ Your avatar... :smile: Lol woulda profited by like 500 - 2500gp if I hadn't overprepared and dropped all those things.

That's amazing. Really, it's surprising what people can do within the confines of the game, and I've no idea how they even "get into" doing stuff like this. ... Or Ice Barraging in Dungeoneering... ... Or making Overloads at 85 Herblore. COUGH!! Pretty cool, but does tick me off a bit as well. :P People who exploited the bug have a 14 day ban atm (whilst the accounts are reviewed for further punishment = pemanent ban if applicable) If applicable? Are they using some sort of system to track it and give bans accordingly, like for the Penguin Points abusers? Cuz losing 14 days membership sounds like a steal to get 99 Dungeoneering, even if you enjoy the skill. Not that I would abuse that glitch, of course. I don't know how to do it.

That's amazing. Really, it's surprising what people can do within the confines of the game, and I've no idea how they even "get into" doing stuff like this. ... Or Ice Barraging in Dungeoneering... ... Or making Overloads at 85 Herblore. COUGH!!

Not to argue, but to clarify - Magic bonuses are very important, but not so much Ranged or Melee. I would guess that +1 Magic Defense is worth +2 or +3 Ranged or melee. Coincidentally, I did exactly what you describe in your example above on one of only 3-4 Armadyl trips in that I was the only one with Spectral on my team and I ended up using less supplies than my friends (trio) who either used DFS or UB to the point that I would be leaving far earlier than I needed to.

Does 76 Agility make catching Raw Sharks a better or at least a comparable option than catching Raw Monkfish?

Well yeah, but if I wanted to get technical I could say that if you made 1-2m an hour you could buy an Arcane in around the same time. But no, I'm aware of that. :) I myself don't plan to buy anything until I have enough for 2 items. I'll probably buy a set, such as Chaotic Staff and the Farseer Kiteshield, or Chaotic Longsword and Chaotic Kiteshield. Not too keen on the Ranged set... However, most of the people on TIF are efficiency freaks, and if they did buy two items they would likely get the Crappier and CiaLiS. I think the main topic of this thread is pretty much over though... #-o

New sig or avatar! Whichever it will fit as... All Paint, but I don't know how to smooth the edges... <_<

Wondering the same thing... Mostly wondering if I can get one in the Grand Exchange for mid or less. Nevermind, I'm just not patient enough. :thumbup:

Not going to pointlessly quote the entire thing... Anyway, if they come from Frenskae, to say that they're based off of human designs would mean both that they're not exactly "ancient" as we have actually heard in back stories and in game, and also that whoever made them went back and forth between the two worlds, which I don't believe they've ever hinted at, making it sound rather that it was a one-time migration. You are right though, it's possible that there are actually human smiths capable of working Dragonite, although I think they specified it was equipment brought from the other realm... _______ And let me try once more. It takes high levels to get Dragon Claws yourself! It takes moderate levels to get any Dragon equipment YOURSELF. It doesn't matter if someone can buy any of it, it's the point that the original source that someone would have had to go to to get it originally required that someone to be a moderate or high level. As for the Dungeoneering requirement, that's basically what I said before - that Dungeoneering would either have the ability to get Dragon Defenders as a drop (as a token reward) OR unlock that dungeon with that Cyclops boss monster that drops them. But of course, it doesn't have to be tied in any way to Dungeoneering! And I think people just want it to be a quest reward so they can use a guide and click through dialogue and story and be done in 30 minutes and back to their stupid Slayer tasks. Give me a break.

Mongerer of panic of boots of climbing! Strength through chaos! Anyway, nice martyrdom. :) Now if it actually accomplished something, like a fix, or a beheading...

5 openings and far more productivity than I am normally capable of! :thumbsup:

I tried using CoG and fire surge on Bandos mages to very little effect. The safespot doesn't work anymore, either. Oh, strange... Magic worked okay for me, but if the safespot doesn't work anymore, it isn't worth it anyway. That's too bad too because now we have +45% we didn't have back then.

Wondering the same thing... Mostly wondering if I can get one in the Grand Exchange for mid or less.

You're right there... If defenders, halberds, maces, claws, ETC. were inventions of humans, why are there supposedly ancient versions of all these created by Dragonkin? Perhaps all the weaker metal versions are based off of the original designs of Dragon equipment. Oh. Thought process: Trying to think of plausible origin :arrow: Defenders originated from the East (hence current back story of normal defenders and "made in China" stickers) :arrow: Dragonkin made Dragonite equipment :arrow: Dragonkin must've designed defenders :arrow: Dragonkin must've designed all equipment ... Oh. Seems possible enough, but I'm not sure that was what you were looking for. Or they thought: 'That human weapon is really good! Let's make a dragon version!' :-k Thought there was something about humans not existing then or similar. Or that they were undeveloped. Or that the weapons were made in the other plane before being brought over. Anyway, it was just a thought. Don't wanna really debate about this. the dragonkin can time travel, prove me wrong Time travel requires 120 Magic and JaGEx isn't raising all skill caps till next year.

@Cptbaker's list You can certainly mage Warped Tortoises and profit, but you may be crashed easily. You can mage leather dragons and profit, as long as you pick up both hides and bones. Surprisingly, CoG (I used before Surges were introduced) was effective against Bandos Spiritual Mages. However, I don't know if you can still safespot them, so it may no longer be worthwhile in the least. Heh, you could turn this thread into a guide for others if all tasks test true.

Pun? :smile: Okay, I think I might have a slight solution: Freeze the Grand Exchange value of Rock Climbing Boots. If they can't fall, and they can't rise, and the value stays the same, which is significantly higher than the High Alchemy or selling amounts, those who have large amounts of them might use them as stable junk rather than liquidate them. They could become another currency in themselves, which is better than further destabilizing the "real" currency, Gold Pieces. Of course, there are simpler ways. Anyway, what do you guys think?

You're right there... If defenders, halberds, maces, claws, ETC. were inventions of humans, why are there supposedly ancient versions of all these created by Dragonkin? Perhaps all the weaker metal versions are based off of the original designs of Dragon equipment. Oh. Thought process: Trying to think of plausible origin :arrow: Defenders originated from the East (hence current back story of normal defenders and "made in China" stickers) :arrow: Dragonkin made Dragonite equipment :arrow: Dragonkin must've designed defenders :arrow: Dragonkin must've designed all equipment ... Oh. Seems possible enough, but I'm not sure that was what you were looking for. Or they thought: 'That human weapon is really good! Let's make a dragon version!' :-k Thought there was something about humans not existing then or similar. Or that they were undeveloped. Or that the weapons were made in the other plane before being brought over. Anyway, it was just a thought. Don't wanna really debate about this.

You're right there... If defenders, halberds, maces, claws, ETC. were inventions of humans, why are there supposedly ancient versions of all these created by Dragonkin? Perhaps all the weaker metal versions are based off of the original designs of Dragon equipment. Oh. Thought process: Trying to think of plausible origin :arrow: Defenders originated from the East (hence current back story of normal defenders and "made in China" stickers) :arrow: Dragonkin made Dragonite equipment :arrow: Dragonkin must've designed defenders :arrow: Dragonkin must've designed all equipment ... Oh. Seems possible enough, but I'm not sure that was what you were looking for.

The Mage prayer released as a Dung reward doesn't have any connection, same with some of the other rewards... I'm guessing it's because they think Jagex will try and get more people training Dung by putting it there as a reward. No one's saying that it has to be released as a Dungeoneering reward, just that Dungeoneering is an appropriate source. Plus, people who actually like Dungeoneering are aching to see the skill used or qualified somehow... Whatever the source is, it needs to be a bit more exclusive than just a mid level monster drop, and hopefully more instanced (two things which may contradict eachother). The Warriors' Guild was extremely crowded for a week or more, on all worlds. Nothing's wrong with some competition, but that was ridiculous.

Yup... TIF motto: Kick 'em while they're down! It's more efficient. Compare: AGS, obtainable in a lucky afternoon CLS, obtainable after about 40 hours, which is 40-80m with consistent methods and untold amounts with boss hunting I'm going to basically agree with everything Es0torrath has said. The design, well, rather sucks as far as rewards go. I feel that they should have ditched the token system and allowed players to choose between a few comparable options at certain levels. Perhaps they could keep the tokens to buy the rewards you didn't choose, or just allow for another level to allow you to choose again. And, of course, buy replacements for GP. These level 80 items are not just more valuable than other equipment, they take far longer to get. Anyone with these items is of course going to want to use them where it matters most. It's common sense that they should protect over lower-end gear that just takes luck to get. Anyway, sorry to hear that you lost your CiaLiS, Games. You'll be far less competitive without it... :( I don't know if they'll ever fix it, but it will probably be too late to help you anyway.

If you disconnect from a game, even if you have had 70% progress or 90% or 99%, you won't get the experience you deserv. That's why many dislikes it. There is also the cap of 120, which should never have been. Another reason: 10 hours weapon degrade - This is [bleep]ed up. It should be 24 hours. Well, they do recommend that you play in a team, but I'm not going to argue that it's unfair for those who like to solo. However, I've heard from a friend that there are reports that the equipment degrades much slower than is stated in the KB, and in fact up to 100 hours of use in single combat. Plus, even if it were only 10 hours, it's not like you're in combat the entire time. You'd be surprised about what 10 hours of actual combat really equates to.