Lord_Shalaj

--Old Info -- Please Ignore. Re posted current info ahead. Thanks, Lord Shalaj

I feel the need to add that Summoning's mechanics have made Runescape slightly more combat oriented. Of course, there are some good rewards for skillers, but the charms, and many of the seconds, require you to kill monsters. They do indeed, but then there are skills like Magic that require you to skill to train it. (crafting runes) Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

1) Summoning, in my opinion, has affected nearly all of the skills. While as you rightly mention that the Bunyip and Unicorn result in less demand for food, there are familiars which enhance non-combat skills, and enchance very well I might add. Granite Lobster, Arctic Bear, Compost Mound, Hydra, Abyssal familiars - You see, the list is big, and their abilities are too good. Again, with the Summoning update, both the sides got some pros to be happy about. 2) It may have, but each and every avid slayerer that I know uses potions. The main bonus that all the above items "stack" with the percentage of increase of potions and that makes potions even more worthwhile. The only thing that can beat the Slayer helm/mask + potions increase is slayer helm with a Steel Titan (or Iron Titan for a less increase), but unfortunately, that ability is only with under 1% of the RS players. :P 3) As mentioned, if the PvP worlds update turns out good, Herblore is not expected to remain a skill that gives loss if you do the primary task, i.e. making potions. 4) This I agree. Too many people crazy for a skillcape have spoiled the few profits out of the skills of Fletching and Cooking [may become a bit better with PvP, but I'm not going to count on it], but it does contain a few more good methods for the ones who want to make money, and if you seriously enjoy a skill, I say you don't worry about the gold pieces. It's about you having fun and enjoying yourself :) Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

I don't agree with the main content of the article. Before I explain why, you should be familiar with the phrase "You see what you expect to see" (phrased differently for my convienience :P) The option still exists, whether you would like to skill or kill. Just because the "killing" has been getting a few more updates than skilling, it doesn't mean the balance of the game is shifting. You say the updates to skilling have been minimal compared to combat, I say the few updates that have been added on many instances surpass the updates made to combat. Beacon Lighting - Firemaking had its title of being a "utterly useless" skill kicked out. Beacons also provide another alternative method of training firemaking which have provided decent xp if you do it properly. I see so many friends trying to get an Inferno Adze, and now Firemaking has a nice little use that definitely propels others to raise this once a useless skill. Has any combat skill been totally reborn as compared to Firemaking? This was an example. You say that the addition of God Wars, Mithril Dragons, new slayer rewards, Corporeal Beast have all encouraged people to stop skilling and start combat. Do skillers not get affected in a good way?!! These all brought an increase in price for food, potions, adamant bars,[And even gold bars at times for ring of slaying] bolts, arrows and crossbows. DOes this not help Fishing, Herblore, Smithing and Fletching? And you feel that skillers don't get updates? These two sides are totally linked and depend upon each other. Killers can't sustain without skillers and vice versa. If one side gets an update, it will affect the other, and each and every update has a positive point to view for both the sides. As I mentioned, you see what you expect to see. I see it a high time to make potions and then sell them for a profit when PvP comes out. Looks like skilling is better for the moment. But is that the point of view of each and every person here? Probably not. Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Glad I could help :) Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Frankly, I use the direct portal to the dagannoths. However, when I was editing the picture and making the route, I saw these portals were highlighted in blue. Not sure, but maybe they only unlock after Hunt for Surok? I just gave the route which I know was guarenteed to be open for all :), you could use the direct portal if you want to :) Thank you for your comments ;) Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Sorry for the double post, but edited and added the route to them :) Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

The charms count too. :) Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Sorry, I mixed up dagganoths in the Waterbirth and Chaos Tunnels. Sincere apologies :( Sir Hartlar, that was very kind :)..I hardly expected higher than that seeing that I kept it very brief without going into details ;) Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

There is still a lot of work to be done, which I hope will get done quickly :). [hide=Introduction]Keeping it very short and brief, It so happened that I received a Dagannoth task from Duradel (RIP) some months back. The Lighthouse Dagannoths had their own charm in the sense that they were the best slayer experience if cannoned. I, unfortunately was not a fan of the Dwarf Multi-cannon, and neither did huge crowds at the Lighthouse hold my fancy. So I thought of trying a different area. My first option was Waterbirth, but since it required a person to help you open the first door always along with the huge dungeon to cover to reach the particular room, and not forgetting the restriction from banking if necessary, I thought of trying out the Dagannoths in the Chaos Tunnels. The results amazed me, as these certain species of dagannoths have better drops, drop better charms, give more experience overall and are less crowded unlike its Lighthouse cousins.[/hide] [hide=Bestiary] Name: Dagannoth Race: Animal Level: 88 Hits: 85 Notes: "A spiney horror from the ocean depths..." These Dagannoths attack through range attacks, an animation which shows them pelting you with spines. These, unlike the Lighthouse Dagannoths, can hit extremely hard, with the hits going upto 20. It is possible to tank these, but you're much better off just praying throughout the task. Don't worry, you will come out with a profit in most cases. Drops: * Gold: 4-115 * 100%: Bones * Weapon: Mithril javelin(3), Fremennik blade * Armour: Farseer helm, Fremennik helm, Beserker helm, Warrior helm, Archer helm, Fremennik shield, Spined boots, Spined gloves, Fremennik capes, Fremennik gloves * Runes/Arrows: Steel arrows(5-25) * Misc: Flattened hide, Circular hide, Stretched hide, Casket, Herbs, Fremennik shirt(brown), Edible seaweed(2-5), Air talisman, Mind talisman, Water talisman, Fire talisman, Chaos talisman, Nature talisman, Cosmic talisman, Half key, Keg of beer, Seaweed(2-10),Tinderbox, Raw bass, Clue scroll(level 2) * Seeds: Poison ivy(1), Herb(1), * Charms(1): Gold, Green, Crimson, Blue Red: Should be picked. Yellow: Should be High-Alched. Green: Should be picked if you have inventory space. Blue: Should NOT be picked.[/hide] [hide=Route] Red - Path you follow Blue circle - The room containing the Dagannoths.[/hide] [hide=Inventory (Unfinished)]5 Prayer Potions - With 70 Prayer, I didn't need more than 5 prayer potions to kill off these 171 Dagganoths Super Set High Alching runes - essential Fighting Familiar - Since you'll be praying, healers are of no use. You could carry a beast of burden if needed, not recommended though. Lots of empty spaces - essential[/hide] [hide=Set up (unfinished)][Pictures coming soon] Helm: Slayer Helmet > Helm of Neitzinot > Proselyte helm Amulet: Amulet of Fury > God Stole > Amulet of Glory > Amulet of Strength Chest: Proselyte platebody > Bandos chestplate > Fighter Torso > Monk Robe Legs: Proselyte platelegs > Bandos Tassets > Monk Robes Boots: Dragon Boots > Rune Boots > Climbing Boots Weapon: Abyssal Whip = Godsword(??) = Dharoks (??) > Saradomin Sword(??) > Dragon Scimitar Shield: Rune Defender > Dragonfire Shield > Falador Shield (level 3) > God Book > Obsidian Shield Gloves: Barrows Gloves > Dragon Gloves > Rune Gloves Ring: Berserkers Ring OR Ring of Wealth > Warrior Ring > Ring of Life Cape: Fire cape > Skill Cape > Obsidian Cape. Equipment #1 Equipment #2 [/hide] [hide=Important drops]As you have already assumed, these Dagannoths have a plus point in the fact that your profit comes from various drops. It isn't limited to one rare drop like an Abyssal Whip (Abyssal Demons), Dragon Boots (Spirit Mages) or Dark Bow (Dark Beasts). Some of these are - Common [*]Fremennik Helm - Untradeable, High Alch these. (3,900 gp) [*]Fremennik Blade - Untradeable, Should be High Alched (3,000 gp). Don't get fooled into thinking you got a Godsword drop when you see it for the first time :oops: (Which I did :P) [*]Fremennik Shield - Untradeable, Should be High Alched (3,000 gp). [*]Grimy Ranarrs - These herbs help to pay back for your Prayer Potions. Uncommon Warrior Helm - Sell (53.6k) or High Alch (46.8k) Berserker Helm - Sell (77.5k). --- Don't High Alch --- Farseer Helm - Sell (53.6k) or High Alch (46.8k) Archer Helm - Sell (54.6k) or High Alch (46.8k)[/hide] [hide=GE Prices (2.4.2009)]Hides Dagannoth Hide - 3,631 gp Stretched Hide - 1,046 gp Circular Hide - 25,000 gp Flattened Hide - 1,606 gp Helms Warrior Helm - 53,600 gp Archer Helm - 54,600 gp Berserker Helm - 53,600 gp Farseer Helm - 77,500 gp Keys Loop half of key - 8,171 gp Tooth half of key - 44,200 gp[/hide] [hide=Trip result (highly unfinished)] Note: The inventory picture to the right is from the trial run. I left around 5 fremmenik helms (got like 6 in the 20 kills) on the ground as at that time I didn't bring alchs nor did I know their exact value. To the left is the inventory after I finished my task (all tradeable items in screen window and all untradeable alched which only left me with some money I forgot to put to price check and the charms) I used 1 prayer potion in the trial run, with 3.5 on the second run, which comes up to a total of 24.5k (roughly). You can count 2k-3k for the super set (Don't take a super defence, I had only taken for the trial run being ignorant of the attacking styles). And take another 4k for an Ice Titan Pouch. The total I spent was 31.5k. The money I received is 151k + the items in the inventory picture(had left some on ground). I received 38 Crimsons, 14 Gold, 11 Green, 1 Blue for 171 Dagannoths. The number of charms isn't that great, but compared to lighthouse dagannoths which mainly drop gold, I'm sure which one you would prefer. These often drop pieces of fremminik clothes like capes, gloves and shirts, leave them. Also leave the seaweed and the edible seaweed. Leave most of the herbs except ranarrs. These provide more slayer xp (85 hp), more combat xp than the light house ones. These can be easily cannoned as they pay for most of the cannonballs. For armour, I wore bandos with whip. I managed with 5 prayer potions with this set up. You could wear pray boosting armour to save more prayer pots than this if needed.[/hide] [hide=Video] Provided by SirHemen.[/hide] [hide=Familiars]~Smoke Devil Ability: Fights (level 101) - Magic, Right-click "Flames" (fire spell) Scroll: Deals up to 8 damage on 6 adjacent opponents Note: The above person lagged a bit, yet the Smoke Devil does hit in a similar fashion. Inventory - 3 prayer potions (24k) 1k smoke devil scrolls (177k) Total: 200k End result - 100k in stuff (hides, gear) 48k in alchs 44 crimson charms A few green charms A few blue charms Total: 148k Conclusion: Task completed in 25 minutes Approximately 50k loss ~Geyser Titan Ability: Fights (level 200) - Ranged Scroll: Attack that does more damage based on enemy's armour. ~Iron Titan Ability: Fights (level 220) - Defence Scroll: Its next attack will be three powerful melee attacks.[/hide] [hide=Tips (Unfinished)]~Always keep Auto-Retaliate On. ~Stretched, Flattened and Circular hides, along with 6 regular dagannoth hides, can be taken to Sigli the Huntsman to be made into Spined Armour for a fee. Sincere apologies if someone already posted this method.[/hide] [hide=Credits]1. Lord Shalaj (This person forced me to give him credit) 2. Tip.It - For pictures. 3. SirHemen - For input and video. 4. Pure Xman55 - For some useful information. 5. Chris 1216 - For information on Smoke Devils. 6. PikachuMayhem - For pictures.[/hide] Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

The fact that Saradominn Sword has stats just like the whip, the only exception being that it trains strength, I always expected it to drop below 5m. However, it would be better if it remains atleast above 2.5m regarding the difficulty in obtaining it as compared to the abyssal whip. Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Well My Arm's Adventure is very important for this route, as it gives a disease-free patch. Sure helps increase your profit. Fairy Tales gives Magic Secateurs as its reward, which lessens the percentage of death and gives more herbs. You can do these runs without it, but you'll make less money. I suggest you use the Secatuers. Edgar's Ruse is a pre-requisite quest for My Arm's Adventure. And you need the Trollheim teleport for faster access to the patch. Ghosts Ahoy gives you the ectophial. It isn't nescessary, but it saves a lot of time. You could use Kharyll Teleport as an alternative. And this guide took a fair amount of time to make :) Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Banking at Falador and running to patch from there wastes tons of time. You would be better using an Explorer's ring for direct teleport to the patch. As I said, the bank closest to tele with this method is Ardougne, which is why it falls right in the middle of your runs. :) Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Actually, if you did My Arm's Adventure, you will know anyway :) After you enter, go direct left. Keep going until you reach some stairs leading downwards, just north of the stairs is a door. Open it and head right. You will see a ladder, so climb it up. You will reach the roof with the patch to the north. Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Thanks for that. * I usually take an average of 10 minutes, but people do it faster, even better :) * The whole point of the Pack Yak is that you don't need to bank, so thats where you use skills necklace and explorer's ring (run recharges). * I would have used a skills necklace, but you see, I always need to bank. (unless my herbs had died). So I prefer banking and running from there. I also plant limps which take extra 3 spaces. Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Farming is what people call a boring skill. Some call it hard, some call it slow, the end result being Farming is one of the few skills hated by the majority. How wrong they are.. I can assure you, This will change your thoughts about the skill of Farming. Contents 1.0 FARMING WITH PROFIT 1.1 Introduction 1.2 About the guide 1.3 Requirements 1.4 Getting Started 1.5 Herbs and Flowers 1.5.1 Inventory 1.5.2 Route 1.5.3 Tips 1.6 Trees 2.0 THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO PLAY VINESWEEPER 2.1 Getting Started 2.2 Terms and Tips 2.3 The solutions to major Patterns! 2.4 Conclusion FARMING WITH PROFIT "Money grows on trees" =-=-=-=-=-= Introduction =-=-=-=-=-= Farming is a bit complex at the beginning. However, after a few runs, you'll easily get the hang of it. If you're a person who logs in randomly for short periods of time every day, then this is most definitely for you! Apart from getting tons of easy money, this will also help you get the Farming levels up, no longer making it one of your lowest. Herbs are your crux for farming with profit. You will make profit always if you follow this guide. The best part of farming is that you hardly do any work! You plant, the plant grows by itself and you go and take the herbs. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= About the guide =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= What this guide DOES teach you - ~ How to make tons of profit and xp with farming doing only 10% of the work. ~ The fastest way to complete runs, and also the most efficient route. ~ Why you should farm and how. ~ The most efficient way to play Vinesweeper. What this DOES NOT teach you - ~ How to start farming. ~ How to get maximum xp for farming. =-=-=-=-=-= Requirements =-=-=-=-=-= Quests required - ~ Eadgers Ruse ~ My arm's Big adventure ~ Ghosts Ahoy ~ Fairy Tales Part I Skills required - ~ 32+ Farming ~ 40+ Summoning ~ 40+ Defence (for running past trolls) ~ 47+ Agility (for using Trollheim shortcuts and also for terrorbird/bull ant scrolls) ~ All the skills for the above quests. Achievements needed - ~ Lumbridge diary 1, 2 and 3. ~ A basic knowledge of either Minesweeper or Vinesweeper. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Advantages/Disadvantages =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Pros of Farming ~ You can easily do any other skill with this. ~ Its fun! Cons of Farming ~ It may be slow xp for some people. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Getting Started =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This guide teaches you how to make profit with 3 types of plants - Herbs, Flowers and Trees. Your leprechaun should have - Firstly, before we begin, I strongly suggest you make a separate bank tab just for runs, which will contain the following things Herbs - The ones which you harvested. Seeds - Those for planting Ectophial - You will use this for your runs. Explorers Ring - You will use this for your runs. Baskets - You need this as payments to farmers for trees. Pineapples - For making supercompost. Axe - For cutting down your trees. Buckets - For collecting the super compost. Willow saplings - For planting. Baskets of cooking apples - For payment to farmers. Law tabs - So that you can runecraft your own laws. Willow branch - You will collect these. Tomatoes/Bananas - Payment incase you want to plant something else. Spirit Terrorbird and its scrolls - for using during runs. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Herbs and flowers =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= As mentioned, Herbs play a vital role in giving you profit and xp. All herbs do not of course. Lower farming leveled players would benefit from farming ranarrs while higher will from snapdragons. =-=-=-=-= Inventory =-=-=-=-= Herb seeds and Limpwurt seeds - For planting. Runes - For teleing to different patches. Ectophial and Explorer's ring - For teleing. Axe - For cutting down your trees Spirit Terrorbird scrolls and pouch - You will use them in your runs. If you are 32+ farming but below 62, then you will be planting Ranarrs. They are good xp for your level, but get low xp after a farming level of 55+. =-=-= Route =-=-= Route for people who have terrorbirds and explorer's ring. Trollheim 1. Tele to Trollheim, climb down using short cuts, run to the stronghold, run to the patch. 2. Take 3 buckets of supercompost and seed dibber, rake, secateurs and spade from the leprechaun. 3. Pick the herbs, use compost as it is believed it gets better yields on this disease free patch , plant a new seed. 4. Before teleing, store the empty bucket with the leprechaun and store all your yielded herbs into the terrorbird/bull ant. 5. Use explorer's ring for direct teleport to draynor patch. Draynor 1. Run north from the cabbage field and you will reach the patch. 2. Pick your limpwurts, use compost, plant seed. 3. Pick herbs, use compost, plant seed. 4. Store all your empty buckets with leprechaun and take out 2 more supercompost. 5. Teleport to Ardougne. Ardougne 1. If needed, then bank, Ardougne has the closest bank with this method which is why it comes in the middle of your runs. 2. After banking run east out of the ardougne wall, then run north. You will pass the Ardougne mining spot, keep going north and slight west. You will reach the patch. 3. Pick herbs, store in bird/ant, use compost and plant seed. 4. Pick limpwurts, use compost, plant seed. 5. Store your empty buckets with leprechaun and take out 2 more supercompost. 6. Use ectophial to tele to reach the ectofunctus. Ectofunctus 1. Refill your phial and keep going west, past the farm with undead cows and you'll see the patch. 2. Pick herbs, store in bird/ant, use compost and plant seed. 3. Pick limpwurts, use compost, plant seed. 4. Store your empty buckets with leprechaun and take out 2 more supercompost. 5. Teleport to Camelot. Catherby 1. Head west and then directly head south, you will reach the patch. 2. Pick herbs, store in bird/ant, use compost and plant seed. 3. Pick limpwurts, use compost, plant seed. 4. Go bank all your herbs and roots, and then take out 15 Buckets (or take from leprechaun) and 15 pineapples. Store all your pineapples in the bird to make space. 5. Open your compost bin, fill all the buckets with supercompost. 6. Store your compost with leprechaun then store pineapples in the compost bin and close the lid. ----- Route for people who don't use Explorer's ring will then put the patches in this order - 1. Trollheim 2. Ectofunctus 3. Draynor (Bank here as with glory this becomes the closest bank) 4. Ardougne (no need to bank now) 5. Catherby. =-=-= Tips =-=-= You will always keep Catherby last as this is the closest bank to a patch so this allotment is wear you make the super compost. I strongly suggest you make all the super compost yourself. 96+ Summoning players could use Pack yaks which totally make you require no banking at all. They have completed runs in 6 minutes using Pack yaks. If you're good, then each run would take less than 10 minutes. I take around 7-8 minutes for each which gives me an average of 125k+ profit. 125k profit for 10 minutes work.. Many people don't plant flowers, but I do because - ~ They help in Herblore ~ They extend you profit by a great amount for something so easy. ~ They increase your xp, though slightly. Trees. As of today, there is only one tree that gives profit - Willow. Willow trees can yield upto 6 branches each which bring you more profit and pay for the seeds as well. However you have 2 options. 1. Either you take the branches from the same trees round, thus extending your profit by 20k higher each and every round! 2. You can plant willow trees after every 3 days so you have collected enough branches to pay for the seeds. This method gives you an extra 16k farming xp every week but it it doesn't give you any profit. (does'nt give loss too.) Willow seed: 4k Willow tree branch: 892 gp each Each tree yields 6 branches, which is: 892 x 6 = 5.3k But if you keep taking branches from the same trees, you make an extra profit of 21k each run. Inventory should contain - 1. Runes for Falador, varrock, Lumbride teleports. 2. Magic Secatuers 3. Terrorbird scrolls and pouches. Route 1. Teleport to Lumbridge, run west of the Lumbridge guide to the patch, cut your branches, teleport to falador. 2. Run west into the Falador park to the patch, cut your branches, teleport to Varrock 3. Run north into the varrock Castle Courtyard, cut your branches, then run west into the grand exchange. 4. Use the Spirit Tree network to teleport to the Gnome Stronghold, run southwest to the patch. After cutting your branches, you can choose to use the Lletya tree patch if you wish. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= What to do while crops grow =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This is one of the best things of Farming. It allows you to carry on with another skill, task, game. Some of the things which you can do are - ~ Do a slayer task This goes well with the crops as most of the slayer tasks don't take more than 90 minutes (some do). ~ Craft the runes needed for your runs and prepare all the items like pineapples, baskets of apples etc. ~ Train any skill you feel like training, also herblore with the herbs you harvested ~ Log out and come back later! ~ Play Vinesweeper for maximum efficiency. I hope this helped, any doubts, please hold them for the end of my Vinesweeper guide just below. Finally, some pictures to show the profit and yield - Profit from batch 1 Total - =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Note on Deaths =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You will have to learn to expect them, you will still make profit always. As you go higher, you get less deaths and higher yields from herbs. There are percentages that show the amount of deaths per 10 seeds, but I won't bring them here. Just bring a positive approach each run! :) THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO PLAY VINESWEEPER =-=-=-=-=-=-= Introduction =-=-=-=-=-=-= Vinesweeper is easy to understand, easy to play and a moderate stage for farming xp. It is best played ALONE. Yes, alone. Playing with others has a lot of negative aspects as compared to when you do it alone. This doesn't mean you take an empty world. Play on the Vinesweeper world but away from the crowd. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Getting Started =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Note: This guide doesn't and won't explain how to start playing Vinesweeper. If its your first time there then, I suggest that you first play the famous game Minesweeper avalaible on your computer for better understanding. Also, there are 3 signs at the minigame in runescape that will help you out. For Vinesweeper, you only need - ~ Spade ~ Coins (Take 50k for safety, but you follow this guide, you will use no money) Familiars and Pets are not allowed. It is advisable that you only play vinesweeper after planting crops, so it increases your efficiency. Also although vinesweeper combined with herbs, flowers and trees is the fastest way to farm currently, the mini game in itself doesn't give you profit, in fact the xp it gives reduces the xp you could get with herbs and make more money of course, But only herbs to farm is slow xp, so with Vinesweeper, you'll still be able to make above 140-150M+ money if you go for 99 Farming. (A certain player only farmed snapdragons and limps for 9 months, he started at 63 Farming, and after 9 months he was at 93 Farming and had made 115m money. He chose to make pots from that though.) You can start Vinesweeper from any of the Leprechauns People think that Vinesweeper is all about numbers hence it is not for those who are weak with maths. This is not true! With my guide, if you just keep an eye out for certain patterns, you will surely get the points! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Terms and Tips =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Terms Cascade - A cascade is when you open up a large area on empty spots surrounded on the border by numbers. These are your crux to finding seeds. Flag - A flag is used to mark where a seed is. Pattern - You will face numerous patterns of numbers like 1`,1,1 or 1,2,1 etc. Tips ~ Always take your own separate patch. ~ Clear the area from rabbits by feeding them ogleroots ALWAYS! Don't wait for them to head to your flag because if they do, your flag is gone. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Solutions to all major Patterns! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Cascades are mostly found at edges. But digging near the edges would mean you would be in close proximity to rabbit holes which is not at all desirable. So it is advised to dig near the fences surrounding the house. Key to Patterns - F - Flagged spot X - Spot which hasn't be dug or Flagged 1,2,3 - Numbers S - seed which has been dug up. _ - Empty spot (comes with cascades) --- - Fence Pattern 1 - 1 1 1 1 X 1 1 1 1 This is the easiest of patterns and definitely the spot at the centre is to be flagged. At times you can get this pattern halfway like ----- 1 X 1 1 1 1 Almost the same. The answers are - 1 1 1 1 F 1 1 1 1 ----- 1 F 1 1 1 1 Pattern 2 - --------------------- 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 X X X X X X X X X X X Occasionaly when you dig at the fences, you will get a series of 1s. The answer is simple. The seeds in this area are at a distance of 2 holes away from each other. So that means if you know where the first seed is, you can then find upto 5-6 more seeds. So I strongly suggest you start digging up from the first seed to find the starting seed. So your first step will be - ----------------------- 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 X X X X X X X X X X X Incase the first spot is a one, you dig the next spot ----------------------- 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 X X X X X X X X X X Now remember what I said, all seeds in this pattern are at a distance of 2 spots each, so it means that the third spot contains a seed and now you can find upto 3-4 seeds using the pattern. So you will flag all these spots - ----------------------- 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 F X X F X X F X X F Now incase you think that what if the seed was there in the first 2 spots? I still say you dig them up to know which was the starting seed. You lose 10 points if you dig up a seed, but around 75-150 points if you flag one. You lose 10 points on the first seed but make around 400-500 on this pattern. Pattern 3 - ----- 2 3 2 X X X I've seen people digging up a pattern like this and then saying ":/" or "aww, bad one". Those guys are missing like 300 points here. Simple flag all the 3 spots, they all contain seeds. ----- 2 3 2 F F F Pattern 4 - ------- 1 2 2 1 X X X X This is another one people leave, as they don't understand the pattern. Simply flag both the 2s. ------- 1 2 2 1 X F F X Pattern 5 - The most common pattern is the kind which comes with cascades. Any number formation which forms an "L" which the angle open to the exterior of the cascade has a seed. A litte hard definition, so I'll provide pics and patterns - 1 1 1 1 X X X X 1 _ _ 1 X X X X 1 _ _ 1 1 1 1 X 1 _ _ _ _ _ 1 X 1 1 1 1 1 1 X You see the "L" in the formation? The most important thing to note is that the "L" should be "open" to the outside, so the spot directly diagonal has a seed - 1 1 1 1 X X X X 1 _ _ 1 F X X X 1 _ _ 1 1 1 1 X 1 _ _ _ _ _ 1 X 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 X If the pattern is like this - 1 1 1 1 1 _ _ 1 1 1 1 1 You could say there are 4 "L's in this, but they face the inside of the cascade so they don't contain a seed. ----------- Always clear the area from rabbits. Buy atleast 10 ogle roots in the beginning, you'll keep getting more while you dig. =-=-=-=-=-= Conclusion =-=-=-=-=-= Following my guide, you can make from 15k-30k xp/hour with only Vinesweeper (not adding herb runs), so that means 1 hour of vinesweeper is nearly equal to around 6 herbs trips which take like 8 hours to grow. This guide took me 4 days to write, and 2 weeks to collect data. Hope its useful. Now that I have finished my longest guide ever (took tons of effort), I'll be taking a break from making guides (depending on the response I get on this one, I may entirely stop too). =-=-=-= Credits =-=-=-= 1. Lord Shalaj [ Didn't want to give him credit, but he forced me to] 2. Iron Faery - I cannot honestly have gained so much knowledge about the farming methods if it was not for this person. She, among few others, are the true masters of the skill of Farming. 3. Pure Xman55 - For clearing my queries and showing me the fastest route for herb runs. 4. Max2129 - For the price checks Thank you :D

So currently, they aren't good for chinning? Edit: Try as I might, I can't get more than 4-5, what am I doing wrong? From each bone spawns 1 monkey and sometimes they turn into a pile of burning bones. Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Is Ape Atoll still efficient for Chinning? And also, how exactly do the skeleton monkeys multiply? What spot etc. Thanks! ~Lord Shalaj

Nooo Brunokiller!! :evil: :( Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Surprisingly, even after getting all 99s, people don't stop to rest :) ~Lord Shalaj

I've heard people telling the 3 titans at 79 summoning have a good healing impact, I want to know a) their effectiveness compared to bunyip normally B) effectiveness compared to bunyip in areas where the titans fight too, i.e. the chaos tunnels. c) Can these be used in Duel Tournaments to heal in "No food" duels? Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Your welcome :) Thanks for your view on this topic. ~Lord Shalaj

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mod Poppy Jagex Mod 14-Jul-2008 20:07:36 Last edited on 14-Jul-2008 20:08:34 by Mod Poppy Surely if people are asking for money for this service, it is trust trading? There is no guarantee that when you pay someone, they will lend you the item, or the other way around. As with other trust trades, asking money for this 'service' is against the rules. Item lending was introduced due to the huge number of players upset that they couldn't help out their friends by sharing their cool armour. It certainly isn't intended for high level players to profit from their wealth. ----- Doubts cleared? Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

Darkdude98, While your suggestion is highly interesting, thats quite not the topic I wanted to discuss :) Don't get me wrong, the idea is fantastic! Thanks.. Lord Shalaj

- Junkmutt(rs player) The title probably, gave you an inkling on what I'm going to talk about. I'm asking you to take a simple test. Think back for a while, when you were a low leveled player, how it felt when you upgraded to Rune Scimitar? Or when you pked your first kill? Or when you got the message "You can now cut yew trees". Now compare it to today. What do you do if - You get upgraded to use a GodSword? You pk someone? You raised a mining level so you can mine rune? Yes, the answer you'll say is that you were equally happy. But, search inside you, and get that answer, and it will come involuntarily from your mouth - You definitely had more fun when you were a low leveled. Everything was new, you kept discovering something. Now, its only a burden. We train to kill better at God Wars, to race our friends but not for personal satisfaction! I definitely felt happier when I reached 40 strength than when I reached 90. Maybe 99 will be a different story? - A Local Guy (Rs player) - [i know you're bored of seeing your own quote everywhere :P ] Exactly as his words. Probably a bit more. Isn't this the reason we make secondary accounts? Just to get back some fun? I had trained my account with so much fun, and had a main goal of completing Dragon Slayer. Each day, I enjoyed my work. The day I finished Dragon Slayer, I felt as the King of the World! But today, even after completing hard quests that are far more rewarding than Dragon Slayer, after achieving levels far more better than 40 strength, , it fails to rekindle that old, smouldering flames of joy inside me, that once used to flare up quickly. - Eki Boy Thanks.. Lord Shalaj