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Just as an aside, if you're burning all the logs you chop, you'll be much better off with teaks. They're faster experience in woodcutting and in firemaking than maples, or any other tree for that matter.

QFT. "Getting 99 cooking just for the cape" is no n00bier than "Getting 19m just for the red h'ween mask."

How exactly did you come up with these so-called "averages"? You just made them up. What are you basing this on, exactly? The plural of anecdote is not data. :ugeek: Well then. Combat skills are waaaaaay n00bier than fletching, cooking, or firemaking. ;)

Are you saying having a low total level with a skillcape is worse than having a low total level without a skillcape? That's dumb. I think what you're saying is that no skillcape is worthy of respect on its own, in which cooking, fletching, and firemaking aren't unique in any meaningful way. :notalk:

Summoning. Should be an easy choice tbh. You can get 400k xp in prayer or construction in like 2 hours just by laying down some cash whenever. Summoning experience is a lot harder to get. A lot harder to get. Go with summoning. Or if not summoning, then slayer.

Uh...that's not actually true. #-o You should take firemaking off your list, then. It takes full concentration too. That's not at all unique to those three skills. Almost every skill is like that--after all, all it really takes to get 99 in any skill is a lot of grinding, with very few exceptions. I can agree with you on firemaking, since burning maple logs is almost universally the best method for training, unless you're pretty rich. But there are a lot of choices for cooking or fletching as to how to train, not to mention the buying and selling involved, which means you need to watch the market to some degree. The real brainless skills are more like agility. There's no money involved at all in agility--no input, no output. All you need to consider is how fast you train, which means for anyone going for 99, there's really only one method to choose from: the fastest one. But with cooking, and to a lesser degree fletching, anytime you get faster, you also spend more money. You need to do some thinking if you want to find the method that's best for you. Having 99 in a skill doesn't mean you're an expert at the skill, it just means you trained it a lot. I know a great deal of 99 fishers who are totally clueless about how to train fishing. Same with woodcutting. I've seen 99 woodcutters recommend maple trees for training. That is n00by. In this you are correct, then, in pointing out that having a skillcape does not imply intelligence. Your error is in suggesting that it implies n00biness. I will acknowledge that a subset of players with 99 cooking got 99 cooking because they saw it as an "easy" skillcape. But it's wrong to assume that all cooking skillcapers are n00bs, just as it is wrong to assume that all woodcutting skillcapers know everything about woodcutting. People need to be given the benefit of the doubt, and if you automatically peg someone with an untrimmed fletching cape as a fool, then you're the one who's a n00b. :shame: You need to explore the reasons for your prejudice, and if you can't find any good ones, then you need to throw that prejudice away. Players should be judged based on what they say...not based on what they wear. If the person with 99 firemaking tells you they burned willow logs all the way and they're proud of it, then you can peg them as n00by. But until then, how do you know they didn't have it since before skillcapes were released and they've always loved the skill on its own merits? How do you know they aren't in the top 100 firemakers in the hiscores with enough xp to get 99 three times over? How do you know they didn't get the cape months and months ago when they had the n00by attitude we've discussed, and have since shed their n00biness with experience and decided not to go for another 99? Most importantly, how do you know they don't just like training firemaking? You might be surprised at how many players who do. It's not fair to generalize. A firemaking skillcape doesn't mean a player is an expert, nor does it mean a player is a n00b. It simply means the player has 13,034,431 or more experience in firemaking.

Most common: Strength Least useful: Herblore/Farming/Slayer/Smithing/Construction/Fishing/Woodcutting/Firemaking/etc. Fastest to obtain: Thieving/Cooking Least effort to obtain: Fishing/Woodcutting Consider. Fletching isn't in ANY of these. Firemaking is only in "Least useful," and it's tied with herblore and construction and farming, which I believe several have said they do respect. (In contrast, cooking actually is useful--it can make 300-400k gp/hr, which is more than most skills.) Cooking falls only under the fastest, and yet it's more expensive than thieving with less xp/hr, but somehow thieving never seems to make it on the list of so-called "n00b skillcapes." These criteria don't support your claim at all. Even if you worked under some kind of composite system, ranking skills based on a combination of these factors, these three skillcapes that are so disdained probably wouldn't even occupy the top three slots.

and thats to the fact that most ppl go for fletch/fm/cook as their first 99s Showing, obviously, that the person in question does want to work for their 99, or else they wouldn't go and train it. :wall: Remind me again of your criterion as to WHY cooking, fletching, and firemaking are the only 3 "n00b capes."

You realize how many weeks that would take? And you think that's easy? :shock:

I know that Jad's been killed with no prayer and only rings of recoil, and I know that Jad's been killed in 15 seconds. Those are the records, I think.

the party hat serves a purpose, and that is that you can make enough money in rs to afford one. the getting of a skill just for a 99/cape serves no purpose but to show how lame you are, getting a noob 99 because you want a cape and dont want to actually work for a good one in a skill u truly enjoy. The purpose of a party hat is to show you have enough money to buy one? Uh, no...because your having the party hat means you no longer have that much money, because you spent it on a party hat. And party hats are tanking in value, so it means you're losing money too. Oh, and with the release of lending, it doesn't even show that you're rich anymore, because you could just as easily have borrowed it. Skillcapes can't be lent. Anyway, if the purpose of a party hat is to show you have 100m, the purpose of a skillcape is to show you have 13m experience. Duh. The difference is that the skillcape also happens to have the highest prayer bonus of any cape in the game and the second-best defensive stats, whereas the party hat has no useful function at all. :ugeek: And would you tell me how a skillcape shows that you don't want to work to get 99 in a skill? Because I would have assumed it meant exactly the opposite. :roll:

The irony. :lol: Sorry. Anyway, setting goals and achieving them has its appeal too. Fun is subjective.

Sour grapes. :roll:

How about 99 attack, strength, defence, ranged, magic, prayer, and summoning, all at 10 hp? Now THAT would be something, eh? It's possible without using genies too.

Well then. By your standard it's not just fletching and cooking and firemaking capes you disrespect. It's the reason behind getting them. You don't like people who get skillcapes just to have skillcapes. But you know what? Almost all the skillcapes you see were obtained just for the sake of getting a skillcape. You know the easy way to tell? Go to that person's hiscores. Find their xp in that skill. If they stopped at 13m, then there you go. If they didn't, you don't have any right to bash them, because it means they weren't in it just for the cape and they trained it past 99. This applies for any skill. So you don't have any real reason for singling out those three skills. Why are you willing to give the runecrafter the benefit of the doubt but not the firemaker? If the runecrafter's purpose was to get money, they wouldn't need to spend twice as long on the skill; they could just stop at 91. The only reason to get the extra 6.5m exp is for the cape, so if they got 99, the chance they did it just for the cape is even better than the chance that the firemaker did it just for the cape, right?

99 summoning cannot be achieved at level 3 combat. actually with much money and exp lamps its not a problem ... It gives combat levels. Just go to a f2p world. Anyway, I forgot to mention the skills without 200m xp'ers yet. -HP -Prayer -Magic -Mining -Agility -Slayer -Farming -Runecrafting -Construction -Summoning Some of them are pretty close, and some of them are a long way off. We'll see. [/hide]P2P combat is what matters. Point is that you can be level 3 combat with a summoning skillcape. The world you're in isn't important.

Even with 99 woodcutting you can only get around 120 magic logs/hr. It's not worth your time.

99 summoning cannot be achieved at level 3 combat. actually with much money and exp lamps its not a problem ... It gives combat levels. Just go to a f2p world. Anyway, I forgot to mention the skills without 200m xp'ers yet. -HP -Prayer -Magic -Mining -Agility -Slayer -Farming -Runecrafting -Construction -Summoning Some of them are pretty close, and some of them are a long way off. We'll see.

Fine. You bash cooking, but if your criterion is how much it's worth your time, why would you respect fishing more than cooking? Why would you respect thieving more than cooking? Why would you respect agility more than cooking? Why would you respect mining more than cooking? What makes those other skills worth it that cooking doesn't have?

I believe we still have yet to see the level 3 with a summoning cape. Oh, and of course the level 3 with the slayer cape.

Thats the whole point, I'm GLAD I havent wasted so much time just to have a 99. If i'd laugh with you but I have one myself, that'd be lame, moreso than not having 99 fletching. It's a waste of time to get 99 in a skill...so you'd laugh just as hard if not harder at people who get 99 runecrafting, or slayer, or farming, or agility, or fishing, or mining, or construction? Those are even bigger wastes of time, since they take longer to get, right? So in a way, fletching is much less n00by than those skills? [/hide] No cause when wasting time on these skills you get something back. Respect, money, ... With fletching nothing... What do you get for 90-99 slayer then, some secret level 99 slayer monster I don't know about? What do you get for 85-99 farming if it doesn't make your crops grow any better? What do you get for 99 fishing or woodcutting, the ability to make money slowly? And 99 construction--how often are you really going to use that dungeon? Way I see it, getting 99 in those skills is an even bigger waste of time than fletching by your criteria.

Thats the whole point, I'm GLAD I havent wasted so much time just to have a 99. If i'd laugh with you but I have one myself, that'd be lame, moreso than not having 99 fletching. It's a waste of time to get 99 in a skill...so you'd laugh just as hard if not harder at people who get 99 runecrafting, or slayer, or farming, or agility, or fishing, or mining, or construction? Those are even bigger wastes of time, since they take longer to get, right? So in a way, fletching is much less n00by than those skills?

Yes you can, as a matter of fact.

You don't need to have owned one before. I got a giant pouch from him and I'd never had one.

Luck is on your side, for I happen to have a spreadsheet of herb profits. Feast your eyes. Toadflax is currently the most profitable herb, followed by snapdragon and ranarr, and then kwuarm.