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Saru, are you going to continue making a point, having Tryto effectively debunk it, then ignore his response? Sorry poster above - your avatar made me assume. I don't know why you even bother because you're a bloody genius and everyone else is a dumbass! :roll:

Me, or someone else? Pretty sure she meant the person who posted just before.

Solitary confinement is just barbaric. It won't teach them anything at all. Also, I had no idea the U.S. tortures POW's like that. I find that mildly amusing. It will teach them that certain activities are absolutely NOT tolerated. That should be enough. Well, except in the case of people who take pride from their chosen atrocity. Those require a somewhat more permanent reaction. And yes, some segments of the U.S. military do this to POWs. This is a very sad development, but such is the way of a Republican presidency. -.- What if it drove people so insane that they felt they needed to get revenge for their punishment?

How does being for lower taxes mean I don't care about children? I don't want to force anybody to raise any child. Just not let them kill it. anyone can walk in into a fire station, police station, or hospital and just dump any unwanted kid no questions asked. With that I see no reason for killing the baby. Yes, I agree. We need millions and millions of children in foster homes. The State should be forced to take care of kids that people were forced to give birth to. We should spend billions of taxpayer dollars on it as well. :roll: Oh, and please stop shoving your flawed vocabulary down everybody's throats. Abortion should be called abortion, not "killing babies" or "murder."

Solitary confinement is just barbaric. It won't teach them anything at all. Also, I had no idea the U.S. tortures POW's like that. I find that mildly amusing. On another note, I think our current justice system works pretty well. Even though I'm about as socially liberal as you can get, I believe rehabilitation is a load of crap. Harsh punishment keeps people from doing things. P.S. Victim's rights!

I know, but it was fairly obvious he was mocking what I said. Actually, no I wasn't. I was mocking the [developmentally delayed] forms of justification some Christians on this thread use for their views. The fact that Sly hasn't come up with one valid reason why homosexuals can't be married yet is evidential. All he's doing is persisting they don't have that right (in spite of contradictory Supreme Court rulings, and the UN Declaration of Human Rights), while failing to put forward even a single strong argument against homosexual marriage. In fact, implicitly what he's arguing is that because marriage is a social institution, and homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, homosexuals are detrimental to society. You, on the other hand, have plenty of justification for saying they can be married. See the point? Yes, thank you. Sorry for misinterpreting what you said. Also, warren211 -- despite my disagreeing with you on the morality of homosexuality -- I agree with you on the persecution issue. However, many a Christian would argue that with with gay marriage being legalized, a lot more people would see being homosexual as not a bad thing anymore. According to a Christian, they would "choose" to be gay more often. (I am totally against the belief that someone "chooses" to like girls or boys). [/hide] Fact: 50% of the girls in my school are homosexual. Another fact: 99% of them aren't actually [bleep]. It's really sad While I can't speak for the girls at your school, whether they're doing that for attention or whatever, but determining one's sexuality is a lot more difficult for girls. It's simple for guys; they're either turned on by girls or guys, but girls become aroused by gay or straight sex, regardless of their orientation. Couple that with being a teen and it can lead to a very confusing time. Lol, really? I didn't know that. I don't believe it tbh. You're turned on by all sex?

Well we can float because we have air inside us while glass plates don't but we will sink given enough time in the water (and a while after we die). Plus, floating has nothing to do with weight.

Murder: the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder). The law of the United States does not consider abortion murder therefore abortion is not murder. Quit being a pompous [wagon].

I saw this guy at a supermarket last Saturday with the red dot of a sniper rifle on his back. I grabbed his shoulder and told him, "Be careful, son." I think my standing in front of him stopped the sniper from firing.

God is Omnimax, according to the bible. He knows everything that will ever happen and has happened, and can do absolutely anything. Despite this, he created humanity, KNOWING that they would be seduced by a serpent. He created the serpent, KNOWING that it would seduce Eve. He created the tree of knowledge, KNOWING that it would be eaten despite his telling man not to(This is still ridiculous, as since humanity at this time has no knowledge of good or evil, and thus doesn't know that eating the apple is bad. "God told them so" is not a good reason). So, I come to the conclusion, that should he exist, he deliberately inflicted these "scars" upon you, on purpose, in full knowledge. That is, of course, if he existed, which based on this is not logical. If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able? Then he is not omnipotent, directly contradicting the bible. If he is able, but not willing? Then he is evil, as he allows evil to happen even though he could easily stop it, as well as CREATING that evil, in the FULL KNOWLEDGE that it would be evil. If he is able and willing? Then evil should not exist. If he isn't able or willing? Then he's not God. ~Epicurus. Just as an aside, there is no mention in the bible whatsoever of the serpent being Satan. Not at all. Also, to that quote: God can prevent evil, but he does not want too, this in no way makes him evil. He decides that until we mess up and learn for ourselves, we'll never get it right. He could save us from everythingand anything, but he wants us to do it ourselves. Just like if your parents make you do something you haven't done, but they coud easily do, they usually (not counting the parents who are just lazy :XD: ) so the child can learn how to do it right, sure they may mess up, but they'll get it right. And naturally be mad at the parents because the parents made them do it, instead of doing it themsleves. But the parents know that when the Child gets out into the real world, they'll have to do things for themselves. God is like the parents, he could get rid of evil, but nothing would be accomplished, people would re create it. Or, God COULD make us all slaves to him, but then we'd HAVE to worship him. In my opinion, I think that he wants people to come to him and worship him. He doesn't want to force people, but I could be wrong. And also, he never created evil, in that sense, evil will always exist unless he makes us mindless robots. Which he won't do. Except this analogy is terrible. The kid messes up but gets another chance and isn't punished drastically. On the other hand, if you die while not believing in the right God or gods, you are punished forever and get no second chance. You can't even tell God that now that you have proof he exists, you'll believe in him. But apparently humans only get one chance to make the right choice. And God already knows which choice we're going to make...

Pretty wicked, but it really isn't that much harder than getting 99 slayer regularly. 10/10 anyways!

Bad first 99, but a 99 nonetheless! 6/10

Nice, always good to have the best cape in the game. 8/10 Jad is still very difficult!

HOLY [cabbage] WHAT AN AMAZING PARTY WHY WASN'T I INVITED THIS IS MADNESS 0/10

This topic doesn't really have anything to do with the actual Runescape game, therefore it belongs in off-topic. Plus, even if you don't play Runescape anymore, these forums are almost entirely about Runescape. You can't go to the World of Warcraft off-topic forums and expect to not hear of WoW anymore. After all, there's a logo of the game at the top of the page.

By jove you're right! You should set about to make a video straight away, I guarantee it will become extremely popular. What's sad is this is absolutely true. People would be eager to believe that. -.-

I can see it. I understand it. If that's how you feel, then good for you. You win an internet or two. As for me? I feel the same way. We're on the same side of the table, only I understand that everyone chooses their own table. I agree on that. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. Who is to say which one is really "better"? It's a basic human necessity to aim to feel satisfied and reassured, and religion does fulfill that purpose. It just depends on what you think is more important in your life - being happy or being right. I don't care if someone is religious. If it only made them happy, that would be fine. It really doesn't effect the advancement of society as a whole (unless you count the amount of time people waste every Sunday). The problem is when someone's religion effects everyone else in society. Religion is almost always the main reason why people are against same-sex marriage and abortion. When these issues are only issues mostly because of religion, we've got a problem.

No, none of them do, but most of them know I play World of Warcraft. They'd make fun of me for playing a children's game if they knew I played Runescape.

I know, but it was fairly obvious he was mocking what I said. Actually, no I wasn't. I was mocking the [developmentally delayed] forms of justification some Christians on this thread use for their views. The fact that Sly hasn't come up with one valid reason why homosexuals can't be married yet is evidential. All he's doing is persisting they don't have that right (in spite of contradictory Supreme Court rulings, and the UN Declaration of Human Rights), while failing to put forward even a single strong argument against homosexual marriage. In fact, implicitly what he's arguing is that because marriage is a social institution, and homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, homosexuals are detrimental to society. You, on the other hand, have plenty of justification for saying they can be married. See the point? Yes, thank you. Sorry for misinterpreting what you said. Also, warren211 -- despite my disagreeing with you on the morality of homosexuality -- I agree with you on the persecution issue. However, many a Christian would argue that with with gay marriage being legalized, a lot more people would see being homosexual as not a bad thing anymore. According to a Christian, they would "choose" to be gay more often. (I am totally against the belief that someone "chooses" to like girls or boys).

So. You believe that God does know everything that will happen. You're forgetting the creation part. God creates atheists, knowing that they will be atheists, and then decides to throw them in hellfire. God creates diseases, war, and murder, on purpose, to hurt you. God is a mentally challenged eight year old, playing with bugs and then punishing them for doing what he sentenced them to do perfectly conscious of what they would do. Humanity made the correct choices? Let's take the bible. God created the Isrealites knowing that they would follow idolatrous gods, then punished them for doing that. God created adam and eve, knowing that they would eat the "evil" apple and he would have to punish them for it. God created Job, knowing that he would punish him and his family for no reason other than a petty disagreement with Satan, and created Satan knowing that he would cause the fall of man, if you believe he was the serpent. Face it. With an omniscient, omnipotent god, there can be no free will. He knows everything that will happen. Everything is preordained. I never mentioned the creation part on purpose. It does not apply. Once God originally created everything, the possibilities were open. He saw and sees all those possibilities, but leaves humans to make choices that affect which ones actually occur. He may have a hand in everyone's creation, but that doesn't mean he forces them down a certain path, even if he has a path he wishes they would take. I never said humanity made the correct choices, I only said that God had faith they would make them. They didn't, hence the punishment. God does not make Atheists, they choose to become them. To be omniscient, you don't have to know everything that will happen, only everything that can happen (which is far more impressive). To be certain, God can interfere if and when he wants to, as with Job, but that's the point now, isn't it? Couple things -- 1) All humans are born atheist. They only become Christians because of fellow humans. You would never have become a Christian if the word of human beings hadn't told you there was a God. In other words, God never told you he exists. Humans did. 2) God is all-knowing. He can't not know what people will choose. The way you describe it makes God something that sees all possible futures yet is surprised that one of those futures is chosen by humans instead of another one. That is not God.

God is Omnimax, according to the bible. He knows everything that will ever happen and has happened, and can do absolutely anything. Despite this, he created humanity, KNOWING that they would be seduced by a serpent. He created the serpent, KNOWING that it would seduce Eve. He created the tree of knowledge, KNOWING that it would be eaten despite his telling man not to(This is still ridiculous, as since humanity at this time has no knowledge of good or evil, and thus doesn't know that eating the apple is bad. "God told them so" is not a good reason). So, I come to the conclusion, that should he exist, he deliberately inflicted these "scars" upon you, on purpose, in full knowledge. That is, of course, if he existed, which based on this is not logical. If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able? Then he is not omnipotent, directly contradicting the bible. If he is able, but not willing? Then he is evil, as he allows evil to happen even though he could easily stop it, as well as CREATING that evil, in the FULL KNOWLEDGE that it would be evil. If he is able and willing? Then evil should not exist. If he isn't able or willing? Then he's not God. ~Epicurus. Just as an aside, there is no mention in the bible whatsoever of the serpent being Satan. Not at all. I've seen this quote a million times and there is still is no possible way to dispute it. Good luck to anyone who attempts.

My god, that is EPIC. 10/10 :lol: :lol:

I know, but it was fairly obvious he was mocking what I said.

Yes, but as we all know, Atheists are more likely to commit suicide as a result of a divorce, stupid. Just accept marriage and homosexuality is wrong 'coz God says so. It makes perfect sense. If you say otherwise, you're just persecuting people who follow God. It doesn't make sense at all. God, according to Christians, gave us free will for a reason. Just because your fairy tale God tells you to believe something doesn't mean a large sector of the human population should suffer discrimination. Oh, and yes, I am persecuting people for believing in God. A real all-loving God wouldn't have created gay people who are automatically guarenteed to eternity in hell. I think you need to take your sarcasm meter in for some repairs. Unbiased proof that atheists get divorced less than Christians. THIS WAS DONE BY AN EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION. http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistfami ... ivorce.htm Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS1e2pTCIuU I can back up what I say.

That was beautiful. Honestly, probably the best description of God I've ever heard. I'm saving this. Huh? It was a very typical post generalizing creationists and atheists into just two groups. Just because the thought of a God makes you comfortable and happy should not be the basis of belief. Interestingly enough, I do not believe in God. Furthermore, one's basis for belief in God can be whatever they choose. If I want to believe in God because I feel that he gave us delicious bacon to eat, then so be it. And that's a damn good reason. It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan If you can't see why this is I cannot help you.