[hide]Looking back at your previous posts, I think I understand. Quick question to be sure: Are you still in the second puzzle area? That is, have you only killed one machine so far? If so, the avatar doesn't appear in that room. You said you solved the water puzzle and the machine is still working in that area? Then you probably didn't solve the water puzzle. You need all three lines flowing into the machine.[/hide] OOOOOOOO that explains a lot... I went all over the place looking for the roots and couldn't find them :wall: Thanks very much :D