Serpent Eye

I would totally Cosplay as my Runescape character :lol:.

I do agree that TTs are a nice break from the day-to-day game play. I wouldn't go as far as to say that they are a great way of ensuring profit, not that this is what you're saying. I blow through so many Law runes doing TTs. On top of that, I have to constantly teleport to G. E. to buy armor, clothes, and weapons to complete the Uri clues. Between the value of the Laws used, and the few thousand GP needed to buy the proper equipment for Uri clues, it's hardly profitable when all you get as a reward is eight untradeable firelighters and a black dagger. Besides, unless you get really cool rewards very often, I think most people keep the more valuable rewards (Trimmed armor, etc.) for themselves, and make no profit whatsoever from them.

*sigh* I believe Player A will be more mature. I do not, however, believe either player will be more physically mature. This is a pointless suggestion. I CLEARLY know that sitting down at a computer and playing an online game does NOT make you mature physically at a greater speed. Physical maturity is all based off of biological factors. I understand this; I wasn't born yesterday. Hence my sarcasm. I suppose it all just got tangled up, because you seem to be talking about physical maturity, while I'm talking about emotional maturity.

The whole point of a debate is for both parties to get their opinions out, and to have them be heard. I disagree with you. But you're refusing to see my view as valid. I'm not wrong just because I disagree with you. Just because they're different than yours doesn't mean my facts aren't straight. I believe that playing F2P for an extended period of time prior to signing up for P2P does cut back on the level of immaturity within the member servers. People don't have to agree with my opinion, but they should certainly accept that it is a valid one.

This happens to me a lot. More often than not, I get more junk than I do useful items. The last items that I got that were really worth something were mage and ranger boots, and that was years ago. The worst TT I ever did is forever burned into my mind. I was teleporting left and right, from Fally to Ard, back to Fally, to Varrock, etc. etc. I no doubt maxed out the number of clues you can get for one single TT. My reward? Six or so cooked Tuna. :/ Needless to say, no matter what monster dropped the clue, TTs are always risky.

The last line of my post was 400% sarcasm. /debate on that. I see no point in continuing this. We clearly aren't getting our points through to each other clearly.

Excuse me? Since when does Runescape teach 'accepted, mature behavior', and how is a week or two of FTP going to change that? It's a simple matter of physical changes in the human body, with the brain maturing and judgment improving. I really don't think 'quicker to become members' is a huge reason, unless people were waiting a few years for themselves to mature before becoming PTP :| :o This is shocking! You mean... you mean... I'll still grow older and more mature even if I don't play RS?! This is life-changing. To think, the entire time I was playing the game, I thought that I would stay forever young if I didn't get in my daily game play! :wall: I was talking about behavior within the game. You can be a very mature person in real life, yet still show imature behavior while playing Runescape! I wasn't really talking about people being mature in real life. What I was getting at was this: if you're new to the game, you're more likely going to run around asking people for free stuff, standing there and continually shouting "Anyone help plz anyone help plz," obnoxiously following higher-level players around, etc. etc. THIS is a sign of imaturity within the game. If you play for a few months or so, you're more likely to learn what's accepted (aka, NOT asking everyone with an orange-tinted level for 'free stuffz') behavior, and what is not. More and more people are becoming members right off the bat, and hence, we are all experiencing their imature behavior while they learn the ropes of the game. It's still so shocking... I can't believe I'll really grow older even if I don't play RS... :roll:

I think part of the problem is this: back in "our" day (I, too, am in the 20+ age group, and made my first character in 2001), we mostly started off as F2Pers. We played F2P until we got comfortable, and more knowledgable, with the game. Once we were confident enough in ourselves, we made the switch to members. Nowdays, F2P has such a bad rap. I'm sure that countless people looking at Runescape for the first time have read all sorts of garbage that's posted about the F2P version of the game. That being the case, we're getting more-and-more first-time players signing directly up for members. They haven't had time to "learn the ropes," if you will, and are unsure of what's accepted, mature behavior! Gone is the age of sophisticated, silent members! And I actually don't see the issue that... uh, someone (forgetful, sorry!) brought up about people wanting you to add them when you show them the slightest bit of kindness. I'm always very helpful to other players, and give advice and items when I'm able. More than not, they in turn will ask me to add them to my friends list. I usually go ahead and do so! After a few days or so go by, if they just continue asking me for fr33 stuffz (one girl asked if I could give her 3k a day, every day) I'll add them to my ignore list. However, on the rare occassion, these people stay on my friends list, and we become good buddies in-game!

:wall: It's no wonder that there's an epic battle between F2P and P2P... posts like this make me ashamed to call myself a member. We members are no more deserving than F2P players. I don't understand how paying a "whopping" $5/month makes any of us better than F2Pers... At any rate, most people have seemed to forgotten what the original post was about, and are just arguing amongst themselves. I'm totally sympathetic towards what Jenove was saying. Although I do understand that the whole point of paying to be a member is to gain access to a larger version of the game, it is rather frustrating to be a F2P player and receive one or two updates a year. It's always thrown out there that "F2P is just Jagex's way to get people to become members." Frankly, I don't think this is quite a valid point. Playing an outdated and ignored version of the game does not in any way, shape, or form make me want to pay to play the same game, even if there is more content. I think ignoring free-to-play is a poor move on Jagex's part, and in the long run, I think we'll all see that it does more harm than good.

:? Sadly, this is all just part of the game. As you mentioned, most of the players are in their teens - they haven't quite yet grasped the adult concept of the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do to you." It's just some odd mentality that some players have. They feel a need to rub it in other people's faces that their skills and combat levels are higher than others, as if this makes them a better player. Although flaunting a date is sort of frowned upon on these forums, apparently, I do have to say that I created my first RuneScape character in 2001. To this day, I still get called a noob on occassion. I have no doubt that I've been playing for a far greater amount of time than some players, but I still get nagged on for having a lowly level 88 combat! In a perfect game, everyone would be nice to each other, and everyone would help each other out. But sadly, however discouraging it may be, that just isn't the case with Runescape, or most online games for that matter. I can assure you though, there are countless players out there who are willing to help you out! On a day-to-day basis, I receive more help from total strangers in the game than I get insulted. The VAST majority of players, I think, understand that EVERYONE at one point started out with level 1 stats, and EVERYONE at one point has asked another player a question, for advice, help, etc. The only advice I can give you is to just try your hardest to shrug their nasty comments off! That's what I do. I don't play to make millions of gold, I don't play to have 99 in all my skills. I play to have fun, and that's what I do: I have fun, and I don't really care how long it takes me to become a "High Level" player. I'm a bit skatterbrained! Sorry for the jumbled thoughts. Please feel free to add me in-game: Serpent_Eye. My private chat is always turned on, and I play almost every day. If you see me online, please feel free to ask me questions or anything like that! (Welcome to RS and online gaming, by the way!)

Firstly, just for clarification, I didn't mean to imply that you thought everyone you met online was a serial killer! - those are 100% strictly my words. Sorry for the mix-up! :D I suppose the whole thing is just a matter of opinion! You have to consider: my relationship with my mother is totally different than my relationship with my best friend, but no one can argue that they are not both relationships, no matter what packaging they come in. Is an online, romantic relationship any different? Just because it doesn't act, look, feel, or talk like an "in real life" relationship certainly doesn't mean it isn't a valid relationship. What constitutes a loving, caring, and grown up relationship anyway? Being able to touch the person and to actually see them, face-to-face? That to me just defines a physical relationship. I don't think it has anything to do with maturity or "real-ness." (After all, just because it's an online relationship, it certainly doesn't mean it's going to be as fake and forced as a typical high school "Will you go out with me?" / "Sure!" / "Cool - now we're dating." relationship is.) And no doubt countless grown up relationships have the same, and if not more and worse, issues than a relationship in-game could have... And again, I think it's just a matter of opinions and people - my online friendships (although in no way, shape, or form romantic) have turned out to be far more beneficial and life-affecting than my past, real life romantic relationship. The whole real life ordeal I would just prefer to forget about and leave in the past! I also agree that not everyone, especially younger people, should go out and meet everyone they met online. The views about this I expressed were just that: views, not suggestions or advice. I suppose it's just because I'm older now, and that I'm comfortable enough with myself to know that I won't put myself into dangerous situations. Don't mean to argue or banter or to keep fueling the fire! I hope I'm not coming off as argumentative - I totally see (and agree with most) of your side of the matter!

I think the dating being spoken about at the beginning of the topic was strictly online... I think most people here would agree with you in saying that you never really know who a person is that you've only met online. But I wouldn't go as far as to think that all of my friends online are serial killers :x. I would have no problem with meeting any of them in real life (Just my thoughts). But as far as "dating" someone online in RuneScape (always skilling with them, hanging out in your PoH together, going on dragon hunts, etc.) and having a relationship strictly in-game... how do you feel about that?

"Love is blind," as the saying goes. --- While dating someone on RuneScape, or online in general for that matter, isn't my cup-o-tea, I don't really see the problem with it. Although, relationships in real life, where you can see the person face-to-face, are hard enough! Just imagine trying to have a successful, lasting romantic relationship without actually getting to interact with the other person! Hard work! Although none of them have been romantic ones, the closest friends in my life are people I met online seven years ago. They're all like family to me, and although we haven't met or seen each other, we each play such a huge part in each other's lives! I don't see why this can't apply to a romantic relationship online. Although RS has enough drama as it is without throwing love into the mix! :twss: Edit: Although, I must say, the entire "Press 123 for a gf/bf" and "Looking for a gf/bf" is complete bullocks. I'm talking about actually meeting someone in RuneScape, starting a friendship in the game, getting to know each other for a long period of time, and then starting to deepen the relationship.

Yeah... that's why I voiced my opinion? I think it's pointless. <-- *debate* Edit: I'm not saying that it's a bad idea. In fact, I'm all in for Jagex having perfect customer service - indeed, I'm in the customer service business myself, and I know how important satisfying your customers is to successfully operating a business. All I'm saying is that it's a bit unrealistic to me, and I don't see them going out of their way to make this... fictional game... a democracy. And thanks for adding me to your bill, and crediting me. :twss:

I don't see why this is a huge issue. I play RuneScape for a few hours a day, and in the past... let's say, six months or so, I've had one word censored out (my friend thought he was hacked, and I suggested that he change his ****... I mean, password :P) I guess it all just depends on what you talk about in the game? I don't sit around and talk about Google and Yahoo and YouTube. I talk about RuneScape when I play RuneScape...

Good to know! Thank you!

Thank you!

Thanks again to those who've replied! I don't really have any interest in leveling my Construction, but perhaps I'll give it a go... we'll see!

Thank you both for the prompt replies, and for the help! Edit: It might do to say that I don't have a POH to store any books in :|

d.)I was wondering if anyone would be able to lend me assistance with doing some "winter" cleaning in my bank! I have a habit of holding on to items from ages ago, and never dropping them, simply because I don't remember what they're for >.> If anyone could be so kind as to tell me which of the following books/misc. items I can drop, I would appreciate the help! Edit: I do not have a POH to store any books in. i. Books A. Glassblowing book B. Beaten book C. Astronomy book D. Varmen's notes E. Glough's journal F. Slashed book G. Translation book H. Feathered journal I. Bird book J. Sin'keth's diary K. Zaff's instructions L. Task list M. Construction guide N. Dagon'hai history O. Goblin symbol book P. Meeting notes ii. Miscellaneous A. Gold helmet B. Hazeel's mark C. Gnome amulet D. Glariel's amulet E. Beacon ring F. Blessed axe --- Any help would be appreciated!

FTW. --- Seriously, though... I don't understand what's to be achieved from this topic... As members, we're essentially paying for an expansion pack for the game. We're not using our $5/mo. to buy stock in the company or anything. We don't, and shouldn't have, any say as to how Jagex builds their game. It applies to any business out there. You don't go into a grocery store, buy a gallon of milk for $3, and then demand to get a bunch of other items for free, simply because you paid for something. Runescape is that milk. We paid for it. We got it. It stops there. Yes, it would be lovely if Jagex would listen to every suggestion from their players, F2P and P2P alike, but they're not obligated to do so. Just my opinion...

I usually drop my level-3 clues, or else they just build up a thick layer of dust in my bank... the costs (Laws and time) outweigh the rewards (Firelighters...) by far. I usually only complete level-2 and -1 scrolls. It seems as if there isn't as much traveling involved for them, and that if there is, they spots are all relatively close to each other. Honestly, though... for the past four or so clues that I've done, the "best" item I've got for each of them has been Firelighters... woohoo. :thumbdown:

=D> --- As far as the November Behind The Scenes goes, the only thing I'm not really interested in is Mobilising Armies. Other than that, everything else sounds really exciting, and I'm looking forward to it!

We the Players have the right to play another game, if we don't like the existing rules set forth by Jagex...

Oh. 8-) I knew that.