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"hey [name here], want to go [activity here] with me sometime? How's [insert date]? Lent, I'm definiatly making it a point that sometime in my life i will visit Texas just to hang out with you for a day :lol: I prefer the "You're going with me to so and so, on so and so."

For some reason, that's how I imagined you'd look Oo...

But yet the vast majority of the population prior to 50 years ago had no serious inclinations for doing so. You don't know if they ever wanted to though, or if they'd want to if it was a realistic option. But it didn't. Polygamy existed since forever as far as I know. So basically you are claiming that every marriage in the past was forced, and a sham simply because it wasn't as easy to be polygamous. Not at all, I'm saying that since many cultures don't follow that path, divorce was not a realistic option for a very long time, whether it's wanted and whether not (it's probably not wanted because of the way society would look at you if you tried anything like that). I never said every marriage was forced, I said that divorce wasn't an option because of cultural behaviours, and not because people just didn't want it. I said it myself on number 2... Perhaps, but I still maintain that our species isn't the type that would want to be with only one partner.

Oh, please do (in a respectful, non-flamish manner). I don't think it's about "not being allowed to", but rather not finding it funny, etc. The reason there are so many jokes about sex, is that most young people (and then some adults aswell) find it somewhat of an embarrasing thing to talk about, so jokes cover for it. A mature person is less likely to laugh about it, because they'd understand it better. But, I think that, today, laughing/not laughing at sex jokes is no longer a sign of maturity/immaturity, because it kinda grown into sociey. Most adults I know would laugh at & tell sex jokes, including my own two parents.

No. Problem with society today is that monogamy isn't natural for us. A prenup doesn't make a divorce easier. If after living together after so many years that it's become a habit, plus the memories and shared commitments such as children, 2 people STILL want a divorce, whether the financial side is slightly less messy or not isn't going to be the tie breaker. And by saying monogamy isn't natural, you mean what? I mean we're hardwired to go through many partners and not stick with 1 person, but society and marriage conflict with that. There are so many unhappy couples because marriage goes against our nature. I second that. I don't. What makes you think we're hardwired to not stick with one person? And why is it that after thousands and thousands of years of successful lifelong unions divorce has only started to be a problem within the last 50 years? Well, it's a fact that the vast majority of today's population wants to be with more than one partner. That alone, is proof that our species is not a one-partner-through-lifetime kind of species. As for your other question, there are so many answers I'm afraid to even start answering. From the top of my head: 1. Certain religions FORCE that. I know for a fact that certain cultures don't even allow the thought of divorce. 2. Certain cultures also don't believe in monogamy. It was a lot more common in the past, and I'm thinking the fact it's not longer common, is what makes divorce so widespread and popular today. 3. The fact that divorce hadn't existed, does not mean it's because it wasn't something people would want, it means certain cultures and religions don't allow it. Catholic marriages could set a great example there. A "we can so we do" kind of thing. 4. Match ups used to be very common in the past, without both sides necessarily even willing to marry. Today, most of us have the freedom to choose, dismiss, and break up with many partners. That makes us somewhat inclined to want to try to be with more than one partner, if not a variety of partners. And that's from the top of my head. I'm pretty sure I could make that list atleast twice as long.

Maturity is subjective, so I'm asking what each of you think of yourselves.

Would any of you say you're mature?

Serious =/= mature, IMO. I agree that at certain cases maturity requires seriousness, but the two are not the same.

It seems like I just fell asleep... It backfired, I was too tired, lol.

Exactly, and on 99% of the cases, body language, along with some principles, is all it takes. But again, if it works, there can't be anything too bad about it.

Most of the time, not as much as you'd think, honestly.

Alright, seems like it should work. Kind of too much effort, but if it works, who am I to judge?

What does it mean? How do you measure it? And how much of it exists in OT? I'm curious at some specific OT'ers' responses... *Would you say you're mature? EDIT: Due to some jokes and other misunderstandings, I'm pointing out we're discussing mental/emotional maturity, not physical maturity.

I see what you mean now. But wouldn't that require some big gap of time? Otherwise it's just plainly simple to see it was planned, y'know?

I wouldn't word it like that but yes, and it works wonders. Not too sure about the way you worded it, but something too similar to that would just be pointless. Basically, you're making it way to obvious why you're here, and do it in a rather...clumsy or akward way... Not unless you're clumsy and awkward. It's all about having a strong frame and bringing them into your reality. "Wanna meet my friend?" means he's too shy to hit on you on his own. "He's smart and funny and..." means he can't speak for himself, and that he's trying to sell himself to her. "I think you could get along." means again that he can't speak for himself, and that he has no idea how to hit on girls. "This guy over there would like to meet you." means he can't do it on his own. Unless you supply some very specific wording, I can't tell you exactly what is/isn't good about it. But the idea in itself right now, presented the way it's presented, doesn't seem appealing.

I wouldn't word it like that but yes, and it works wonders. Not too sure about the way you worded it, but something too similar to that would just be pointless. Basically, you're making it way to obvious why you're here, and do it in a rather...clumsy or akward way...

a partner in crime so to speak. you bring them along in social situations, and they help you meet people. As you do the same for them. Their primary goal is to find girls for you, and you them. Yeah I knew that but, like how? "Yo dude I find nice chick. Okay what you got fer me?" "Hey, I wanna introduce you to my friend. He's a really awesome guy I think you'll like him." Wait... who says that, the helper??

Alright, I decided I'm going to spend most of the night awake (nothing to wake up early for tomorrow) and only go to sleep when I'm very very tired. I bet I could reproduce that last experience.

My friend loves Spongebob, and he's nearly 22. Me too! Spongebob is teh thing!

I'm better than you because here the sun is no longer shining.

I like my men like I like aliens. Interesting from afar, but once they're here for a while, they'll be nothing special... Astrology.

Congratulations Tripsis ;).

Last night I didn' try it. I was just very tired and cold, and in the position of sort of... hugging my knees? And then after a while without even trying I started lucid dreaming. It was short, but it was IT. In my dream I looked at my older house from bottom and up, and then opened the front door. That's about it, then I *almost* woke up, so I tried to get back, and then woke up. I couldn't move and all, was pretty cool.

I'm better than you because it would if we tried timing.

So you just completely ignored my post and the fact that you can only put in 3 words?! *RAGE* :evil: :evil: