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Buy from GE. You could probably just make the money much faster.

Firemaking is underrated, but Fletching and Cooking are overrated, even with the current amount of respect shown for them.

Nothing wrong with using a guide in my opinion. I don't like most quests myself, I use guides to get through it as fast as possible.

The best armor would be dragonhide.

Theiving is extremely fast. You can get 200k theiving experience per hour. If you use cheap food like cakes or something, you could probably make a small profit. It also isn't quite as generic a cape as cooking or fletching.

Torso.

Im not sure, but the idea that is significantly higher i sa myth. There is no hard information on it anywhere, as far as i know.

Zombie monkeys will also require expensive potions too. You could camp Dusties, they are pretty decent xp, and moderate charms. Dusties would also require no pots. Expect about 60-80k xp per hour with your stats. Bandits are also good, you could probably get 40-50k per hour total. This is with a Dragon Scimitar and a Defender.

I honestly don't see the major issue here. People aren't going to bandos for a low value 15k drop, They are going for the hilt, or the gear, or a shard. If you are really concerned about 15k, maybe as a nod to the addy bar drops of avains you could have the arma boss drop 15k worth of addy bars every time. Maybe have the other bosses drop about 15k worth of noted big bones or something.

Wait until after you have a source to make such statements. America has not tortured anyone who did not need to be tortured. If you put yourself in the situation of the CIA agents who tortured Islamic terrorist KSM 166 times, they only knew that there was to be an attack, the attack was imminent, and that KSM knew information about it. There was no time for Political Correctness.

Thanks for the support. That is another idea. That is a bit of a high reward and would slightly devalue the Legend's Guild, but that Guild is long dead anyway. The D sq is an obselete item that isn't used for anything but tank ranging at this point, this would probably bring it better in line with its true current use and value. If you didn't want to base it entirely on alch value, the D Scimmy might work. D Sq or the Hally or B axe would also work because of the Alch value. I think that many of these suggestions for an item would work well, and if anyone has further ideas, they can also be examined. 80-100 hours of work should merit the ability to fight a monster with a high value drop. After the D boots were introduced, another item should have been added to beef up the Nech drop list. I have edited my first post to reflect all of the suggestions.

Olbermann: runs a low rated show, desprate for ratings, and now that putz Bill O'Reilly finally figured out that Olbermann was delibrately starting controversy with him for publicity to prop up his low-rated show, he is targeting Hannity. Hannity: A complete fraud that Rush Limbaugh could easily sue for copyright violations, Hannity forgot to ask Rush what to say about waterboarding, so he said something completely moronic. This loser makes a mockery of anyone who supports the Republican perspective. I really miss Bill Buckley. Why do morons have to get the time slots? Only very few people on air seem educated about anything related to public affairs, they seem to do nothing but blither empty talking points. Some of these people act as if the thoughts in their head are rubber balls, bouncing around inside. When they open their mouths, a random talking point bounces out. They do not use their own reason or logic when examining a given situation. They drone on with arguments made by other people. They don't seem to have any personality in what they say. When I watch Hannity, I don't get the sense that I'm watching a guy with a conservative view of the world, examining situations with a truly personal conservative opinion. When I watch Olbermann, I do not get the sense that I am watching a Liberal guy with a Liberal view, examining the world affains with that view.It's as if they could place Hannity on MSNBC and Olbermann on Fox one night, and it would not matter, as long as they each were reading off the talking points of the other side.

Cockroach soldiers drop D Schimmys in p2p. If you think that the halberd is too strange of a drop, it could be something else. Didn't know that sorry. Idk about the drop, but I don't think the hally is used enough to really solve the problem, except if you alch it. But adding a drop but as an alchable seems kinda like a waste to me. And Cockroach soldiers do not drop D Schimmys in p2p. Ps: this is the year of improvements and upgrades to the game and skills. [/hide] Thanks for the support. Rune Hq lists them as dropping the D scimitar, but i'm not sure I would believe them before tip it :lol: . I've been looking at prices, and at the moment, the D long is at 82,000 gp after years of being at a steady 100k. This may be due to drops form the CB and these new "Reborn Warriors". However it now seems to be stablizing at 82k. The D halberd or D B Axe might be a better option now, because while more people use the d scimmy than the D long, people kill nechs more often than the CB or reborn warriors. It's very difficult to find a drop that does not interfere with something else, but those are the only ones that I have found so far. A Slight drop in price would not devastate the game, but on the other hand, if these drop too low then there would be no point in adding them. The hally and D B Axe, however would stablize at alch value, we wouldn't have to worry about that problem with them. A new item could also be an option, but adding one of these drops or better secondaries would be simpler. There is someting that give dragon scimitar in the game and that is dragon implings. The Runescape Wiki says that they don't, but that they do drop the D long. I really doubt though that people would be actively camping for D scimmy drops, it would just be a drop that people would happen to get when they were on task. I'm not sure but I believe that more people kill nechs and get drops then the CB, Dragon implings, and "reborn warriors' combined. the D Long has fallen from 100k to 82k, but on the other hand, the D scimmy is more popular than the D Long. The D scimmy could be good, if the price wouldn't fall badly. The d Battle Axe or the D hally could also work because they would stablize at alch value.

Flawless. This will easily revive firemaking, and I cannot see any major problems this would cause. Support

Cockroach soldiers drop D Schimmys in p2p. If you think that the halberd is too strange of a drop, it could be something else. Didn't know that sorry. Idk about the drop, but I don't think the hally is used enough to really solve the problem, except if you alch it. But adding a drop but as an alchable seems kinda like a waste to me. And Cockroach soldiers do not drop D Schimmys in p2p. Ps: this is the year of improvements and upgrades to the game and skills. Thanks for the support. Rune Hq lists them as dropping the D scimitar, but i'm not sure I would believe them before tip it :lol: . I've been looking at prices, and at the moment, the D long is at 82,000 gp after years of being at a steady 100k. This may be due to drops form the CB and these new "Reborn Warriors". However it now seems to be stablizing at 82k. The D halberd or D B Axe might be a better option now, because while more people use the d scimmy than the D long, people kill nechs more often than the CB or reborn warriors. It's very difficult to find a drop that does not interfere with something else, but those are the only ones that I have found so far. A Slight drop in price would not devastate the game, but on the other hand, if these drop too low then there would be no point in adding them. The hally and D B Axe, however would stablize at alch value, we wouldn't have to worry about that problem with them. A new item could also be an option, but adding one of these drops or better secondaries would be simpler.

Possibly, but I have a feeling that new weapons would be reserved for newly released monsters. But just as well, it could be anything, while would be much simpler just to add a dragon item or beef up secondaries, that could work.

But Dark Beasts do have a high value drop. And while you may have done these trials, those numbers are a one time trail that do not even take into account the drop of a dark bow. We can't even take into account the methods of killing you used. It is better to use established numbers from people who have done thousands of kills, like Zarfot. You said that the D Bow is only one in 1,000 kills, and while it is possible to go 1,000 kills and not get a d bow, according to Zarfot the drop rate is about one in 350. Zarfot has a record of accuracy and I believe that his numbers are probably the most comprehensive avalible on this subject. I do not expcet a Slayer monster to be the best monster or best cash in the game, I expect them to just be reasonable profit, and have a high value drop. Nechs used to have a high value drop, but it was replaced when D Boots came out, and not naturally as more people reached 80 slayer and camped. I am not expecting anything too fancy, just add a dragon weapon, like the Schimmy or the B axe or the hally.

Gargoyles have their good secondary drops, and they get a G Maul. Abyssals, and Dark Beasts also have good secondaries. I would not mind it if their secondaries were beefed up without a Dragon Weapon or anytihng, that is actually a good option. A D weapon, or better secondaries would solve the problem. However they do require 80 slayer, and IMO they should give better cash, no matter what the new drop is. Thanks for the support.

I do not expect nechs to be the best monster in the game at 80 slayer, just as I do not expect Dark beasts to be the best monster in the game at 90 slayer. My objective, as I stated in the OP, is merely to give Nechs another drop in order to fill the hole left by the fact that their main drop was made obselete. D bows, on the other hand, are not obselete. They have declined naturally in price as more people have gained the ablilty to fight Dark Beasts. I am not opposed to natural decline. I can't honestly remember which is better, but if you look at zarfot's guide, I am certain that gargoyles and nechs are both extremely close in xp. They are certainly better charms, but Rock Lobsters beat them both out with a Slayer requirement of level 1. Waterfiends also beat them by a mile, with the same requirement. Dark Beasts are not amazing money, but they give a very good amount of money, a decent number of blue charms, and a High Value Dark Bow drop. They perhaps could be looked at, but I believe that nechs are bigger letdown at the moment.

I agree that they both suck, and they shouldn't.I think that Gargoyles may have the advantage. In additon to the G maul, Gargoyles also have Mystic robe tops, and several rune items, and a fairly reliable drop of Pure essence. Nechs have death runes, Rune boots, and other rune stuff. Rune boots drop at a rate of about once every 150 kills, and they were once 200k. Now they have been made obselete and only contribute a small amount to the profit of every task. I strongly doubt that nechs are 100-200k per hour. They used to be better, and the problem could be solved by adding one weapon. While other Slayer monsters could deserve an increase to their drops, I think that Nechs are the most glaring problem. It takes 100 hours of work to achieve the slayer level required to fight them, and their only drop is obselete. Maybe solving the Nech problem could bring attention to some other problems as well. But lets take one thing at a time. Dark beasts are the most glaring problem. Second most would probably be wyverns, though the release of summoning and the DFS has helped them dramatically. While Dark Beast's big drop is of lower value than the whip, it is still of very good value. If the Dark Bow dropped down to an extremely low level, like the value of Rune Boots, I would be complaining. It may be a problem, but it is not one that is as major. That is just my opinion though. Skeletal Wyverns have a Granite Leg drop, I believe that G legs were still well over 150k. You also get good priced wyvern bones, and a rare shot at a visage. Both of these creatures do have some issues that could be looked at, but compare these two with the Nech, that has an obselete drop. 80-100 hours of work to get a low value rune drop. As I have said before, it could be solved very simply. I am not asking for a fancy new item, or anything crazy. Just add a dragon weapon, The schimmy, the hally, or the B axe, or even just beef up the secondaries. They do have some worth to me, but abyssals drop lots of charms too, and they have a drop. Dark Beasts drop lots of blues, and they have a good drop. I think that 80 slayer should be worth more than just getting higher than average crimsons.Do you not like the idea of making a change to the nech drop list? I guess the above also works for Erichermit's response as well. Dark beasts might be better money then nechs, but it takes a lot more time to get to 90 slayer then 80. Besides, nechs are the best slayer monster in the game, with the possible exception of dusties, when you are level 80. At level 90 the dark beast is far inferior to abyssal demons and spiritual mages. It is arguable that gargoyles are better becasue they are more cash per hour, but as far as dark beasts are concerned, I feel as long as a Slayer Monster has a high value drop, that is good enough. You can't be sure of the demand there will be for any given item, and people want the whip more than they want the D Bow. The Dark Beast may not be the best monster to hit for profit, but it does have a high value drop. Compare that with the nech, which does not have a high value drop. It did have a drop but the drop was outmoded. I do not expect jagex to enter in a new item as a given slay monster is camped and the price naturally falls, but this was not a case of the price naturally falling, this was a case of the item being made obselete. The item should be replaced with some kind of high value item, but it is difficult to get an item without interfereing with something else. I think the D schimmy is probably the best option, or some other dragon weapon.

This excellent idea, which I fully support, will undoubtedly revive mining and smithing, and bring them to the status that they once held in Runescape. All points attempting to attack this are dubious and plainly incorrect, and have been fully and eloquently responded to by the dedicated author of this groundbreaking idea. this strong support has nothing to do with his support of my idea.

Even at 1/450, the whip still has a huge impact on the profitability of Abyssal Demons. It adds roughly 3k to the average value of every kill of an Abyssal demon. The average nech task is about 150 kills, and you will be extremely lucky to make 250k. Death Runes are probably negotated by the Abyssal's Pure ess drop alone. Spiritual Mages have d boots, Abbys have whips, Dark Beasts have D bows. WIthout those special items, these monsters porbably wouldnt be any better than Fire Giants in terms of profit. Compare those Slayer monsters with the Nech, which has a drop that was outmoded. It did not naturally decline in profit as people reached 80 slayer, the drop was made obselete. Nechs have a huge requirement, and they reallly have no high value drop. I think that I have proposed an extremely simple solution that will fix this problem. But that's the thing. IF you don't get a whip, but once you average in the whip, Nechs are worse. Oh btw, I support this. I'd like to see nechs get a better drop, like what they did to Dark Beasts. I wouldn't say d hally/scim/baxe, since nobody really uses those. But in all honesty, it doesn't matter as long as they get something or other. The hally and b axe aren't used very often, but you would be suprised how many people I see use the schimmy in pvp. The dragon items were really the only thing in the range I was loooking for, there may be other stuff too, though.

I agree that they both suck, and they shouldn't.I think that Gargoyles may have the advantage. In additon to the G maul, Gargoyles also have Mystic robe tops, and several rune items, and a fairly reliable drop of Pure essence. Nechs have death runes, Rune boots, and other rune stuff. Rune boots drop at a rate of about once every 150 kills, and they were once 200k. Now they have been made obselete and only contribute a small amount to the profit of every task. I strongly doubt that nechs are 100-200k per hour. They used to be better, and the problem could be solved by adding one weapon. While other Slayer monsters could deserve an increase to their drops, I think that Nechs are the most glaring problem. It takes 100 hours of work to achieve the slayer level required to fight them, and their only drop is obselete. Maybe solving the Nech problem could bring attention to some other problems as well. But lets take one thing at a time. Dark beasts are the most glaring problem. Second most would probably be wyverns, though the release of summoning and the DFS has helped them dramatically. While Dark Beast's big drop is of lower value than the whip, it is still of very good value. If the Dark Bow dropped down to an extremely low level, like the value of Rune Boots, I would be complaining. It may be a problem, but it is not one that is as major. That is just my opinion though. Skeletal Wyverns have a Granite Leg drop, I believe that G legs were still well over 150k. You also get good priced wyvern bones, and a rare shot at a visage. Both of these creatures do have some issues that could be looked at, but compare these two with the Nech, that has an obselete drop. 80-100 hours of work to get a low value rune drop. As I have said before, it could be solved very simply. I am not asking for a fancy new item, or anything crazy. Just add a dragon weapon, The schimmy, the hally, or the B axe, or even just beef up the secondaries. They do have some worth to me, but abyssals drop lots of charms too, and they have a drop. Dark Beasts drop lots of blues, and they have a good drop. I think that 80 slayer should be worth more than just getting higher than average crimsons.Do you not like the idea of making a change to the nech drop list? I guess the above also works for Erichermit's response as well.

Well, you are a very lucky person. The drop rate has been documented to be around 1 in 142 by a player named Zarfot, who has killed thousands of nechs. His findings can be found in "Mega Slayer Guide 3" on the RSOF forums. If you are suggesting that they increase the drop rate, the increased supply would likely lower the price. Even with 2 paris you probably are not getting batter than 150-250k, max. (250 is extremely high) On the other hand, if a Dragon weapon, like the scimitar, the Battle Axe, or the Hally was added, then they would replace the hole created when Dragon Boots were released. I don't see any major possible negative effects of this. The hally might decline to high alch value if it were added, but it was already headed there. If the Scimitar were chosen, they are in such heavy demand that the price would only go down slightly. The Battle Axe is already at Alch Price anyway. If you beefed up minor drops, I doubt nechs have enough of an effect to hurt prices very much.

I agree that they both suck, and they shouldn't.I think that Gargoyles may have the advantage. In additon to the G maul, Gargoyles also have Mystic robe tops, and several rune items, and a fairly reliable drop of Pure essence. Nechs have death runes, Rune boots, and other rune stuff. Rune boots drop at a rate of about once every 150 kills, and they were once 200k. Now they have been made obselete and only contribute a small amount to the profit of every task. I strongly doubt that nechs are 100-200k per hour. They used to be better, and the problem could be solved by adding one weapon. While other Slayer monsters could deserve an increase to their drops, I think that Nechs are the most glaring problem. It takes 100 hours of work to achieve the slayer level required to fight them, and their only drop is obselete. Maybe solving the Nech problem could bring attention to some other problems as well. But lets take one thing at a time.