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There won't be many f2ps with 2 skill capes so it will only be +9 def but it would still make it the best cape in f2p but it isn't overpowered for f2p, it would just make it very desirable.

Because everyone is hiding the fact that the updates suck and that's why everybody is not complaining about the "crappy updates". Seriously, why not ignore the updates if you are so hateful of them. I am sure there are other things for you to do...Jagex works hard to create updates and here you are complaining because they are not good enough. If you want the truth, with the expectations I think you are setting for Jagex, Jagex will never make a worthy update and you might as well shut up now because Jagex is never going to satisfy you and there is no use complaining. =D> =D> =D> Much better than what I said :lol:

HUH? :? My point was he should wear whatever cape he feels like wearing even if he has a skill cape because it isn't required to wear it... And I like how you took out one sentence instead of reading through it....... Look before you jump to a conclusion! I read it all EXCEPT I didn't understand that line which is why I quoted it! Do you think instead of reading peoples post I just read 1 line of it and comment on that? :wall:

On behalf of people with different opinions to you every were, were sorry. :roll: My personal hate is the rock and the hard place every body is in. You have good stats - your a no lifer. You have bad stats - your a noob This all depends on who ever is asking though and there skills. Except when the T word word comes up. (terrorist) Then that little Amendment gets thrown out the window, along with inciting violence or race crime. Personally, I think there is no problem letting your kids hear swear words or violence cos one day they are going to learn them and they are going to see it, you just need to teach them the right time and place and when to use violence. Were did any body on this forum learn swear words? Play ground? Friends? Not exactly the right place to learn them so why not teach them to use them properly? They are going to use them, I bet the queen has swore :lol:

HUH? :?

WTF is your problem? Swearing for me conveys frustration, or if I use it in a joke, I make sure its clever. Studies confirmed that people who swear can stand pain longer than those who don't. I'm looking at what you said and I hope its a joke, but if it isn't I honestly am offended. Were are these studies cos I don't swear much and I am a masochist :lol: Your offended by that?!?!? :shock: Your not insulted often, are you? Would you swear in front of a child who is learning to speak and not feel guilty or look at there perant and ask if it's ok to swear infront of them? Would you want porn and ultra violent games such as manhunt to be available to every body? Would you want games in bad taste, such as a game being released in japan were the object of the game is to rape people, to be censored or only sold to over 18's? Some censorship is a good thing.

Cos you just worked like a slave for god knows how long to be rewarded with a nice cape that has a good set of stats, a little emote and gives you +1 to that skill. In members it isn't that great but in f2p it is awesome, relatively speaking. If you reduce the stats of the cape it is taking away the main attraction of getting the cape. Emote is a little time waster that every body will get bored if in less than 10 mins. The +1 is a little useless cos you have just slaved away at that skill and JAGEX thinks you want to carry on doing it.

How illogical is that!?!? The stats on all f2p items are pretty poor and you want to continue that trend and have some stupid emote that will entertain you for less than 10 mins then you will use it either when your bored or when some body asks you to do it. But if you have the stats ASWELL you can do that silly emote and be better in pvp or monster/ boss hunting. I just think if everything we share has the same stats (like a rune set) then why can't a cape with crap (for members) stats be f2p aswell, the fact that they only contribute a small % is made up for by the length of time it takes to get a 99 in f2p.

Joint third best cape. Second best is trimmed. best is fire cape. I bet fire cape is cheaper and quicker than any two 99's and with better stats. Blowing other capes out of the water is the whole point, it shows it is worth it. It wont unbalance the game to much cos what is the ratio of f2p's with 99's than f2p's with no 99's.

The stats on the cape make it hardly worth getting in members, which means in f2p it is definatly worth them stats. It takes so much longer to get 99 so they deserve good stats making them bearly better than a normal cape would make it pointless bringing it out, atleast make it worth while to spend all that time and/or money then pay 99k for a slightly better stats, why not the full stats? Another reason is why mess about altering the stats so there slightly better than normal cape? It is just plain petty. Just make all capes f2p make a few new npc's and be done with it.

It's not harder.... but it's definitely less efficient. Like countless others have said, if I get 99 cooking with shrimps all the way, do I deserve a cape more than someone who cooked sharks? We obviously have more content because we are willing to pay for more. You could argue it is harder. You have to focus longer and it is hard to focus for long periods of tedium.

I think the whole sailing thing should just be let go. It is just a bad idea, you can't polish a turd.

Other wise it isn't really worth it, some f2p might want the cape so they can have the best cape in f2p. +1 or 2 isn't worth the effort, obby cape stats are bearly worth it. That is the main reason I am not going for a 99 ... I have an obby cape so why waste all my time getting another obby cape that looks a little different and with 2 extra tiny bonuses? So when I do get it I can waste more time and get another 99 so I can have +4 prayer aswell?

You have to have a fit wrist :lol: Seriously though, I think instead of this mini debate of who is missing what parts of whose arguments, it would be easier to do it this way. :) You don't think 99 in f2p is a big achievement? I think 99 in members is a big achievement. Your right that you don't need to be smart or fit but you need patience and concentration. The capes are there to show that you have achieved a 99 in such a skill, why can't f2p show thay have a 99 in a certain skill? Without using they don't pay argument :lol: In members the stats on the cape are third best in game, trimmed is second best so it isn't like there getting the best members item in the cape spot but in f2p those stats would be incredible, it would be the best cape by far, which is what slaving away till 99 in f2p should be about. How are skillcapes different to any other item in the game? Do f2pers deserve godswords simply because they take longer to get, and that they would be the "best sword in the game" (according to you, f2pers apparently deserve skillcapes because they are the best cape by far) People say that getting a 99 is horrible, but why would they do it unless it was at least a little fun, which is the point of playing a computer game? Why torture yourself month after month to get a few pixels when you could be doing something constructive, and get the same sense of self satisfaction? All you need to get a skillcape is time, and people with high skills only really get that way because they have more free time than others. If i spent all day killing ants, would it show i'm a dedicated worker or that i have too much time on my hands? f2pers already can show that they have a 99 in a skill through the highscores. The cape is just another item. Why not make dragon axes f2p so they can show off that they have 61 woodcutting? Why not make Godswords f2p so they can show off that they have lots of money? That and the fact that Jagex would lose money, see my "scenarios". On the topic of scenarios, i'm not really sure what your arguments are directed at, as i only have 3 scenarios but you are talking about 6. o.O. Maybe try quoting me and writing your argument underneat it, it would be easier for me to see^^ In members skill capes are 3rd best with obby cape and trimmed cape is second best. You can't compare godsword to a cape, a godsword is a massivly powerful 2 hander and a skill cape is not even the best cape in the game. Dispite this they shouldn't get it cos it is easy, they shouldn't get them cos you don't get them for doing anything special like training for ages on a skill to get it to 99. They could do something else but they choose not to, the same way you choose to play runescape. That means members shouldn't have skill capes, they can show them off on high scores aswell. I think your getting confused as to what a skill/achievement cape is, you get it for getting 99, spending time getting it NOT for reaching an easy level such as 61 for a dragon hatchet. There is a MASSIVE difference in 61 and 99, obviously. I have answered your scenarios. There easy to understand, there are 6 paragraphs. :

Agreed, im sick of hearing all the Chuck Norris junk tbh :| I wont be surprised when you wake up dead. How will you know I am dead for a start? How does chuck norris know were I live? Chuck norris is a soft hill billy, why else do you think he is in films? He is soft, everything is all set out so he can't get hurt etc. He should be called chick norris. (It is the best I could come up with) I love films, I have over 400 dvds but I have only seen about 30 seconds of a chuck norris film before I got so bored I turned over. It just looked like a cheap rambo rip off and considering I think rambo is crap and low budget anyway it is saying alot. But this is way off topic so M.S still is the worst way to go. :evil:

And .... What ibxtoycat is saying is that members with skillcapes could go into free worlds and have an advantage in pvp. Oh, ok. Thanks. Yeah they will but it isn't a massive advantage.

And ....

chuck norris is a hill billy, nothing more.

so how would he have an advantage? You have to have a fit wrist :lol: Seriously though, I think instead of this mini debate of who is missing what parts of whose arguments, it would be easier to do it this way. :) You don't think 99 in f2p is a big achievement? I think 99 in members is a big achievement. Your right that you don't need to be smart or fit but you need patience and concentration. The capes are there to show that you have achieved a 99 in such a skill, why can't f2p show thay have a 99 in a certain skill? Without using they don't pay argument :lol: About your Scenario quotes 1) He might just quit or kill that same boss monster for several months, the last 3 levels of prayer in f2p take over 2 million clicks so if some body has that kind of focus I am sure killing a monster for several months is fine. 2) JAGEX will never miss the money from a few months membership. 3) Good : 4) An extra few f2pers don't become members, so what? JAGEX won't miss there money. 5 and 6) could be bundled together in 1 update then every body is happy In members the stats on the cape are third best in game, trimmed is second best so it isn't like there getting the best members item in the cape spot but in f2p those stats would be incredible, it would be the best cape by far, which is what slaving away till 99 in f2p should be about. I would guess it makes more subscriptions to serious players who want to show off their 99's Plus, some skillcapes are obtained in member zones :twss: Make new people, it isn't that hard, JAGEX do it all the time.

Neitiznot, just to the right of the spinning wheel on the world map. The eyes are the houses, the ladder the nose and coast is a smiley mouth, it even has 2 ears. : Looks like stewie griffin. :lol:

You have to have a fit wrist :lol: Seriously though, I think instead of this mini debate of who is missing what parts of whose arguments, it would be easier to do it this way. :) You don't think 99 in f2p is a big achievement? I think 99 in members is a big achievement. Your right that you don't need to be smart or fit but you need patience and concentration. The capes are there to show that you have achieved a 99 in such a skill, why can't f2p show thay have a 99 in a certain skill? Without using they don't pay argument :lol: About your Scenario quotes 1) He might just quit or kill that same boss monster for several months, the last 3 levels of prayer in f2p take over 2 million clicks so if some body has that kind of focus I am sure killing a monster for several months is fine. 2) JAGEX will never miss the money from a few months membership. 3) Good : 4) An extra few f2pers don't become members, so what? JAGEX won't miss there money. 5 and 6) could be bundled together in 1 update then every body is happy In members the stats on the cape are third best in game, trimmed is second best so it isn't like there getting the best members item in the cape spot but in f2p those stats would be incredible, it would be the best cape by far, which is what slaving away till 99 in f2p should be about.

r4ngewarlord, I'll be over here eating my words :lol: Est0rrath, I agree with you but it is irrelevant. If some body said do you want free d claws or a free godsword (niether of which you can trade again) which would you pick?

They play far longer than members do for no reward, I think that offsets the very worn out argument of they should pay if they want capes. If that doesn't then how about instead of paying out of there own pockets, they are contributing towards the running of runescape by playing long enough to get a 99. I have proven on this or another similer thread that f2p contibute about 7% of all income to JAGEX so out of 1 million, which is atleast what JAGEX earn per year, they contribute £70k. Thats my argument and I am sticking to it :D

How do you work that out.

I meant the damage you were doing to the monster would be reduced.