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On the surface that looks horrible, but I don't think the number of actually *players* has fallen that much. 1) fewer bots and gold farmers 2) fewer people with multiple accounts (i.e. pures) Will I hazard a guess the true decline in subscribing players, no. But I will say it's less than the gross numbers seem to indicate. Though with out argument it is a major decline in revenue from subscriptions even with the price increase.

A recolored Captain America Shield? Will we get Thor's hammer too?

I thought about this. Most of the things available for us to make take only a few energies. Add to the fact that they gather pretty fast, I've decided to lvl and not worry about the future, at least for these first few days. I can always go back and collect them when the time comes.

yeah, I would like to say I would be asleep right now if it wasn't for my terrible neck ache, but I'm done lying to my self this year. I'm a chronic insomniac and a new skill could be released any moment (even though it will probably be at least 2 hr, knowing jagex time). I know why I'm not asleep. Insomnia+Excitement= being awake at 4 am after laying in bed for ~two hours going, "I will fall asleep and be somewhat rested for new skill, I will, I Will!!" No, you wont, stop lying to yourself. After all, your neck hurts :evil:

But... this logic bother me. The whaler is obviously an awesome fisherman, he catches whales. And the assassin is good at theiving/sneaking stuff... and the mage women is so magically awesome she's immortal... and the missionary is so devoted to sara... Nevermind, like said, logic is punted out of play, it's too late to try to bring it back anyway. It's Jagex. Though why I'd want to send random Joe into the eastern lands simply because they admire my Divination and have no skills of their own boggles my mind. I've always thought the person that needs to get on the boat to the eastern lands was me anyway. If 99 Div will let me go, it will be my fastest 99 ever.

Interesting, sure, but they have already said in the BTS video that the skill cape would be on a stand because no NPC had mastered it. If they then gave us a 90 divination adventure I think it would be kind of odd, at least in the couple of months following the release of the skill. I'm not against it, per say, I just don't think it fits, lore wise. So in other words, what you're saying is that it makes perfect sense to Jagex to make a lvl 90 Divination adventurer. Darn, my own logic destroyed by the logical illogical of Jagex logic. I bow to your superior understanding of jagex's logical illogical. I toff my hat to you, good sir.

Oh, I'm sure they will get around to fixing lumby, just as quickly as [spoiler=they've fix]the damage the dragonkin did to Edgeville. Maybe they can get them both on an HGTV show.

Part of it is i just feel its particular ludicrous that we are *paying* for help. I'd have gone to Fally and Vorrock and Al Kharid and been like, if you don't help stop this here, it's only going to spread, you guys are literately a 2 minute run from the battle field. Get you butts down here to defend for the good of RS. We must hang together or we will all hang separately. Add that to the ludicrous presupposition that underlies all this that any mortal armed force can have any effect on a battle between two *gods* and it just seems such a waste of gp that could be saved to try to fix things, or help non-combatant refuges to safety, or something. On top of that, if I was one of gods, and saw a third armed force gathering outside my camp, I might just think that it was the work of some other god, and team up with Zammy long enough to squash this new threat before it became a threat. Just sitting here thinking has made me come up with more reasons why this is such a terrible approach. But I really agree. If Jagex wanted a "good" outcome, they should have done this whole duke thing differently. Otherwise it's just going to be decided by a bunch of teenagers, that through no fault of their own, really don't have the life experience to budget or people that just don't care because it's just a game. Which it is, but I just don't like the idea that lumby's going to look like a broken down slum in game from now on. It's embarrassing how much game time it took me when I stated playing to get out of that place. edit: And ALG is right, we don't know what the future holds for the events. But I just get this feeling that it's not going to be good. It's my natural pessimism.

We don't need that title. We play rs. Most people realize that within 10 minutes of meeting us. I'm probably just speaking for myself though. :?

This is basically what I told my sister (who plays RS) after I found out that the duke thing was being decided by the players. Irritating that so many people don't seem to get the concept of budgeting our funds. Though tbh, the duke started this with so little money, I think he maybe needs a lesson or 3 on kingdom management. Maybe he should talk to the manager of Misc, she seems to be doing a pretty good job, even though she is in a deep state of bereavement :wink:.

Interesting, sure, but they have already said in the BTS video that the skill cape would be on a stand because no NPC had mastered it. If they then gave us a 90 divination adventure I think it would be kind of odd, at least in the couple of months following the release of the skill. I'm not against it, per say, I just don't think it fits, lore wise.

Do you know how hard it is to color coordinate when you can change the color of your skin too! It practically doubles the problems of finding a fetching frock. It's taking the gods so long to manifest on rs because they are like trying to get teenage girls out the door in the morning. The hair, the makeup, the 20 clothing changes, at minimum 3 shoe/sock changes. It's no minor miracle that Sara and Zammy are here already. Do you think that facial hair teases itself so fetchingly? Ok, so maybe god hair does style itself, but still, that's about the twentieth beard Sara tried, and he stood in front of the miror for an hour trying to find the exact right shade of cyan to go with his robes. And the less said about Zammy quest for wings that seemed imposing without seeming overwhelming, the better. After all, he didn't want anyone to think he was compensating for something with the wings. Gods, such little prima donnas. edit: and you don't even want to know how many times Bandos has said "does this make me look fat?" What do you think Bandos, really?

http://services.rune...the-scenes-2009 under the hood update we all benifited from: http://services.rune...-finding-update There was a lot more suppose to be happening than update dead areas. edit: user feedback at the time. http://www.tip.it/runescape/times/view/319-wake-up

Oh, but IMPORTANT things were going on under the hood! Doesn't that satisfy you lust for new content! SOO ungrateful. STOP YOUR WHINING. Don't you even care about the FUTURE OF RUNESCAPE! /s In a more serious note, I'm sure they did a lot of work, optimizing code, stuff the player used ever day but never saw, but it was so.. unsatisfying and caused a lot of rancor in the community. And I don't see anyway to do any kind of no update only upgrades without the upgrades being something the player cant see. Sure they can do graphical reworks and that is all well and good, but I don't think that is exactly what people want either. What I'm saying is the best upgrades are infrastructure upgrades that we wont ever directly be able to see. More than that, it comes too late. Jagex can point at RS now and go, we have particles, and bloom, and this and that all because of the year of upgrades. But the player that quit because of that no content year are not around to hear it. They have to figure out a way to do updates and upgrades. Or do it over the shorter term. Maybe a month of upgrades with a large chunk of content at the end "made possible by our new upgrades under the hood". Or something. The average player *Needs*, like it or not, new content to keep them happy.

>.> you mean like "the Year of Upgrades". I'm not sure too many people are still around that remember that time, but after all the craziness and the discontent and everything, someone is back around to requesting one again. It's almost like history repeating itself over and over. The Year of Upgrades was a great idea in theory. In practices, practically no one wanted to play a game for a year with almost no new content. So please, no, NO Year of Upgrades V2.0. You think the player base is bad now, wait until half the player base is bashing jagex for no new content and the other half is basically saying that they are being whiny babies and jagex is not giving them new content "For The Good Of The GAME" and then the other side, every week is like *whine, whine* "we dont care about the game, we want shiny new quest nao!!!" and rinse and repeat every week for a year... I think I'm having flash backs... I think I need a cup of tea and a lie down.

The exp you get seems to depend on your skill level and what level token you have. With the dragon token, it seems to be 2.2x your skill level. At 99 fish/wc/mining I'm getting 218 exp. I'm still at x5 tears, so I don't' know if it changes at lower tear multipliers or not yet edit: still getting 218 xp at 4x multiplier.

I really wish they had done the the duke stuff per player or something. It's like every vote is decided by kids who neither realize that there is a budget, nor have any experience budgeting. It's making me crazy. We have limited money, what is going to come up in the coming weeks that we are really going to regret not having the money for? I know it doesn't *really* matter a hill of beans but it's gotten under my skin. Edit: Karamja volcano is Mt. Doom? If there is an elder ring, and we get a hold of it, there better be a pithy message if you use the ring on the volcano like there is when you use a herring on the Grand Tree. I guess you've never tried to destroy your ring of kinship at the ~lv55 wilderness volcano before, huh? well, i know what i'm doing to do next time i can fit all my stuff in my bank again (it's super due for a clean out after filling with random slayer drops :? but I've been too busy irl :mad: )

I really wish they had done the the duke stuff per player or something. It's like every vote is decided by kids who neither realize that there is a budget, nor have any experience budgeting. It's making me crazy. We have limited money, what is going to come up in the coming weeks that we are really going to regret not having the money for? I know it doesn't *really* matter a hill of beans but it's gotten under my skin. Edit: Karamja volcano is Mt. Doom? If there is an elder ring, and we get a hold of it, there better be a pithy message if you use the ring on the volcano like there is when you use a herring on the Grand Tree.

Whenever this happens, I can fix it by withdrawing a single coin from my pouch. I still don't know why that works but my guess is a buffer overflow of some kind... I've found that if I open up the world map then close it, this fixes the problem. I've had this problem *every time* I have banked during my slayer assignments.

funny, i reread everything and I don't see anyone mentioning that the ruins surrounding the thing in the middle: a) examine as demonic or b) are floating, only held down to the ground by chains I surmise that the ruins were caused when this thing seemingly crashed onto RS, so I think considering how these ruins got here to be clues to what the thing is. The demonic thing makes me think some kind of connection with Zamarok, but the floating makes me think of Armadyl and his Avananis, and clan citadels. Or, seeing how the wilderness was ravaged by the god wars, maybe the god wars knocked everything down before this thing crashed in. Either way, Jagex either plans something lore wise that makes the thing still a volcano, or they need to rename it a crater, because the way it looks graphically now, it appears that it was created by the impact of this object. The place was even originally called the bounty hunter crater (see http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Wilderness_Volcano + my own memory) I believe that at some point you are told that Guthix ended the god wars by telling the waring gods that they had to either follow the Guthixian edicts or he would destroy all of Gielinor. But regardless, here is the quote about Guthix ending the god wars. http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/God_Letters_Issue_13 This doesn't say anything about the stone of jas being used, but it certainly doesn't preclude that either. Either way, I'm still not convinced that this is guthixian . Basically the evidence for that so far has been "it looks very Guthix-y" and it might say behave on it. All we really know is that it was used as concept art at runefest for a new BH. It just seems more logical to me that it came down during the godwars, instead of afterwards.

Ok, this is the last post, I promise, but if you look carefully, the ruins float (they actually move up and down if you watch them in RS) and they are chained to the ground to keep them from floating away! Does this mean that this is the destroyed remains of a floating demonic city? And if this is true, why is it called a volcano. It doesn't even have the lava in it anymore.

I went up to look at this just now, out of curiosity, and this is what I saw: It's glitched because he's stuck in there, and I ran around and around the thing try to talk to him, but couldn't. He was there at least a minute or so before dispersing. He never moved or turned from that spot. I really, really wish I could have talked to him! Edit: I just logged back in to RS from posting this and he randomly appeared again. Wasn't there when I logged in, but appeared afterwards. Edit2: and he disappeared again. Only seems to hang about for a few minutes. And something else I noticed while hanging around was all the ruins examined as demonic ruins. Does this mean there use to be a demonic city or something that was destroyed? Also, why is it still called a volcano when it now looks far more like an impact crater?

To me, this last part is the absolute most interesting. He doesn't say, lose you as an ally (as in Sliske killing you), but losing Sliske as an ally, as in you actually being able to kill him, implying that he think that you killing Sliske is possible. So now we have the possibility of a new quest, finding or luring out Sliske, and killing him. [spoiler=Mahjarrats are kind and gentle]I think it is pretty clear from what we know of the mahjarrat that revenge for the death/undeath of a friend would be death to the person who caused it. (after all, several of the them are still trying to kill each other for slights made thousands of years ago, so I don't think they are big on forgiveness) Im not saying that our revenge couldnt be something less than the death of Sliske, but if he had done that to one of my allies, Id be using his skin as a rug and his bones on my mantel. Azzanadra didnt say he would help us seek revenge, or stop us, but only that he wishes we wouldnt. I also doubt anything we could do, unless directly backed by Azzanadra /Zaros, is going to make Sliske stop being their ally, unless he is dead. After all, Zaros is supposedly his god, though I think Sliske probably views everything as one of two things, a tool he can use, or an enemy to be destroyed. His allegiance to Zaros is probably just a tool to amass more power for himself. He will turn on us eventually anyway.

Yep. I noticed the same thing. When I got 90 xp (minimum magic xp from casting fire surge), which would usualy constitute a miss, I hit for 80 damage, showing up in an orange "max hit splat". So I assume that you deal at least 80 damage, even on a miss. [spoiler=possible explanation] Maybe that's the effect of the stone of jas boost.

[spoiler=Revenge]Personally, i think the best revenge would be to kill all his toys, and leave him a defenseless husk forced to work in the ge selling burrow's armor (for low low prices) to noobs. Maybe make him do magic tricks for money (can the master of shadows make a coin disappear. Ofc!) But I think that would leave 6 mound-shaped holes in rs, because you'd surly have to kill the brothers before you could do anything to him, like you said, and probably have to release them in much the same way as you released Arrav (as in permanently dead). But there are some things worst than death, especially for the immensely powerful. Being humbled comes to mind [spoiler=edit] the more and more i think about it, Sliske being forced to do magic trick in the ge for money would be the most hilarious thing ever. I'd pay money to see it.