Silvertaler

Hah. Your survival count is pathetic compared to my 1.687.489 "if you read this you will die" evaded deaths. Also, this is in 4 days, awesome. Means 200 million of those extremist christians will get to realise how deluded they are very soon. Can't wait to see their faces when nothing happens.

Sounds so much like Starcraft IRL.

The way I see it with girls it's more like they're the ones who curl up and you can either piss them off more or go away. It's a flirt thing. I don't get it much neither, you're not gonna change it though. Don't think too much about it. Indeed it's difficult to understand, it hurts your brain, it makes your life suck at school if you don't get the trick, and it's sometimes unnecessary. I was about to compare it to maths, but I just remembered maths actually make sense. But I guess as long as you know what's waiting for you, you can get the job done. This thread is actually interesting. So what do you think is worth doing in Ben's situation?

The way I see it with girls it's more like they're the ones who curl up and you can either piss them off more or go away.

After spending last night at Café de Paris, this is exactly what I'll be doing from now on. Met a really nice woman last night, didn't do anything because we were drunk, but she's making it a challenge for me to get anything out of her (as in, number etc), which I like. A lot. Shall see how it goes. I frankly don't get how you learn to appreciate such resistance. I mean, if somebody closes the doors to me like that, in my books it's because she doesn't like me. It makes no sense to me that somebody who likes me would pull of such amounts of resistance. What exactly goes in your mind, for you get into that kind of conclusion?

RS has to keep updating the game. I feel that for lower leveled people - they have TONS of alternatives to train (for most skills). It's not like they can just investigate the bots and not do anything in the mean time :/ There's tons of ways to update the game without encouraging botting. These cape updates not only encourage botting, but they're also of the most extreme kind.

War on bots? Right, that's why they're adding capes that require ridiculous amounts of grinding right in the middle of a serious bot invasion.

Yeah, individual botters generally aren't a problem. Maybe sometimes they KS you, but they could have been a real player doing the same thing. Gold bots however, crowd the game and corrupt the economy. Why is it that nobody here knows the difference between bots and gold bots? That's one term I rarely get to see on Runescape, yet there's so many of them out there.

Reading 5 paragraphs of posh english makes my head hurt, but if what you're saying is that people care about skills too much in this game then I agree. There's so much content, much superior in quality to skills, that people just don't explore because there are no "rewards". I wonder where such people find their definition of "reward". The best reward from a game is fun, not some pixel coins. I always supported the idea that quests were the best aspect of this game. Nobody still cares, which results in new quests sucking, and grinding getting encouraged, which then leads to botting. Aside from that. You know what people, in a few years companies will finally realize how pointless it is to fight bots in a MMORPG. It's pretty plausible they'll just distribute their own bots to make themselves more money and to make the game more interesting. Some of them have already started. Bots are a consequence of grinding, and most of these games have got way too much grinding involved. You can't just make a game that takes 10 years to finish, and expect people won't bot it, that's ridiculous. It's inevitable. Jagex may not be willing to raise the EXP rates by something like 100x, but botters are even less willing to stop botting. Probably a few typos out there but yeah whatever, I'm tired.

Thanks, but I think it's still nowhere close to meaning she'll be my girlfriend unfortunately. Work at it, it's easier than you think to make something out of it! :) If I learnt anything from this, it's to never "work" at it but rather let things come naturally.. well at least, this time I got a yes was the first time I wasn't "planning" anything.

Thanks, but I think it's still nowhere close to meaning she'll be my girlfriend unfortunately.

So yeah had been concerned about all that. Now out of random I saw one of my friend girls who I used to talk with before, nice person and all. Asked her if she'd like to come with me whenever I went to do some photography artwork, she sounded pretty happy to be invited and accepted. Just like that, totally random. It's not even like I know her much. I seriously don't get any of this anymore but for once it's taking me somewhere better now...

Jagex never runs out of creativity when it comes to encouraging botting.

Having a LOT of time to waste is definitely a requirement.

I meant fulltime job - after you get your degree or whatever. And it's very much comparable, it's just that in Runescape you don't get paid for it, unless you RWT... FFS Runescape is not a job. What world do you live in? Get out and get yourself a summer job or something, go explore the world. Games and jobs aren't even remotely comparable. And if you get yourself a fulltime job with a degree it's probably not one of the crappy repetitive jobs you get for summer. I mean seriously. Using the repetitive grinding of Runescape to "train" for jobs later? That's the most deluded anti-bot argument I've ever read in my whole life. People who hate grinding : 99% of Runescape. Most people who grind all skills to 99 do it for the "competition". There's no competition though, this is all about who plays the most, not about who's the best. I'd rather see it as: Normal players who enjoy all the content > botters > no-lifers

It makes the game more fun for you. The people who you're talking about are selfish [bleep]s. But then again, we are what we eat. Later on the cheaters rage whenever they lose at any games, while those who played with good intentions get a better long term gaming experience. @ people supporting the "if you don't like it, don't play it" argument: many skillers out there train skills they don't like at all. They do it only to surpass others. Shouldn't you be quitting the game too then, if it's also your case?

Well, no. While I couldn't care less about botters on MMO's, because of how braindead the grind is, hacking 100% PVP based games is pretty lame. You talk about fun? If you need a hack to win on a FPS, then it's that you're desperate to win against others. And if you're desperate in the first place it's because you're taking the game too seriously. Surprisingly, most people who hack don't do it to win. And a lot of people who do hack could completely wipe the floor against an opponent hack free. They do it because it's more fun jumping 600 feet in the air, launching a million RPGs a second and blowing everything up. :P. I do it because I make good amounts of money for taking a short time to write/maintain/update an undetected VIP hack. However, the topic is botting, RWT, and such. My hack example was just that; an example. People cheat because it's fun. They cheat because when they are done cheating, they now have the levels to do the fun things in a game. Who's "a lot of people"? That's the kind of people who download the game, play it for a week then get bored and uninstall it. But they're not so many. At least on the games I play, most hackers are desperate idiots who rage at you whenever they die.

Well, no. While I couldn't care less about botters on MMO's, because of how braindead the grind is, hacking 100% PVP based games is pretty lame. You talk about fun? If you need a hack to win on a FPS, then it's that you're desperate to win against others. And if you're desperate in the first place it's because you're taking the game too seriously. It's really selfish and egocentric that the only way you can play is at the expense of other people's fun. That's very weak minded, typical of people who live in their bubble. Playing fair against others while trying to improve yourself is not only more enjoyable, but it also helps you moderate your ego (which considerably improves your personality) and helps increase your IQ. The best games I ever had were those where both sides were very even, and where both sides were not cheating.

Since when has spending 12.000 hours of your life grinding all skills to 99 been moral anyway? You guys compare botters to addict smokers, and bot programmers to the corporate megalomaniacs who encourage people to smoke. Yet, if I could compare smoke addicts to anything in this game, I would compare them to no-lifers, not to botters. Grinding is an addiction, just like smoking. Botting isn't. The botters are more like smokers who take stuff to stop smoking. And Jagex obviously is a megalomaniac corporation feeding the addiction of players to make money. But then again comparing anything in Runescape to things in real life is pointless, like some guy said earlier this is a game, stop taking this so seriously.

Dedication perhaps, but certainly not hard work. People bot to kill the grind and it's just ludicrous how grindy RS really is. ^This. I wouldn't put the blame on the bots as much as most people do. The more braindead grinding there is in any game, the more botting it will cause. It's Jagex's choice to take so much risks. They're only harvesting something they planted themselves. livid farm >.> look at my stats ive done alot of grinding but that just drove me crazy why why why do that for the completionist cape <.< probably the stupidest content ever lol... Why do you think? Because the whole community decided to believe that skills are the main purpose of this game. If you don't have high skills, you're a "n00b". And Jagex abuses of that mentality to encourage you even more. They don't care about ruining your life, they care about the money. You and many others just go with the flow, surely you did skills you don't even like, didnt you? :/

Dedication perhaps, but certainly not hard work. People bot to kill the grind and it's just ludicrous how grindy RS really is. ^This. I wouldn't put the blame on the bots as much as most people do. The more braindead grinding there is in any game, the more botting it will cause. It's Jagex's choice to take so much risks. They're only harvesting something they planted themselves. I also fully agree with n64jive. I have botted in another MMO and I have no shame of it, it's a personal choice : bot and face the risks of getting banned, or don't bot at the cost of losing several hours of your lifetime. Never botted on Runescape because I didn't play for levels. Botting doesn't make people scum. It doesn't mean anything about a person's personality. I'd rather have botters than the "omfg n00b l0l0l0" type of players. And for those who complain so much about botters : I find it funny how skipping the hard work of quests with cheat guides seems fine to you, but skipping the massive grind of skills with bots already isn't. The only difference? Botting requires a 3rd party program. Both are cheats. In both ways you are not playing the game the way it's ment. And therefore, if you think one makes you "scum", the other makes you "scum" too. I say this because I'm pretty sure almost all you guys ranting about botters cheat the quests or whatever other part of the game requires some effort. So maybe before you go out calling botters "sad cheaters", "scum", "immature idiots" and what not, take a look at the mirror yourselves. This is not to call everybody who uses guides an idiot, I wouldn't care less. This is to point out the massive irony I'm seeing here.

Oh cut that already. That's true in the imaginary world where everybody lives by proverbs and principles. But this is the real world, people rarely live by reason in these situations. And even in the imaginary world I wouldn't agree with you, that sounds just like the prideful guy who doesn't know how to change strategies and just keeps digging himself into a hole he can't get out of. No, you don't just ask out a girl like that, you're absolutely right; you did it the wrong way. Admittedly, when you walk up to a girl at a club, she's kind of expecting it, whereas your crush was like a deer in the headlights. You're also supposed to attract her before asking her out. But really, if you're expecting to get anywhere without ever making mistakes, you're not going to budge. Not a bit. If you want to keep on doing nothing, just stick to shying away from challenge. The whole idea is that you should be learning from your mistakes, and not in a "yup, sounds like girls are just not for me" way. When I met my first girlfriend, all I did was talk about nothing serious at all, and every time I've met a girl who showed IOIs, I just didn't let myself be intimidated. Being witty and cocky is a good start, but being witty while remaining polite is best, I think, although it's much harder to say something funny without making fun of someone. But that entails meeting people. Remember, you have good reasons to be proud of yourself. You've shown yourself to have more balls than all the people who are making fun of you (a number which you are most likely grossly overestimating, by the way). Good reasons to be embarrassed, too, I must admit, but you'll get over it. I see a big difference between shying away from challenge and thinking before acting. Tell me, what would you have done after you failed a bunch of tries? Would you have gone like "oh screw it im not afraid of rejection" and kept trying the same way, or would you have gone something more like "wait, there's a problem here, better start being more cautious"? I don't know what I would have done, but I know David DeAngelo did a bit of both. He got rejected a bunch of times when he first started out, but at the same time I assume every rejection was a chace of learning something new for him. And now he's a pickup artist. Anyway, why the heck have some of you guys told me to go and talk to her straight forward in the first place, if you knew it was wrong? I didn't. We're not one single person, each of us has different ideas, etc. Maybe those people thought you might actually succeed, and they simply made a mistake too. Giving advice over the 'net is a hard life bro. Talking about mistakes... well frankly I'm very tempted to put the blame on the girls rather than on myself at this point. I might be a little paranoid coming here for advice and all (then again internet ftw) but it seems to me their level of paranoia transcends reality as we know it. One girl once told me and some friends that a guy at school was after her, inviting her sometimes and telling her nice things. And the way she felt creeped out about it sounded so darn unnecessarily exaggerated. Basically, she complained about the guy, because the guy thought she was cool. Seriously... isn't it a compliment to be liked by someone, rather than a personal attack or something? I don't know if this is related to age, or if its related to cultures, or if all girls in the world just like to talk crap about people who like them. What do you think it is? Is it like this for you too? All human beings, including the one you asked out, are flawed. In fact, she might be a total [bleep]. On one hand, this kind of situation can be hard to handle for the girl. Your feelings are on the line, and clearly things can get ugly, so the reaction you described can make sense. On the other, this can be an excuse for talking [cabbage], which is slang for making yourself feel better about your insecurities. Maybe she's genuinely worried about you, but you're right in that she might just be a particularly dislikable girl seeking attention. I find it hard to believe there was the slightest bit of an altruist intention in her decision.

Oh cut that already. That's true in the imaginary world where everybody lives by proverbs and principles. But this is the real world, people rarely live by reason in these situations. And even in the imaginary world I wouldn't agree with you, that sounds just like the prideful guy who doesn't know how to change strategies and just keeps digging himself into a hole he can't get out of. No, you don't just ask out a girl like that, you're absolutely right; you did it the wrong way. Admittedly, when you walk up to a girl at a club, she's kind of expecting it, whereas your crush was like a deer in the headlights. You're also supposed to attract her before asking her out. But really, if you're expecting to get anywhere without ever making mistakes, you're not going to budge. Not a bit. If you want to keep on doing nothing, just stick to shying away from challenge. The whole idea is that you should be learning from your mistakes, and not in a "yup, sounds like girls are just not for me" way. When I met my first girlfriend, all I did was talk about nothing serious at all, and every time I've met a girl who showed IOIs, I just didn't let myself be intimidated. Being witty and cocky is a good start, but being witty while remaining polite is best, I think, although it's much harder to say something funny without making fun of someone. But that entails meeting people. Remember, you have good reasons to be proud of yourself. You've shown yourself to have more balls than all the people who are making fun of you (a number which you are most likely grossly overestimating, by the way). Good reasons to be embarrassed, too, I must admit, but you'll get over it. I see a big difference between shying away from challenge and thinking before acting. Tell me, what would you have done after you failed a bunch of tries? Would you have gone like "oh screw it im not afraid of rejection" and kept trying the same way, or would you have gone something more like "wait, there's a problem here, better start being more cautious"? Anyway, why the heck have some of you guys told me to go and talk to her straight forward in the first place, if you knew it was wrong? Talking about mistakes... well frankly I'm very tempted to put the blame on the girls rather than on myself at this point. I might be a little paranoid coming here for advice and all (then again internet ftw) but it seems to me their level of paranoia transcends reality as we know it. One girl once told me and some friends that a guy at school was after her, inviting her sometimes and telling her nice things. And the way she felt creeped out about it sounded so darn unnecessarily exaggerated. Basically, she complained about the guy, because the guy thought she was cool. Seriously... isn't it a compliment to be liked by someone, rather than a personal attack or something? I don't know if this is related to age, or if its related to cultures, or if all girls in the world just like to talk crap about people who like them. What do you think it is? Is it like this for you too?

Oh cut that already. That's true in the imaginary world where everybody lives by proverbs and principles. But this is the real world, people rarely live by reason in these situations. And even in the imaginary world I wouldn't agree with you, that sounds just like the prideful guy who doesn't know how to change strategies and just keeps digging himself into a hole he can't get out of. Maybe there must be a lot of difference between the places in which we live. Here, things don't work the way you see them. Girls don't respect unknown guys if they come up to them and ask them out, no matter how much courage it takes from them. They don't give a damn if they can handle rejection or not. In my case she didn't knew how exactly I had handled rejection, and she still went talk crap to others. And that's how it's always been. I've been told it's because of their age? They're 18 now, even one girl who was 19 did the same [cabbage] to me and I actually knew her better. What is it that scares them so much about going out with a guy? There's nothing bad about it, it's not like somebody's trying to kidnap them. Can't get why they resist so much. So anyway besides the straight forward method, which obviously is a failure, what else is there I can do? I need to go through the friends part but yeah when you have no reason to talk and become friends in the first place... this really is the toughest game I ever played.

Man... fell so embarassed last time I asked a girl out... how can I ever get over this now, it's been so many times I failed to go out with girls that I barely dare even come on topics like this again. I was told I'd get courage wether or not she said yes. It wasn't true. Getting a no from a girl just builds up more underconfidence. I don't want it to get even worse for me, don't wanna add up another "no" to the list. Just what am I supposed to do? I just don't get why it's so hard for me. It's making me want to believe all girls decided to never get date me.