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95% ? Sure of that? Proof? What's so hard to understand? All those green dragon bots,turoth bots,wc bots,sorc garden bots,they are all for RWT they aren't someones main account. You think that they can sell hundreds of thousands worth of RSGP with one bot? They make thousand of them and make them farm same thing and then you don't make 100k/h you make 100M/h. I never claimed my numbers are correct,but RWT bots make majority of bots and that's for sure,even if they somehow don't I would still vote for free trade removal,because RWT bots made economy what it is today. And captchas are very annoying,I wouldn't want to see that in game That's not the point - it was simply to say that the figure you posted seemed highly unlikely and thus is likely to have been a fictitious figure. Hyperbole, or any other form of rhetoric, is considered a weakness in argument. Ok,what number were you thinking about? I wouldn't give a precise figure, because I just don't know. The chances are that the f2p bots are likely to be a more significant figure, and the types of bots used by RWTers and lazy people would be quite different. If I were to guess, I'd say f2p bots occupy at least 2/3 of all bots, as previously cheap membership pins are no longer available. I had a few friends that tried to bot in F2P,they all got banned in a few weeks,but a P2P buddy is still going strong and that's with using same script (woodcutting) idk if that was on purpose by jagex or what but I think that they ban F2P a lot more than P2P about membership,some sites are selling them for 7m rsgp so botters can make rl money w/o investing any in game (except script)

95% ? Sure of that? Proof? What's so hard to understand? All those green dragon bots,turoth bots,wc bots,sorc garden bots,they are all for RWT they aren't someones main account. You think that they can sell hundreds of thousands worth of RSGP with one bot? They make thousand of them and make them farm same thing and then you don't make 100k/h you make 100M/h. I never claimed my numbers are correct,but RWT bots make majority of bots and that's for sure,even if they somehow don't I would still vote for free trade removal,because RWT bots made economy what it is today. And captchas are very annoying,I wouldn't want to see that in game That's not the point - it was simply to say that the figure you posted seemed highly unlikely and thus is likely to have been a fictitious figure. Hyperbole, or any other form of rhetoric, is considered a weakness in argument. Ok,how much RWT bots do you think are out there?

95% ? Sure of that? Proof? What's so hard to understand? All those green dragon bots,turoth bots,wc bots,sorc garden bots,they are all for RWT they aren't someones main account. You think that they can sell hundreds of thousands worth of RSGP with one bot? They make thousand of them and make them farm same thing and then you don't make 100k/h you make 100M/h. I never claimed my numbers are correct,but RWT bots make majority of bots and that's for sure,even if they somehow don't I would still vote for free trade removal,because RWT bots made economy what it is today. And captchas are very annoying,I wouldn't want to see that in game

I don't understand what you want me to do? I posted my opinion,of course I can't know if they are 95% or another high number,but I'll bet anything that it is far more than main bots

RWT bots make 95% of bots,with removal of free trade they would be gone! Other 5% is nothing,idc if someone bots his hunter to 99,I care if economy is ruined and I can't make money

he already has cook over 100 rank,too bad,but in other skills,maybe attack if he doesn't start it soon enough,other than that I think he is safe

learn when that 15 seconds happen and brew just before that,so your stats will go back up in a second

private -> friends

you get 95k xp/h at lrc in mining?

you can't alch completitionist cape,that's all I know

Haha, not true at all =P It's funny how you keep complaining about donations even though you accept them yourself too. And I got to agree with miracleman58, I could still be #1 even if free trade was never returned. I was having money problems a bit with slayer but I could have killed frost dragons or nex for a while if needed. Also people still could have given me large donations if they sold me something which had a lot higher street price than ge price. I understand you don't like donations and might be a bit bitter about it but no need to give false information, thanks :) EDIT: Honestly it's not even that important for me if I am #1 or not but no need to try to make me look bad. EDIT2: Inb4 endless argument about this subject. You will always be #1 .

Really? What use will it be to take a screen shot when the 3d models with the letters are rotating in and out of view in addition to having to individually enter letters on a pad similar to the bank pin set up? Of course a human can solve it, and many OCR programs can decode standard CAPTCHAS now. But tell me a program that can reasonably get that info I describe to the real world captcha solvers? Bot clients can retrieve any and all data from RuneScape. They could retrieve the 3d model, the texture used on it, and the question. There's no software for it yet (because it doesn't exist obviously), but all it'd take is a few bot developers to get a few randoms and there'd be a anti-random for that in a heart-beat. :). Dozens of models wouldn't help much either. You can download and view every model used on RuneScape, without getting the random, through various readily available softwares. Again, there are two methods. First is a 2d image that's generated from a random 3d design. That's the type that can't be defeated by a program as you cannot tell me some program can recognize every possible angle of rotation on a human that can be in the middle of performing any possible action holding any possible combation of items. Such things are easily solved by humans since they can tell the letter on the chest of the guy sitting down, the number on the open mouthed dragon's wing plus 5 and the letter on the cape of the human holding an axe. That these images can be randomly generated means no program's going to reasonably defeat and will be quickly discovered unless all models are solved with 100% accuracy (otherwise, you just stop using the model that gets bombarded with correct answers while other models in it's group are wrong. Yeah, you got CAPTCHA solving services as mentioned in this thread, but thanks to the needed time (snapshot, send for solve, received solve, repeat for next question) you quickly identify such methods. Now, the other type where you have models that are moving/rotating defeat CAPTCHA solving services (unless they send videos). However, that's open to the problems you mention where you have models, skins and likely actions identified by programs. Still, you're trying to account for questions that can have enormous variance. Even then, you're stuck with the same problem that unless you solve each question and model with 100% accuracy, you basically are telling the company when one of the models of it's CAPTCHA is getting compromised. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of possiibilities. Yeah, you can know all the models, all the emotes, all the actions, all the clothing and weapons, all the hair. Thing is, there can be dozens if not hundreds of form questions that then are populated with these variances. This isn't I get you're a great programmer, but I think you're overstating what bots can do in this part. However, let me ask: The "answers" are basically all letters and numbers and common symbols (about 50 characters if we stick to capital letters). The character model is just the human model. The skins, each with a possible "answer" on it, are individually applied to either leg, either arm, chest, and head in addition to being mapped on various weapons, shields, capes. The models can do any activity a normal character can do. There can be upto four different models on screen with their relative position being obvious. How many multi-part form questions can you think of based on that (along the lines of "What is the symbol is on the shield of the person behind the man swinging a sword?"). You then have the option of generating a new scene for each question requiring three correct answers in a row within 10 questions else you get a 10 minute time out to limit seeing too many questions at once. Knowing all the variables that have to be accounted, how long would it take to create a 100% accurate bot that won't reveal itself by taking too long to solve the problem? my brother uses a free bot and it does randoms better than I ever will,when he got that cage random and you have to match key with lock,bot clicks on key before I could see what shape it was,bots hack client and see right answer in the code,they don't have to wait for keys to turn so they could see which one matches the lock,it's all in the code...

Nope no form of scamming besides I would call that luck based :P pking? i cant make 500k/h with these damn bots

how can you know that just from xp?

when you aren't talking about suomi in 200m all skills you are wasting time

is there any freaking way of making money other than merching,dicing or staking? or super.ultra high lvl boss hunting? skilling is [cabbage] now,they fing destroyed the game,remove stupid free trade,let us play the real runescape,not this crap REMOVE FREE TRADE¨!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now I feel better =)

hahaahahahhahaahahahahhahahahahaha made my day congrats,I'm going for 99 agile too

any other front page suomi has chance of getting?

Remove free trade,it ruined the game,you can't make money if you don't merch,stake or dice or kill bosses but you need high end gear and stats for that too... I voted for free trade but this is [cabbage],game got retarded

get them all to 70,it really easy,you have stable account and you can do most things,from there decide where to go next =)

NO UPDATE?? OMG LANGER QUIT TIP.IT

What's best mining method if you aren't superheating? Still LRC? how much xp/h ?

Is maxed all 99 or 120 dung?

I have 2k torstol that I paid 86M for,talk about bad investment =) Hope they go up...

this is gonna be legen.. wait for it ... dary