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the time calc says suomi has 4700 hours left to all 200ms. so i think before 2013 he will be all 200ms. Lets make that 4800 hours to make it easier to calculate. 4800 hours divided by 24 hours makes 200 days playtime. Lets say that SUOMI plays 10 hours a day that makes it 480 real days. Which is 1,5 years. Which would suggest that he would get it in the first few months of 2013. But that would mean, no new skills, SUOMI playing 10 hours a day for 1,5 years without wasting xp, the calcs being perfect, no new quicker ways for skills that he still has to do and you can go on with that list. I estimate with one or two new skills coming out he would have 200m all skills in 2014. 1. suomi doesn't play 10 hours a day 2. skills are going to be faster in the future 3. there is a little change there's gonna be a new skill next year. 2 skills 100% not... 4. 480 days is not 1.5 years i think suomi can do 200 days in 365 days. im sure he did over 200 days the last 365 days. suomi 200m all before 12/21/2012 ftw 1. I explained that in my post, read it again "but that would mean SUOMI playing 10 hours a day for 1,5 years" 2. said that too 3. I am not so sure about that, 2 skills would be strange but Jagex has done it before and I was talking about 1,5 years not one year. 4. As you said yourself SUOMI doesn't play 10 hours a day so it will take him longer, I noticed I rounded it to much after i hit reply but I didn't bother editing it because SUOMI won't play 10 hours a day for that long. It is not really possible to do 200 days in 365 days as the calcs use mostly the best methods. I don't want to burst your bubble, but I've watched Suomi's Xp gains for the past 3 years and he's definitely AVERAGED MORE than 10 hours a day the entire past 3 years, every day included. There's a certain level of consistency he has that everyone else but Drumgun lacks.

the time calc says suomi has 4700 hours left to all 200ms. so i think before 2013 he will be all 200ms. Lets make that 4800 hours to make it easier to calculate. 4800 hours divided by 24 hours makes 200 days playtime. Lets say that SUOMI plays 10 hours a day that makes it 480 real days. Which is 1,5 years. Which would suggest that he would get it in the first few months of 2013. But that would mean, no new skills, SUOMI playing 10 hours a day for 1,5 years without wasting xp, the calcs being perfect, no new quicker ways for skills that he still has to do and you can go on with that list. I estimate with one or two new skills coming out he would have 200m all skills in 2014. I'd have to disagree on the last bit. At most I think there's going to be one skill next year and we'll have to see about the xp rates. I still think he will get it in either early or middle 2013. That is, if the world doesn't end in 2012! :P Knowing Jagex, they are going to relase some faster training methods, so we might expect it even sooner. You also don't know how the xp will be for the new skill. If it'll be as fast as Dungeoneering, then it's no problem. But I guess they'll go with a slower paced skill next. Jagex has already stated that they are not working on a new skill and have no immediate plans on doing so. Instead, they're making a new major gameplay feature that they feel RS is missing that it dearly needs. Of course, what this is is a complete secret because that's how Jagex rolls.

At Dorgesh-Kaan and Gnome, the races were mass races of everybody stacked on top of each other going at once. We did these all the time lol. Barb really changed that with the rope swing stealing. In fact, it destroyed group Agility training altogether, which is one of the things I'm really upset about with Agility these days. We're all forced to avoid each other now and can at most only have 1v1 races. I've had to deal with solo training with bots for the past year which is pretty sad tbh. Now if Jagex were to implement a new course that actually didn't have something like that [cabbage] rope or, heaven forbid, actually fix the damn rope swing, I'd be very eager to stay around longer and reform the Agility Guild. That's probably the biggest thing I miss the most about Agility, being able to train with lots of other legit players at no cost to my Xp/hr and being able to race them one after another with every lap.

I've done races like you describe for years. The 2 videos above are the finals of 2 separate tournaments I hosted. The first had 8 participants with one elimination and the second had 16 participants with two eliminations. In the first one, everyone put in 3m, the winner got 18m, and the runnerup got 6m. In the latter one, I donated 110m of my own money to the race and there was no entrance fee. It was focused around the top Agility people all competing with each other to see who was the best. Everybody was placed into 2 brackets each and both ran on simultaneously. The winner of each bracket was then supposed to compete with each other in the finals. The winner of that final race would get 100m and the loser 10m. As it turned out, the same guy won both brackets, so that race never happened (he'd have to race himself...lol), so he got the full 110m. The tournament races were structured around 1v1 pairs. Each race consisted of 3 rounds. A round ended when a person lost a tick, with the other person being the winner of that round. Each race had 2-3 rounds, depending on the results. It was structured as the best of 3 rounds (2 wins, 1 loss or 2 wins, 0 losses) moves on. While the concept seemed good on paper, there were some problems. The biggest is that lag and luck plays a massive role in who wins. If this were held between people with low Agility Xp and high Agility Xp, it'd be different. But with so many high Agility people (100m+ Xp) who could do perfect laps consistently, anyone who had the bad luck of having a lagspike or a random popup during a race pretty much got screwed. In my opinion, I think there needs to be a top course that are both longer and more complex, without going up/down different levels, but staying on the same "floor" and not having a random factor that causes people to get out of sync. I used to host dozens of races in the past at the Dorgesh-Kaan and Gnome courses, and they worked a whole lot differently than current races do since people couldn't maintain sync with each other the entire way.

Seems to me like they're some sort of pure/staking account. The #1 agiler record is a bot. I gave up trying to catch back up. :(

It's 80k Xp/hr if it's 6 ticks per repeat.

Off topic response: [hide]About 3.5 years ago I joined the World 89 Dorgesh-Kaan Agility Guild that Zarfot had founded. It wasn't much and he had abandoned it after getting 99 Agility. I ended up taking it over and building it up. After a few months, he "realized" what was going on. I had already told him awhile ago point blank what I was doing, but he obviously hadn't understood. He didn't like it that someone else was running the guild he had made, and I really don't blame his following reaction. He tried banning me from the guild, but since almost nobody really knew Zarfot (this was before his fame and he was never in the cc), most guild members just joined me in another clan chat where he had no power. This was the first confrontation we had together. We eventually came to a compromise and agreed to become coleaders. 2 weeks later, just before I was heading for vacation, he decided to gang up with a 3rd coleader that I had requested previously and banned me from the guild. After that backstab, we fell out again and didn't get along for some time. After things calmed down, we later added each other back again, but he wouldn't let me back into the guild. I watched from the outside as the guild started falling apart since Zarfot had once again abandoned it. The only times he's ever used the clan chat was when the drama with me brought his interest to the guild back. The rest of the time he spent in his personal clan chat trying to build that up and helping out people who had questions with his forum guides. Anyways, since the guild was doing poor, I asked Zarfot again to let me back in and run it again. He finally just gave up and instead of doing that, simply disbanded the guild. Me and some other members finally remade it sometime later with his permission. This all happened a year before the particular event you're referring to. We've been friends and enemies on and off, so he had a dislike for me for awhile. But he always "respected?" me enough to add/talk to me whenever I requested it of him (through mutual friends). Anyways, in that particular situation, I had made a video showing my friends and their ranks on the hiscores. Since he was in it a lot, he started pestering me with questions until I got so annoyed that I just burst. At this, I also really don't blame him, as I would do the exact same to someone today who did what I did *cough* Arib *cough*. All I can say about that is that we were all noobs at one point. I don't really hate Zarfot and I do think he's a great skiller, but I don't like some of his personal views on things and we have such a history of bad fights/drama that it's really hard to actually like him, particularly after the multiple backstabs he's done to me. Hate is a strong word, and I wouldn't describe his feelings towards me as such. I'd say he has a low opinion of me.[/hide]

The problem I have with that argument Zoj is that it also gives an excuse for anyone who decides to bot while they're sleeping, as that is the most efficient and fits into your description.

hai there, nice to see you back to forums! :) It takes more effort for someone that got 200m ALL skills and merched for his cash than someone that got 200m ALL skills and got donations instead of paying some effort to make his own cash. It also takes more effort for someone to get 200m in all skills purely DIY. It's all relative tbh. So looking at it relatively, with Suomi's stats already being far better than any other player out there, not accepting donations would simply be adding an extra challenge to his goal. Adding donations does devalue it a bit, sure, but relative to every other player in the game, he's still the #1 lead guy in achievements, so it really doesn't even matter whether or not he does take donations as it won't change that fact lol.

I think he got 13m xp and then 18m from tickets. See description of : "This video shows some of my training methods, as well as my 99 Agility from obstacles at Brimhaven party and my final ticket count of 50k(exactly 16m Xp stored). I used all of them on August 12th, where I proceeded to set a 2m day and 10m week record at the Advanced Barb course in addition to the tickets. These are visible on Runetracker." It was about 15m Xp from obstacles and 16m Xp in tickets, although add about 1m Xp for previous training I've done there. I don't have the most time spent at Brimhaven or the most tickets ever held though. The closest person to 200m Xp in tickets would be Skwysh, at 107k, about 40m Xp's worth depending on if the new 10% refer-a-friend system stacks with gloves. She quit RS though, so don't expect that amount to go up. The next highest is Thee Ace, at around 80k tickets, but he hardly even plays anymore (not that he ever played a lot) and it's taken him 3 years to collect that amount, so it's unlikely he'll make it much further. A Cole recently set a goal for 200m Xp with tickets from his current Xp and he used to be the record holder for most tickets traded in at once until Szef (47k tickets) and I did more. He doesn't have much atm however. He had 40k back then (before Runetracker). Fatdudu is another player that does Brimhaven, although he stopped doing it straight awhile ago and he actually doesn't store up that much, but trades in every 10k tickets usually. Someone mentioned that Lover Romeo used Brimhaven in the past for some of his Xp. This isn't true, although if he had done any Brimhaven, it would have been for an insignificant amount, like less than 1m. It was his predecessor, Inuyasha8750, that had held the previous record of most tickets traded in at once before A Cole's 40k. Inu had around 29k tickets that he traded in for a 10m Xp boost that he used to jump to 26m Xp to get an instant 1m lead on Dakini Sword and take rank 1 in Agility. There are a few other retired players that have done some Brimhaven, but they never had big stacks of tickets.

Actually Agility bots are extremely easy to detect once you know what to look for. I've only stared at their running patterns around the course for the past year...

Hahaha, I never said that? I even said last page it takes a lot skill and effort. Honestly some people just write on this thread so they can argue about something... so many people write posts like this "I lost respect for you" etc etc etc for some reason. I don't mean to sound rude but I couldn't care less, I don't even know you. Never asked for your respect. If you don't respect me, that's fine. Already said that so many times. No need to make post about it unless you really want to start arguments. All those things you have said I have heard at least million times and you of course have right to your opinion but this thread is full of posts like that, how does it help anyone? Tbh I lost my respect for you because you can't even read what I write. I miss how rs used to be too but I am not going to blame just Jagex, rs community has gone really downhill. Full of scammers/hackers/haters/trolls who do nothing but try to annoy or harm each other. I don't understand why people would come to play a game which is ment for fun to do that? I guess they find it funny but still... hard to understand. Sorry about very negative post but I hear all kind of stuff from people who don't even know me and I haven't done anything to them. Honestly don't people have better things to do than complain about someone getting free pixels? I can find so many more important things to do... But like you said, don't let my views affect you and just live how you want to. I'm sorry for misreading your post. I guess the way I read it it seemed like you were pulling a drumgun and dissing merchanting to boost your own achievements (making donations seem not that bad). I tried not to entirely direct the post towards you, because you're not the only one I feel that way about. I feel lots of the top players don't deserve to be ranked as high as they are, because lots of them Diced/donations and Telmo who was a gen in smoking mills. It's just dissapointing that very few of the top 15 got to where they are by themselves. The reason I only mentioned you was because it's obviously no secret you take donations, but the other top players I don't know much about and am not 100% sure if they diced, etc and don't really wanna say they did if they didn't. Probably a big reason they wanted to be in the top 15 in the first place was for the "e-fame" and when people use dice/donations to get there I lose my respect for them. Not saying that you do it for e-fame though S U O M I. Mainly I don't see why you take donations. This is just my oppinion, but I feel that if you worked for it yourself you would feel a lot better. You may have to spend a year at frosts or something, and you'll complete your goal a lot slower having to make the money yourself, but in the end, others and you will probably have more respect for your huge accomplishment. Don't feel like you have to take donations to "keep" up and stay ahead of the dicers. Taking donations is just an easy way out. You're still neglecting the fact that Suomi is already miles ahead of every other player in the game in terms of non-buyable stats. Nobody else has put nearly as much work into non-buyables as he has. Any buyable Xp is insignificant to begin with, since buyables are already of pretty low value. That said, the only players that even have 200m in buyables are those that are capable of making money easily. Nobody grinded 2k+ hours for their 200m prayer lol. Taking donations doesn't really devalue Suomi's achievements compared to others considering how he's one of the few in the game to have actually put in real work into his account.

My daily experiences revolve around hanging with my RS friends and enjoying their company. I train Agility with them and they do Agility as well. I've come across hundreds of people over the past year and a half who have known about and supported my goal without my needing to tell them about it. A good majority of these end up being annoying noobs/fans asking the same stupid questions and I got sick of it long ago. The people who know me and have seen me interact with these fans can all tell you that I don't [bleep] over them and that I will easily get ticked and rage at them/kick them if they start asking questions. I have experienced these people since I first started getting a lot of Agility Xp and I have absolutely no motive whatsoever to desire dealing with more of them. Any other skiller who is well-known in RS can easily tell you how [bleep]ing annoying noob fans are. Many just ignore them or, like Suomi, put up with it just for the sake of appeasing them and getting donations. I personally can't stand them half the time and don't even bother playing nice. Some others are like me. You guys don't hang with me on a daily basis and you don't see my interactions with people. Instead, you use your preconceived notions of me to see only what you wanna see: an egotistical player that is obsessed with fame and trying to be better than Lover Romeo. You subvert every tiny thing I say to fit into that image and refuse to accept that that isn't the real me. The only thing I hate worse than fans that idolize me are damn trolls who think they know me better than they actually do. I've dealt with this [cabbage] for years and I'm honestly sick of it.

My posts here have been an attempt to educate people on the truth of the matter. A group of people decided to spread lies about me and people like you have fallen for them. Like someone mentioned earlier about Elias, it's insultive to pretend to know somebody. I have repeatedly stated my feelings many times and you guys just refuse to listen to what I say. You're being willfully ignorant. I don't give a [cabbage] about Romeo and the only time I ever talk about him is when I'm dealing with you stupid trolls. I don't go around calling myself #1 in Agility and I don't give a [cabbage] about where I show up on the hiscores. The only thing about Romeo that annoys me is his fans who have got it into their head that Romeo and I are enemies or that I feel jealousy towards him. He is just another player to me and I'm utterly sick of listening to people claiming that they know my true feelings better than I do. Like I said before, the only people who TRULY know me are most of the other top Agility ranks and a handful of other individuals in TMOA. Any one of them could confirm for you what I've been saying.

Nobody doing post-200m feels this and it's a misconception that people have had of me. It's a misconception to think everything is about you. Edit: That sounded trollish, but what I mean is I'm making a generalization on the reasons for people wanting the experience cape raised, it doesn't mean you or others doing post-200m(and those maxed at 200m) are necessarily conceited, but there are some. Name one of the 4-5 people doing post-200m Xp that is doing it because they feel animosity towards a higher rank and not because they just enjoy the skill. I mentioned me because I'm the only one I've heard about that people have claimed such a thing about. People are too quick to jump to conclusions and it's sickening tbh.

Nobody doing post-200m feels this and it's a misconception that people have had of me.

It's their choice to suicide tho tbh. The only reliable way of tracking and proving what you've done is to base it around tokens and having proof of the last time you traded in.

I don't think it was ever secret. I've known for awhile now and others have known even longer than me.

I already know and I accidentally said Xp out of habit because that's what I had not that long ago. I still have the most time by far tho. Concerning Matt, it is a bit questionable how the account he said he was doing 400m on ended up not being the real account, which makes me wonder where this one he did his 2nd 200m on came from. He made many threads all over the place saying it would be the Makin Wines account. The lies and secrecy just raise some doubts, although I don't mind recognizing the 400m Cook. For anyone who cares, I'm at about 6.6k-6.7k hours of Agility training atm. This is excluding periods of inactivity, therefore showing a more accurate representation.

Alone, sure. But if Jagex raised the Level limit to 120 or higher for all skills, then it'd be perfect.

It's a poor excuse for people to stop training. I remember the days when ranks actually meant something, before people got 200m's. People talk about 200m's nowadays like it's nothing, but it was only a few years ago when many rank 1's didn't even have 200m as a goal. Now ranks in skills are completely meaningless, with people not giving a damn about rank 1 in cooking, dg, or even agility. Ranks become more meaningless as more people become tied at 200m Xp. Ranks would still have meaning and did have meaning in the past back when it was actually possible to lose your rank. It's a real achievement to be able to hold off everyone else instead of having been lucky to have played RS at a specific time years ago. By having no limit, it adds more challenge for each rank and therefore gives more of an accomplishment and more value to each rank. tl;dr alert I don't see why you think my goal is any different from Suomi's. I HONESTLY DON'T CARE ABOUT A RANK 1 IN AGILITY TITLE. 1bil is a pretty number and a hard goal to aim for and that's why I'm doing it. It'll be a real achievement, unlike 200m Agility which I consider is too easy. This is a test of endurance for me. I want the Xp cap removed not for me, as I wouldn't even touch Jebrim I, but for others to have the chance to compete for that rank 1 in a skill. The skill hiscores are dead atm and are completely meaningless. Removing the Xp cap would make them have value again.

And about your comment about rank 1's deserving their rank, that is hardly the case. All rank 1's just happened to be playing RS earlier than other players and I know plenty of nolifers who deserve a better rank because they worked harder. If there were no cap, then playing earlier would only give an advantage (early lead). Playing later would also give an advantage (faster Xp). This way they're balanced out and the person that gets #1 would truly have earned it. It would be far more valuable an achievement than someone who managed to find an excuse to stop training. With no limit, if you stop, you risk losing #1 and giving somebody else the chance at having #1. The real achievement goes to the guy who manages to maintain #1 in that case. You're impressed by Romeo having maintained #1 in both skills and "holding off the competition". I do agree that 200m in both is a good achievement and is in fact still further along than what I've achieved so far personally. But you're wrong to think that Romeo beat out the competition. He had none. His only competition was in Agility and he got #1 because that competition had gotten banned (and no, not for botting). NOBODY trained Mining or Agility long-term straight. It isn't like today. Back then people stopped at 20m or 30m Xp and just kept their rank 4 or whatever. There was a status quo until someone else trained up and some people decided to train a little to defend their rank. Lover Romeo was the first to actually train the same skill straight, first taking over Mining and getting rank 1, which also happened to have less high ranks than Agility. He held rank 3 in Agility during this time for 6 months between 20m and 30m Xp during 2006. This is to show how little competition there was. From this time onwards, he was training either Agility or Mining. He was the ONLY player in the game to focus on the same skill like this. He did long-term Mining for many months and then swapped to Agility for a few months and when he did finally take Agility #1 after Inuyasha8750 got banned, he did Agility straight for many more months to catch it up to his Mining Xp. From then on he went back and forth more frequently, doing only 1-3 months in a single skill straight. He did what nobody back then was willing to do and that's how he got #1 in both skills. Inuyasha8750 held rank 1 in Agility for 2 years. He got 40m Xp a couple months after taking #1 and stopped there. 1 year later he was only 55m Xp and #2 (the previous #1, Dakini Sword) had only went from 26m to 35m with Romeo sitting at 30m in 3rd place. The next year Inu got banned but even then he was only 71m Xp. ROMEO HAD NO COMPETITION. This is just Agility btw. Mining was in an even worse state, since it was considered by many to be the hardest skill in the game. Let's just say that Romeo easily had a huge lead in this. Romeo never nolifed; he played consistently and didn't swap skills all the time like other players at the time did. He was the first of a generation to do a single skill a lot and that was how he got to 200m in both Mining and Agility first. People talk about him "beating me", but I honestly wasn't even around then to compete with him. By the time I got 99 Agility, Romeo had been in the top 3 in Agility for 2 years (#1 for a full year too already) and had 150m Xp in both Agility and Mining. There was no race, no direct competition. He's not a noob, but neither is he awesome (or me for that matter). I respect his achievement with Mining and do recognize him as having put in the most effort out of any Miner. With Agility, both myself and Skwysh have put in more time and effort than he has and that is simply a matter of fact. Obey The Cow is about equal with him timewise. As a player, he has good achievements, but the RS ranks themselves are meaningless (since it only shows who started real skilling first). Instead, you have to look into the details of each person's training methods and how much time they put into it to get a better understanding on who has achieved more. Being lucky hardly counts. I don't hate Romeo, but I also don't recognize him as the best in Agility. For that matter, I don't even consider myself the best. The only thing I consider myself as is having spent the most time/effort and obtained the most Xp in Agility out of any other player in the game. In fact, like I said earlier, I have the most out of any skill. This much I am proud of and it IS a PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENT, not some shallow thing that I use to have an excuse to get e-fame with.

1b isn't even a rank goal btw. My goal is very personal and you honestly don't seem to understand that. I found 200m to be too easy and I wanted something harder to achieve. In the past, I used to be a noob. Everybody has to go through that stage at some point, even if they react differently to the situation. At one point I was fascinated with some famous people and wanted to be like them. It was a noob fantasy and I've long since experienced all the stress and annoyances that comes with noobs [bleep] over you. I do enjoy being respected, but I don't like mindless idolization and, in particular, dealing with annoying, stupid, and repetitive questions. I also don't like people who think they know everything about me and troll/flame me without truly understanding my motives and who I am as a person. The only people who actually know the real me very well are the top pagers in Agility and a handful of other individuals in my clan. Everyone else is just pretending/ignorant. The specific screenshot you're referring to is actually part of a conversation I was holding with Zarfot about a video I had made showing off my friends to some other friends. It was a stupid and nooby thing of me to even consider it awesome to have high ranked friends and if I was dealing with someone else now that had made that exact same kind of video, I would have attacked that person just as Zarfot had done me. He kept pushing with questions about why I posted the video that kept getting me frustrated until I snapped and just rageposted what you see in the screenshot. I consider that time 2 years ago as still part of my noob days and it wasn't until after I started my 1b goal that I really saw my foolishness. Personally, I think that the experiences I've had as a highly recognized and respected player (among most people who know me) has helped me evolve as a person in a way that I otherwise would not have been able to. My experiences have helped me learn a lot about dealing with people and has helped me build a big resistance to being impressed and becoming an idolizer. Looking back, if I was given the choice to change my decisions, I'd probably decide not to. I've become a person I'm happy with and I doubt I would've become this way had I done things differently.

You just claimed you didn't play for goals/achievements and then said you did. There is no distinction with what I'm talking about and what you're referring to. I also don't play for e-fame and what fame I do have is only for people to be able recognize my unique achievement without me having to log onto my other account all the time to prove it. I have a lot of good friends on RS in my clan and I pretty much play to hang out with them tbh. "I think it's better to have personal goals which you can feel good about than to just go for extreme goals which will bring you E-fame for a little while and get you nothing." What about my goal is not personal and that I don't feel good about? Any bragging I've done is because I've felt PRIDE and felt good about my achievements. Concerning those who go just for e-fame, anyone who knows me can tell you that I'm a big critic of attention-seeking youtubers who have no real RS achievements. Don't confuse them with me.

When have I ever flamed Romeo??? I have nothing against the guy personally and I'm one of the few who have actually trained with him. Calling him slow was simply a statement of fact, not an insult. Concerning Zarfot's picture and the "in Romeo's shadow" quote, I was expressing my frustration about how the people who managed to play more were ignored (me and Marlin) and how Romeo got the focus due to his having started Agility sooner. I had simply wanted more recognition for my efforts. Keep in mind that this was also 2 years ago and is not even relevant to my 1b goal, which came later. I have since gained the recognition I wanted and am satisfied at where I am today. There are many Agility people nowadays who have nolifed a lot, even more than me now, that get absolutely no recognition for their efforts. They might actually have something more to hope for if this 200m limit didn't exist and it's a real shame that they have to live under both mine and Romeo's "shadows" after putting in all that work. I'm doing my 1b because 200m is a silly limit and I don't feel like stopping. The title of "Rank 1" in Agility is irrelevant because it is so meaningless and at most would just be a side achievement. I didn't get 300m and stop after all; I'm still going. A more valuable title/achievement that I have earned that is better than "Rank 1" in any skill would be the Player With The Most Xp/Time Spent In A Single Skill. You can hate me for having a goal for such a huge achievement, with rank or otherwise, but that would be ignoring that RuneScape and skilling is all about going for achievements. If you don't have pride for your achievements and don't strive for something larger, why even play?