Grand Lord Dan

No, Sara got the 'Armadyl Crossbow'. Says so in the examine. And yes, Zam drops the robes.

Eh? Source/proof? ...This is the first I've heard of it :oops: I'd read about it weeks ago on one of the many Beta forums. That's about the best proof I got.

Nope. Unless they slipped it in very quietly two or so weeks ago. Actually yes, they DID slip it in a few weeks ago.

Just got this on one of my throw away accounts. Okay. Erg, dunno how to make that appear as the picture and not a link.

I believe that's Grifolific armour, some kind of middle tiered melee tanking magic gear.

Has anyone even gotten a double barrows item loot yet? I don't think I've actually heard of anyone getting double items from this update...

That IS a trimmed one. The always-white lines on a normal Completionist cape turn gold on a trim.

Just because this amuses me so much, let's go learn something from the completely reliable and never wrong Knowledge base! "The Baneore cave is where the Stone of Jas was housed until recently. The cave is the source of the only ore known to be harmful to dragonkin and due to the magical energies that the Stone of Jas emitted over CENTURIES within the cave, it is also home to glacors." So, according to our everfaithful KB, the Stone has been here for a very long time; making the Glacors ancient creatures indeed!

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN :blink: I'm so ashamed of still not able to get sub 10 minutes ;_; Anyways, a few tidbits I found out in FOG. The blastbox works just like it would normally, as well as the extra damage splat every 5 turns. Also, trapping your opponents behind a rock is so useful if they are meleeing only, with a fast weapon. It decreases their DPS so much it guarantees me a win no matter what level :thumbup: Houses are surprisingly useful to hide from your opponent, in fact I made a level 124 quit because they can't find me :D got 1.4k charges that round too. Interesting to know about the box. Does this also include not needing your own runes or no? I have a lv60 FTP noob that I play on almost exclusively to play FoG on, and its best CB style is magic... As for VSing high levels, I actually have a picture of my noob back at lv53 CB beating about a 115 in FoG by like 900 charge to 600. Was hilarious when I'd seen I won.

Hey look, I can see myself online! :P

Note to self: Make some abyssal lurker pouches and sell them.... The second he told me that, I did that exact thing and ran off to make 24. Gave one to him, test sold one for only 10k. I sadfaced. The other 22 sold slightly later on for 25k each though, lol.

Some people want to complete the game as such, or have OCD and cant rest not knowing there is something they havent done. This is the kind of thing I 'suffer' from, the need to have it all. I'm sure some day I'll be walking around in a trimmed cape, but for now I work on Max... Either way, the reason for not going even further crazy IS valid. There ARE people, like me, who have this undying need to have everything the game has to offer.

I'm pretty sure that I can manage 80 kills an hour. Still comes to 50 hours, which is really not a joke. Actually, if you completely ignore meat, the killrates hit 120-150 an hour. This coming from an Expert Dragon Archer.

You think you have bad luck? Uploaded with ImageShack.us Not mine, but a friends. You can't get much worse than that...

Alright, so I keep seeing all these different tactics discussed, and virtually every one of them denounces what I'd been previously told to be better then everything else. So what exactly is best to use for each phase/mage? Is maul pointless to bring, how better are Ruby supposed to be over Diamonds?

focus is more on faster kills with smaller teams, since there is no killcount problem anymore Thus meaning Void is more important now. Alright, thanks.

With Nex updated to be a little more realistic, has anything changed in how she's taken down?

I'd say water would be more effective. Like ice is normal effective on fire if you see it from a Pokémon perspective. But eh, It's Runescape, not Pokémon :) Totally offtopic, but Pokémon wise, Ice is not very effective on Fire. :P

1/100 could be closer to the truth, actually. no no, hes correct, read his post closer 1/1024 for each item is my educated guess. Slightly off topic, but does anyone have a picture or confirmation of effigies from Nex (obviously only applies to FFA)? I've seen conflicting information but no confirmation. There's a few Alogs floating around that have FFA effigy drops on them. Don't have any names off top of my head, though.

It has numbers all over, what more were you looking for?

I've seen the video, although I'm not sure if my friend has. I'll pass it to him tomorrow, see what he has to say on it.

This is mostly a copy/paste of a thread on the RSOF my friend wrote up that him and I compiled data on concerning which we thought would be best for killing Nex, posting it here since the only forum he uses is RS, and I figure we'd get more useful debates here at Tipit. Yes, I have his permission to post this here. QFC: 17-18-319-62393313 There has been continuous discussion and massive change in what is considered the "best" way to gear up and kill Nex, but now that FT has occurred and her drop table is worth in excess of 15b, it has become realistically profitable to kill her once again. (Assuming a little more GE movement, or very trustable teammates) Therefore I feel its time to really start culminating real information instead of hearsay and wishful thinking. For the purpose of the thread we're going to discuss elite gear, since the idea is to get as small of a team as possible while still being efficient. Many things must be discussed; 1)Bolts, Ruby vs Diamond 2)Special Weapon 3)Gear, many many many options _a)Hybrid, Karils + v-helm + divine with c-maul _b)Hybrid, Void range + melee helm + divine with c-maul _c)Range Only, Void Range + Divine _d)Range Only, Void Range + Pernix Body + Deflector _e)Range Only, Full Pernix + Divine 1)Bolts I've tested this a decent amount personally between me and a few friends. We've worn very similar gear and we're similar in skill level based on how many Nex kills we've ever done (to try to get as close as possible in number of ticks wasted due to skill) So far we've seen no difference in the xp per kill between ruby and diamond bolts. That leads me to conclude pure diamond rather than ruby then diamond on zaros phase is better. Damage is a toss up, but why hurt yourself if you don't have to for faster kills? This seems doubly certain if you decide the superior gear is range void as well due to the fact that ruby specs would still hit 500 white diamond specs would gain the damage boost. I have yet to test this theory personally but the math supports it. Conclusion; Diamond if in void, Toss up if in karils/arma 2) Special Weapon Claws for everyone except lurer regardless of gear, even if in range only set up. Dark bow for lurer appears the best and the consensus. I see no reason to dispute this at this time. Even pure range set up dark bow is not worth it due to the extra pot you'd be giving up for the dragon arrows and the extra complication of switching between ammo. Do not use enchanted excal. Fumus must die as soon as humanly possible for the kill to be successful. Conclusion; Claws 3)Gear, many many many options By the numbers, a)Hybrid, Karils + Verac Helm + (Barrows) Gloves + Divine with Maul Range Attack (Accuracy Guesstimate) : 206 (352) Prayer Bonus : 11 Melee Attack/Strength Bonus : 28/20 Inventory Slots Open (Brews and Super Prayers) : 50 Pot Mix : 17 Super Prayer / 33 Brews ( 30925 Lp ) Max Hits : Diamond (e) : 390 (449), Maul : 576 Unicorn Lp : 5328 b)Hybrid, Void Range + Void Melee Helm + Divine with Maul Range Attack : 149 + Void (325) Prayer Bonus : 16 Melee Attack/Strength Bonus : 16/8 + Void Inventory Slots Open : 49 Pot Mix : 15 Super Prayer / 34 Brews ( 31863 Lp ) Max Hits : Diamond (e) : 469 (540), Maul : 600 Unicorn Lp : 5328 c)Range Only, Void Range + Divine (W/ or W/o Void Melee Helm for Claw Spec) Range Attack : 149 + Void (325) Prayer Bonus : 16 Melee Attack/Strength bonus : 16/8 +/- Void Inventory Slots Open : 51 or 50 Pot Mix : 15/16 Super Prayer / 35 Brews ( 32800 Lp ) Max Hits : Diamond (e) : 469 (540) Unicorn Lp : 5328 d)Range Only, Void Range + Pernix Body + Deflector Range Attack : 187 + Void (363) Prayer Bonus : 10 Melee Attack/Strength Bonus : 16/8 Inventory Slots Open : 51 Pot Mix : 14 Super Prayer / 37 Brews ( 29304 Lp ) Max Hits : Diamond (e) : 469 (540) Unicorn Lp : 6408 e)Range Only, Full Pernix + Divine Range Attack : 237 (383) Prayer Bonus : 11 Melee Attack/Strength Bonus : -4/8 Inventory Slots Open : 51 Pot Mix : 19 Super Prayers / 32 Brews ( 32256 Lp ) Max Hits : Diamond (e) : 390 (449) Unicorn Lp : 7488 Conclusion; HARD to say, personal opinion places it between c and d based on accuracy guesstimates being guesstimates. Give up 10% of your longevity for what appears to be ~11% more accuracy seems like a decent trade off. Faster kills means you take less damage per kill anyway. Opinion for now: D is best gear. C is a very close second for those with only 2b and not 4b. 3) Discussion on gear set up; Assumptions made before the below arguments and above calculations, 1)Approx 3100 prayer is required BEFORE prayer bonus to last the average length of a team starting with 11 to 13 players. 2)Every set up is using the best possible equipment (ChaoticCrossbow/Fury/Ava's alerter/RangerBoots/OnyxRing(i)) not listed and taking 3 overloads + teleport + unicorn pouch + unicorn scroll + claws 3)To facilitate extremely rough guesstimates on accuracy we are going to assume two things, that a range level and an equipment bonus both contribute to accuracy equally and that void acts the same toward accuracy as strength (double for range for some reason) 4)We're assuming a conservative 24 minutes will pass from summoning unicorn to teleporting out (36 scrolls). a)Hybrid, Karils + v-helm + (barrows) gloves + divine with c-maul This appears to be the current consensus due to the fact that blood and zaros phase appear to be weak to crush. Its clean, the risk is very low due to karil's being worth minimal and there's no attack malus from the karils. I wish to contest this however. For now I will compare the below options to this. b)Hybrid, Void range + melee helm + divine with c-maul This is a very strong set up. If the crush weakness is true to a real noticeable extent then this may be the best method. My only issue with it is just how intense things get. In order to switch for blood phase you have to click maul then melee helm then attack nex then switch to piety. Then fix everything while running to glacias so you don't get ice prisoned. Seems VERY complicated. Plus a few other points, when melee on blood and zaros you're divine is off, I cannot quantify this, but that reduces the amount of lp I calculated above by a small but noticeable amount. Especially blood phase since you pretty much take at least a few hits every kill that phase. If however you are all about being hard core and going for broke and your skilled with hot keys and hybriding this is definitely the gear for you. c)Range Only, Void Range + Divine Excellent set up as well. May be best, but I give currently a close second. Whats my beef with maul? Well your in void, diamonds hit almost 500 at 5 speed and great accuracy anyway, specing for your 500s (against shield) almost as often as maul with only a moderately higher max hit (even though any hits over 500 will only deal 500 anyway) As any good player knows, speed always wins unless extreme measures were taken to offset it. Like INSANE defense which one must admit nex really doesn't have, or the 300 damage pray switch like tormented demons. I would much rather hit 300s-400s at 5 speed than 350s to 450s at 4 speed. THIS IS ASSUMING YOU ARE EPIC DECKED OUT IN RANGE ATTACK. If you don't have archers (i)/onyx (i), ava's alerter, ranger boots, fury, ccbow, the whole deal, maul's accuracy prolly wins out. d)Range Only, Void Range + Pernix Body + Deflector My favorite for a lot of reasons. Its extremely uncomplicated. When you hit 800 lp, drink a brew. That simple. No switching cept for the initial claws spec which is uncomplicated. Accuracy just seems outta this world based on the numbers, while still having the significant void damage bonus. All things considered you will be killing hundreds upon hundreds of Nex for drops, you don't wanna burn out. I feel this set up is extremely good to balance serious longevity, serious damage, while avoiding the burning out associated for hard core hybrid killing. Also unicorn receives a heal bonus, making this probably second in longevity after the option below. e)Range Only, Full Pernix + Divine Ran the numbers outta curiosity. Depends entirely on how much diminishing returns there is from accuracy. If you hit 98% of the time cause your accuracy in outta this world it may take the cake. I'm not willing to blow the 6-7b on pernix to test it atm. You'd seriously last forever and ever when you factor in unicorn scrolls healing so much. I dont think 20 super prayers cuts it, though. (I'll edit in any additional details later on if we come up with anything to post) For now, this is what we have and what we think. If you think you have ideas on how to change something to be more optimal or wish to challenge something, by all means post it. Discuss. (Because everyone likes putting that here now. :P)

Well yeah, I understand not everyone would expect the same for theirs. I was just giving an example of an offer someone with one would expect for theirs. Also, my friend does keep tabs on a good portion of active Cracker owners, so I'd think he has an idea of value. I'll have to ask him what others expect for theirs if they would want to sell.

Crackers won't even be buyable for a stack of max cash. Friend of mine owning one refuses to sell his unless offered 6b+ worth of value in Torva/Pernix on FreeTrade.

Going to try out sharing an image here, see if I can't make it work... Uploaded with ImageShack.us An old picture of mine, back when I was playing FoG on my noob account.