sum dont have any [bleep] cl00 what YOU want, and dont care if u tell them Oh pl0x, and giving training advice to someone on a forum, without knowing anything about age, weight, condition,... is a good idea? Messing about on your own in a gym on a regular basis is generally a bad idea, unless you know your st00f. teh regular citizen should have a trainer give them advice about a training program, not just adjusted to your needs and desires, but mostly adjusted to your abilities. If said trainer doesn't take it seriously, he's doing a bad job and you should change trainer/gym. i havent given any advice on their training on this thread yet, of coursei would ask about their diet and stuff... "messing about on ur own in a gym" who said im messing around, i have knowledge on what to train and how to train it.