Outsanity

People have tried to tell me that my experience doesn't equal up to knowledge of a subject and that is just a really ignorant thing to say. If you just get out of law school and someone hires you onto their firm, chances are you won't be stupid, but you won't have as much experience in the field than some of the oldest members of that firm will. They know more about how things will run and have more life experiences to draw upon than you do. You will gain that in time. Some people gain experience in life faster than others. Some don't see the same things others do. Some people get a chance to see the whole picture, or more of it than others, and base their opinions on what they've seen. Point is, is I feel I've seen more of this game than a lot of players. Not all, but most. (We're talking about millions of people that have created accounts) I partake in skilling, minigames, grinding, combat, pvp community events and all the new updates. I've read the rs manual and all the fansites many times over and have retained an immense amount of knowledge on the game. I have spent hours and hours of time (and I really mean hundreds) doing different things in game that force me to be around people of all kinds. I also have had about 5 different homeworlds in my time and that gives me some more coverage. I've encountered people of all kinds and players of all levels and experience. I'm always at a new update the day of its release and will finish or accomplish the reward that same day if possible. Believe it or not, I've never asked another player for help on this game regarding knowledge or exploration. If I can't find something, I look it up in the manual. If I need to know an exact exp amount, I do the same. What my point was, is that there are easy ways of becoming knowledgable about this game. Most people now though won't do that. They will seek help from high leveled players because usually we "know more." This is my concern. When I was low level I never needed help. I was independent and that made the game fun. Figuring out something on your own instead of relying on other people gives you a sense of pride, and once you get the hang of it, you become better at figuring things out faster. Runescape in the grand scheme of things is one of the easiest games out there. It's not like you need to be really intelligent to play. This is why I'm like, "Really? You need me to help you with something you could have already figured out in the time it took to ask me?" It's like children that go into their room to look for something and only glance around the room. They come back to you saying they can't find it and need your help. You go in the room and find it in 5 seconds simply by lifting up some clothes or looking in a drawer. The kid didn't do ANY work to try to figure it out on their own. They are still a child because they lack basic skills or desires to find things on their own, and often I feel that's what I have to deal with when I play RS. Children. You can find this harsh or bias or rudely opinionated, but this topic was opened up to discuss our opinions on people and those who don't want to explore, and that is what I am doing. Giving my opinion and backing it up with personal experience. I could be someone who comes and says "People are lazy and stupid," and not put reasoning behind it. Be glad I'm not. And to end all of my discussion (because really this topic is just wasting my time now) I will say that I am allowed to care as strongly or as weakly about something as I like. It's my body and mind and they are my opinions. If you think I'm making too large a deal out of it, then just don't even bother responding, knowing that I will retort with as much evidence and debate as I can.

Just as a small update, I got the Agile Legs today and am now working on the Agile Top with the help of many, many summer pies. I stopped tonight with 42 successfull laps done. I have to work for 9 hours tomorrow so probably won't realistically get the top tomorrow, but soon, hopefully. I also am going to sleep with only 60k to 86 Agility, which drives me nuts, but eh...I need my sleep. ;) Oh, and I did a slayer task for fun the other day to see how much my titan owned. You decide:

[hide=Muck] Hoards of people are always trying out new content on the day of release, newbs and veterans alike. Most of them are gone pretty quickly. And then hoards x10 more wait until days later to check out the updates and thencan't just figure them out themselves or read the news page. Don't act like I'm lying here. You know the people who ask for information greatly outweighs the people who go and find the information themselves. First, no, I don't know that. I've never experienced this phenomenon you speak of. As a Wikipedian protester might put it: Second, what exactly is your point here? That people who dive blindly into new content are somehow superior to people who read up on it first? That's quite a claim, sir. [/hide] Yeah, it is quite a claim, and I can back it up with more than four years of playing experience. In my experiences, (and let's face it, I have a well rounded character and have experienced quite a bit of all aspects and areas of the game) I meet more people who would rather ask someone else how to do something than go figure it out themselves. Even high levels are like this now-a-days, and that's what makes me sick. My friends list is near full from a lot of people I meet and full of old friends. Out of maybe the 60 people on it, I would say a good 45 of those have all at some point asked me a question that would have taken them literally 10 seconds to figure out. (Usually by opening up a skill guide or checking the ge.) It's annoying is what it is. And I'd like you to know that the people you say that "dive in" typically are the same few dozen people on each world. Every updates I always see the same people there. All the regulars. And if the people who dove in first and REALLY found the potential of updates didn't write guides and make videos, the people who look up guides would have no clue what to do unless they went to go look for themselves. It's called being self-sufficient. If you don't learn how to ween yourself off the bottle, you're just going to stay dependent on it. If you go out and do things yourself you get them done faster and more successfully. We're not just talking about runescape here, we're talking about life. If everyone in the entire world sat around saying, "Eh, I'll wait until they've found the cure for cancer instead of trying myself," then we wouldn't have scientists and doctors trying to save the world from it right now. Now, fogive me for the rotten metaphore, seeing as how people in runescape will still survive without knowledge from other players, but people with cancer won't without a cure for it. My apologies for that, but it's the best I could come up with. And in the end this is only my opinion and my first hand experience of the players in the game. If you have met a different crowd of people then cheers to you, but it seems to me that you only hang around with these "self-sufficient" players, so that's all you really know. I've been around thousands and thousands of players of both kinds, and I see far more of the lazy, "I want it all and I want it all fast and with little hard work," types of people. It just sounds to me like you want to be optimistic for the sake of being optimistic, not really because the situation calls for it. We're talking about runescape, not a crowd of people fighting for civil rights or equality among men.

I don't know if you've noticed, but merchant clans have actually been putting some life into the economy. It was happening before the trade limits and ge. People would buy out as many phats as possible and let people know how many they had, and word got out how many were left in the economy and the price raised. Same thing really, except the ge is like a "smart tool." It TELLS you when an item isn't circulating as much in the economy by raising the price of that item. If more people demand it than supply it, then that's what happens. My main point is this: We suffered from the ge restrictions and the trade limit, and now you are suggesting that we suffer MORE to end merchant clans, when really merchant clans are helping the economy by getting the flow going, so to speak. Yes, they hurt people who want or need those items in the process, but then later when they dump them the items will be as low as ever and in great quantity, and they will have made their profits. I think there is a way to solve some problems, and it is most definitely not this. I been a part of this economy for almost 5 years now, and I can tell you that finally, at present, it is more healthy now that it has been in the last year BY FAR, and actually is better than it was 2 years ago because of the convenience of the ge. So let it be. Your one "little solution" will just upset people more and do more harm than good to the economy.

This was my reaction: "I can't do the barbarian extended course? ...............AWESOME! Now I have a reason to train agility!" And so it begins. Point is, if Jagex is SMART, they will release more updates like this. Far too often they release updates the general public can do without having to train, and then they are done and lose their popularity. With this, it will take most people quite a long time time get an Agile Top and Legs, so it gives them something to work towards, and when they finally get it, they will feel great. This was really THE best update of the year so far. I've been sick of Jagex's crap updates that I could have done with my levels from 3 years ago. Give ME something to work for. Don't forget your veteran players simply because there are more low players. How fair is that?

Hoards of people are always trying out new content on the day of release, newbs and veterans alike. Most of them are gone pretty quickly. And then hoards x10 more wait until days later to check out the updates and thencan't just figure them out themselves or read the news page. Don't act like I'm lying here. You know the people who ask for information greatly outweighs the people who go and find the information themselves.

One of the most annoying things to me: What does (such and such) familiar do? How much exp does cutting a (type) log get you? How do you make easy money? What level do I need for __________? JUST SHUT THE HELL UP! God...I can't stand people that do this. Lazy people who can't take a few seconds to figure out the answers to some of the most basic, easy questions of all time. I have friends all the time ask me for opinions on the best exp or what levels they will need for something, and I'm like, "Wow...just figure it out, you lazy *bleep*." I agree with you. People are lazy. They just want answers, but not to have to work for them. I bet you my entire account that about 90% of questers or more use guides to complete quests. No one wants to work for their rewards anymore. They just want to cut right to the point, which, in my opinion, makes them lazy and sets them apart from the real elitists of runescape. The most successful people in this game are the ones that dive headfirst into new updates and take risks and figure everything out themselves, and most often, BEFORE everyone else.

I'll say this: From 1 to 99 Slayer I have made over 300M gp off slayer drops. This includes slayer specific drops I got OFF task. Basically, you get level 80+ slayer and you'll start making nice cash. 83+ and evern better, and at 85 Slayer you'll be able to milk it for all it's worth by camping at abyssals. I didn't camp, though. I camped at dark beasts when bows were 3.7m and got myself 12 of them to pay for 99 prayer. Now, I'd camp at abyssals and the cash will never be as good as those dark bows used to be. Anyway, just train it. You'll see the cash. Just don't piety or cannon on tasks and you can make crazy amounts of dough all the way to 99.

Norbert is a big boy now. :)

Norbert is now as big as he will get. :) I also made 863k Gp off fishing while waiting for Norbert to grow. 8-)

Or we could just be limping our wrists.

I do actually plan that. Just not till after 99 ranged probably.

14th Black Dragon killed. 8-)

This.

Ladies and gents, I present to you my eleventh Level 99: Summoning! And now here are all my 12 Achievement Capes (11 99s and Quest Cape) all in one place! How glorious! Next goal is to get a Baby Black Dragon. After that, I am debating whether I want 99 Hunter through Chins and THEN use the chins for 99 ranged, or if I should get the ranged level first and THEN hunter. We'll see what happens with that!

Thanks! A good friend of mine made it for me a long time back. I love it too. :) Oh, and I only need 275 more crimsons for 99 Summoning! Hoorah! We're looking at about another 3-4 hours of work.

Congrats on 99 Red Bull.

259,555 experience, or 615 Crimson Charms, until 99 Summoning! Tomorrow should be the day! :D

Dude, you're an elite Runescape player -- if you're worried about wasting your life, I'm afraid that ship already has sailed! Touche. Let me rephrase to say, "wastes my life without my consent." ;)

Tip.It is turning into the RSOF because of stupid threads like this. Seriously. Not many of us find this funny. It's just kind of...well, I don't know what it is, but it wastes my life when you lure me into your pointless threads.

Um. Okay. So can you tell me then how =? Because they are totally obviously the same thing. It's an angel, that represents Saradomin, the god. :wall: I agree with Zokot. It looks like a fork to me more than it does a statue of an angel. Oh, and there's no reason for it to be hanging off the note. That's just weird.

You're right. You'll find no mocking from me. The only issue I have is with the people who get 99s in easy skills and then demand that people respect their 99s. Don't lie. There's just as many of those people as there are the mockers.

I got mine in about half that time. Fletching does not take 90 hours or even around that time if you don't waste time. Stringing yew longbows is about 150k xp/hr, no? So about 90 hours to 99. If you're using a faster method, you need to add the time it takes to earn the money to pay for the extra speed. Consider that a typical 'scaper probably has an income of about 200k gp/hr, give or take. No you don't, because that money was earned while training another skill. I reached 99 fletching when less than 13,000 people had it, alched all the magic long bows I made, and made a pretty good profit. Its quite easy to get 400k gp/hr at green dragons with average gear, super pots, and a BoB. All you need is enough money to buy a few hundred logs and string at a time, fletch them, sell them, repeat. If you don't count the money you need, then skills like prayer are going to be even faster than fletching. Yeah, and about 100x more expensive to train. I got 99 Fletching when you actually made profit off magic longbow fletching, therefor I finished mine in 45 hours or less and made a little cash off the skill. Since then it has no use because the fletch-x has turned it into another workless, grind skill. It was a grind skill from the start, but you had to click a LOT to get it. Now, you click a few times per inventory instead of 30 times per inventory. It's easy now. An easy, easy EASY 99. Cooking is the same. Look, ultimately you can just go look on the high scores. A lot of newer players in this game want things the easy way because Jagex seems to be making things easier all the damn time. They don't know what it's like to actually grind a skill anymore. Even cooking and fletching used to be harder. Now they are a total joke. Achieveable in just a few days with about 20x less the clicking than they used to require. People want things easily, so if they want a skillcape, they take the easy route to get one. It's that damn simple. There are so many damn people with 99 cooking and fletching that if I look someone up and they DON'T have the skills, I am honestly surprised. Now THAT is the truth. Have your opinion based on that, not based on your "feelings." No one cares about how it makes you feel to earn a cape, we care about the facts. What 99s are the easiest and fastest and least expensive, and what are the most common. THOSE are the capes that won't catch someone's eye as opposed to a cape that takes 500+ hours to achieve. Ultimately, who cares what someone thinks about your cape? If you didn't get it to earn respect then why do you care so much when people won't respect you for having it? If you only got it for the joy in getting a 99, then who cares what people say when you wear the cape with pride? If it's really bothering you that I can sit here and tell you that your cape is not nearly as impressive most of the others, then that really just shows that you only got the cape to try to woo us over. Well it's not working. And as a disclaimer I'll say this: I got 99 cooking and fletching first because I knew they were the easiest 99s. I got cooking before capes even existed. I then got theiving because the cape is one of the best looking in my opinion. I then got 99 melee stats and prayer because I wanted to max my combat. Then I got 99 slayer because, quite frankly, it's the best looking cape and one of the hardest to obtain (which challenged me), and then 99 magic because it's a combat skill. I'm now leveling summoning to 99 (need about 1400 more charms) and then ranged (which I hate, but will complete my combat stats.) Notice I train my skills because I have different uses for them, but I am not in denial about which ones were hard and which were easy. If I wore my cooking cape and someone came up and called it a nooby achievement cape, I would light-heartedly agree and move on with my life. I've got better things to do while in game, like, for example, get more 99s.

And a lot of us have very busy "real lives," but have been playing runescape long enough to find time to squeeze in an hour or two of play time here and there, which add up. I'll admit, I spent a ridiculous amount of time playing rs in high school, but come on, kids, let's face it. No matter what you do in high school, no one really has a "life." You're still in high school. Once your own your own, doing what you might have trained or gone to college for, THEN you can be considered on your own and have your own life. Until then you've ultimately got the cushion of your parents and the actual time to waste on the game. And those of you who say you've got amazing social lives and go out and party every night I could just call the stereotypical frat guy who does nothing but party the first 20-some years of his life away. It's a double-edged sword here, folks. That being said, I have 8 hour long rehearsals most days and once those rehearsals are up I am called in for performances, and those calls are usually 1-2 hours before. So when I'm not in the rehearsal period of my jobs, I have more time to do whatever I want. Sue me if that happens to be Runescape. It's something I enjoy and I like to achieve goals on it. I still have a social life, but I realize it's nice to have something that's "just for you," once in a while. A lot of you are so quick to say "A 99 is a 99. They're all impressive!" which is only partially true. In a perfect world we could say that each cape deserves equal respect because they're all ultimately a 99. But one 99 does not equal another 99, not only in time spent to achieve it, but also in usefulness. 99 Runecrafting takes almost 10 times longer to train than Fletching. At the end of 99 Runecrafting, you can maximise the amount of air runes you can make (may not seem important but might be if you ever get stuck on f2p) and you'll probably walk out of it with over 300M profit. Fletching...what do you get? If you bought it (which, let's face it, we almost all do) then you probably lost cash AND now have a skill that ultimately isn't going to help you out and/or you won't use again for a long time. Out of the now almost 11 99s I have, I haven't used Fletching or Cooking in almost a year or two. Especially fletching. Thieving comes in at a close third because while I barely use it, it seems to come up in quests and is quite handy at Stealing Creation. All of my other 99s are Combat based, so you pretty much use those regularly and they can be called useful. Bottom line is there are two arguments going on here: The people who defend "noob" (and I'm not using the word, just quoting) capes, who's only real argument is that an achievement is an achievement and people are no-lifers who have other other capes. And the people who say the "noob capes" aren't special because of the fact that most you can get in just a few simple days with little concentration and minimal drive. My argument is a third. You're both right and wrong. They're all achievements, yes, but some are BETTER than others. You can't say creating the cure for cancer and creating the perfect meat sauce are the same achievement. One is clearly better and/or more important and helpful. All capes take concentration and drive, just in different amounts and that is where the respect issue comes in. Sorry, but I'm not impressed if I see a guy come walking by in his untrimmed cooking cape. He's still just a below average player in my book. I got mine in about half that time. Fletching does not take 90 hours or even around that time if you don't waste time.

Only 1,850 more Crimson Charms left to go. It's looking like I will probably have 99 in about 3 days. 4 at most.