DarkDude

I think it's 1/200, it seems right to me although you may get one after 1, or may go over 1000 without one.

There's really 3 ways of getting Dragon chain which people think are the best. 1) Dust Devils 2) Soloing the KQ 3) Double teaming the KQ I'm going to compare the 3 methods and find which IMO is the best. I'm going to assume the drop rates for Dragon Chain are 1/12500 off dust devils and 1/200 off KQ. Dust Devils Vs Soloing the KQ Soloing the KQ costs aproximatly 75k PER queen, an aful lot, each queen takes: 4 Minutes of walks from Shanty, 2 Minutes of Walking TO Shanty from tele spots, and about 5 minutes actualy killing it (That's assuming you kill 2 per trip) That's a total of 11 Minutes PER queen. In that time I can kill roughly 25 Dust Devils. (Bit less than 30 seconds per) so That's 25 Dust Devils PER kalphite queen, that means if I kill 200 Kalphite Queens to get a chain, that'll be roughly 5000 Dust Devils, which means that I'll get 5 chains for 2 Chains off Dust devils. That's 1000 Kalphite Queens, Which will cost a staggering 75M for 110M, 35M Profit. Dust Devils cost LESS than 50gp per using bones to peaches, So killing the 25K dust devils will cost only 12.5M for 44M profit of 32.5M, 2.5M less than that off KQs. But in that time You'll have gotten a hell of a lot more Combat XP off Dusties. IMO this is pretty close, and It'd come down to what other drops, You'd get far more drops off dusties thus they'd have a high total but the KQ can drop d2hs, and at 4M a pop it's not bad. Dust Devils Vs. Soloing the KQ = Even, Maybe soloing is better. Soloing the KQ Vs. Teaming the KQ (With 2 people) Teaming the KQ with 2 people, will cost LESS than half that of that soloing it. So about 25k per trip. And it takes LESS than half as long per KQ (2 people, more damage quicker and only in one trip) so Basicly for every 5 Chains you get while teaming you'll only get 2 solo. At 25k per, You'll spend aprox 5M per chain, and 25M for 110M/2 = 55M, 30M profit. And while Soloing at 75k per, You'll spend 30M on getting just 2 chains for 44M, that's ONLY 14M profit, less than half that while teaming. Soloing Vs Teaming - Teaming wins, by a wide margain. Overall - Teaming > Solo > Dusties Aprox 12.5 > 5 > 2 Chains 75M > 35M > 32.5M in Profit, Anyway, I made this because I was having a discussion with my friend about which is a better way of getting it. Of course these calculation are assuming you're gaurneteed a chain every 200 or 12000, but that's really the best way to compare it and it's not taking into account any other drops or XP.

*looks at tiles* Yeah, plenty of uses. Could think of a few more items aswell if you really wanted me to.

Killing pkers often annoys them.

Yeah it sucks :( my names now MuH-KÃÆÃâÃâ¹ÃâoÃÆÃâÃâ¹Ãâo :(...... it now looks like the Danish letter ÃÆÃâÃâ¹Ãâ Yep, they should have made the 0 (o) Big and Round O Would have been great then.

Ouch, I feel sorry for people with 0s in there name before, they look rubbish (I don't mean OO0OO0OO0000O names)

Technically it was a Magenta Party hat...

The Nicest thing someone did for me (That weren't my friend) was I was pking and was lagging, they managed to kill me and when I got to bank I asked him if I could buy my stuff back, he sold it back to me cheaply because he knew I was lagging and it was unfair how I died. I've done some kind things for people aswell, Found a glory in the abyss (With other stuff) and went to edge and soemone asked "who got my glory in the abyss" I gave it back, didn't even get a thank you :( There was a level 70 I think in Thzaar caves wearing mith, asked him if he wanted better armour and gave him a rune set. There was a low level in lumbridge, and asked me for help, I took him to the bank and gave him 100k and some spare stuff :)

RoW seemed to lower my chances of getting barrows items, I had like 7 rares from 700 trips with RoW and had like 4 in 100 trips with RoL :P

You're assuming everyone uses the guide, just because a guide says to do something doesn't mean everyone does, I rarely use guides and I believe Monster/Mini game guides are stupid telling you what to bring, it's going to be different for everyone depending on their stats and many people like to use their own style/tactics at doing things. Sorry for the double post. Post people do though... As nearly all barrowers know ROW is disabled at the chest. I don't understand what postmen have to do with this :P

You're assuming everyone uses the guide, just because a guide says to do something doesn't mean everyone does, I rarely use guides and I believe Monster/Mini game guides are stupid telling you what to bring, it's going to be different for everyone depending on their stats and many people like to use their own style/tactics at doing things. Sorry for the double post.

Yep, I use ROL at barrows since the power went off JUST as I opened Dharoks coffin, Lost 5M in stuff.

1)Fletching: 75 2)Runecrafting: 49 3)Thieving: 71 4)Agility: 63 5)Slayer: 80 6)Herblaw: 56 7)Farming: 49 think they're right anyway :P And this topic just reminded me I need to do Tears of guthix this week :)

Why does someone make a topic whenever there is a system update? This is getting like the recent update forum on the offical forums :\

As I've said before, that list is NOT accurate. The Order of those names, accurate, but it's missing LOADS of characters. That list is from the Carpentry Highscores, and you had to have logged in when they'd put the highscores in then you'd be added to the list. So it's in chronological order of when the accounts were made, but only the ones which logged in after they put the highscore thing there.

1. Skill Requirement Servers: 1k skill Total+, 100 Combat+ and 1500 ST+ 2. Give range decent stuff for pking... 3. More high level updates.

But it's been said various times before that people couldn't get higher than a certain number, this number is usauly the same as their quest points, I'll test it on my nub when I do the quest. It always is 60 xp per tear, always has been.

Quest Points do not effect how long you spend in the cave, but the max amount of tears you can get.

I've used 120k Chaos on Steels/Irons In that time I had 5 skirts, all off steels. NONE off irons.

The Sinclair Mansion thing was used for making Swamp Paste in RSC for the Trawler, so yeah, It's 3-4 years old :P

Read my post in your topic.

Mod Ash Jagex Mod 22 Feb 2006 15:06 Following this morning's bugfix update, there has been a problem with routefinding when you clicked on big bits of scenery, such as things in agility training areas. We're rebooting the servers to fix this now. Again, sorry about the inconvenience. Guess it was that bug.

Just spoke to a Mod Ingame, Apparently It's not a "glitch" just a limitation. When you get attacked, only the x previous attackers get recognised, this number is probably very small (I'm guessing 5) This would explain why this "glitch" occurs. Imo this is easy to change, I guess they store the previous attackers in an array. (Previousattackers(x)) where x is the number that is stored, just change x to something else, simple really.

I've killed like 2.5k Zombies, 200 skeletons, 300 lessers, 300 goblins, 100 hobgoblins so far without one, a few hill giants and imps aswell. Guess I'll go kill some gouls and try and get it. I only count 8 there, what's the 9th?

Slightly Different to what I said, but the same basis. Random number generated from 0-100 are all given an item assosiated with them, instead of the rare items been in this, there is a section called "rare" which will then Generate another number 0-100 and you get the "rare" item. Basicly the same as what I said, except that the rare items are in a totally different section. No, we are saying the same thing. The random seed 1-100 (first roll/wheel) has one spot on it with a rare drop. If you get the rare section, you move to the second roll/wheel 1-100, which chooses whether you get a sapphire or a dragon item. Yeah, I said we were saying the same thing I just posted how I thought it worked earlier in the topic and didn't know there was a "rare" real :P