If it was all heroic I could see that, otherwise that's [developmentally delayed]ed. How much health do you have unbuffed? Or just post an armory link. I tanked pit of saron heroic today with my awesome non-def cap and 27k unbuffed health lmao. It took forever but we finally did it. http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmane&cn=Milfadin Seeing as the only gear I need from ICC10 is the neck off Marrowgar (God damn, I've never seen this thing drop, can someone confirm it actually exists?!?!?) and the bracers off Deathwhisper (same as the neck). And possibly the weapon off LK, that's it. There's no decent tanking weapons (or any at all, except one crappy gimmicky one iirc) until LK in 25 man, Shield is off Blood Queen, Bracers off Marrowgar, Helm + Legs can be upgraded via token, although I'm saving up for the crafted legs. Not sure about the chest or shoulders. I imagine the non-tier frost chest would be a huge upgrade. Anyway the point is There's very very few upgrades I actually need from ICC25 and ICC10, yet apparently that's not good enough for ICC25? They were only aiming for 8 bosses too and doing Gunship on HC (which I've already done). Just seemed insane to me. And the best part? The guy advertising the group had a couple of PvP items lol.